The Establishments war on Donald Trump
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Title: National Review Pens Letter to Conservatives: Don’t Vote for Trump
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Breitbart
URL Source: http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/01/21/national-review/
Published: Jan 22, 2016
Author: Michelle Fields
Post Date: 2016-01-22 07:49:27 by cranky
Keywords: None
Views: 4622
Comments: 41
The new issue of the long-established conservative magazine is headlined “Against Trump” and includes essays from conservative pundits and writers explaining their opposition to Trump’s candidacy. But the overall theme is very clear: “Trump is a philosophically unmoored political opportunist who would trash the broad conservative ideological consensus within the GOP in favor of a free-floating populism with strong-man overtones,” says the editorial that leads the issue. The authors argue that Trump isn’t consistent in his views: Trump’s political opinions have wobbled all over the lot. The real-estate mogul and reality-TV star has supported abortion, gun control, single-payer health care à la Canada, and punitive taxes on the wealthy. (He and Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) have shared more than funky outer-borough accents.) Since declaring his candidacy he has taken a more conservative line, yet there are great gaping holes in it. The editorial also goes after his immigration plan for not being practical. As for illegal immigration, Trump pledges to deport the 11 million illegals here in the United States, a herculean administrative and logistical task beyond the capacity of the federal government. Trump piles on the absurdity by saying he would re-import many of the illegal immigrants once they had been deported, which makes his policy a poorly disguised amnesty (and a version of a similarly idiotic idea that appeared in one of Washington’s periodic ‘comprehensive immigration’ reforms). This plan wouldn’t survive its first contact with reality. They also took aim at his business record: Trump’s primary work long ago became less about building anything than about branding himself and tending to his celebrity through a variety of entertainment ventures, from WWE to his reality-TV show, The Apprentice. His business record reflects the often dubious norms of the milieu: using eminent domain to condemn the property of others; buying the good graces of politicians—including many Democrats—with donations. The editorial finishes by saying that “Donald Trump is a menace to American conservatism who would take the work of generations and trample it underfoot in behalf of a populism as heedless and crude as the Donald himself.” The online issue is here. 
National Review is publishing a special edition of the magazine that argues against Republican frontrunner Donald Trump, saying he is “not deserving of conservative support in the caucuses and primaries.”
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#1. To: cranky (#0)
The editorial also goes after his immigration plan for not being practical. The editorial finishes by saying that “Donald Trump is a menace to American conservatism As opposed to the authors, who have been consistently in favor of crony capitalism since the day they were weaned. As opposed to the conservative immigration plan of simply replacing the American population with Mexicans. As opposed to the authors' form of conservatism, which is simply a menace to America, period.
If someone who wants a bigger, more intrusive Federal government and/or favors America having only three borders can be labelled a 'conservative' or have 'conservative' values, the word no longer has any meaning. As for Trump, the msm keeps reminding me Trump is a 'populist' not a Republicrat as though that somehow disqualifies him from running for office.
A populist spouting a conservative agenda. Something wrong with that? I thought the GOP wanted to expand their base. Maybe the National Review prefers the true-blue, hard-core, conservative-on-every-issue who, once in office, turns his back on the voters and joins the establishment. They're afraid of Trump. They know he's going to do what he says and that scares the living shit out of them.
Actually, imho, NR is more of a big government, crony capitalist, open borders, single-payer healthcare, nwo supporting kind of 'conservative' organ.
This makes them conservative? If so, then I'm glad Trump isn't a conservative as defined by them.
I don't think he's conservative as defined by Will or Krauthammer, either and both of them seem to think they are allowed to define who or what is or isn't conservative.
Exactly. Rather than labels (which no one can agree on), simply judge Trump by what he's saying. Another thing to think about. What have these "true conservatives" done for us while in office? I mean, abortion is still legal. Illegals are still flooding the country. Taxes are still high. Spending is out of control. It's not as though everything is peachy-keen and Trump might ruin it because he's not the right kind of conservative.
I like hearing what he's saying. I just know how much of it he believes. I can still remember Stephi saying about Bubba: "The President will keep the promises he meant to keep."
We're not electing a dictator. We're supposed to be electing someone to lead, someone with an agenda, someone with a plan. My concern is that, unlike the private sector, Trump can't simply order that something be done and it's done. He has to work with Congress. Now, that can be either bad or good. Bad if he can't sway them. Good if he goes off track then Congress can stop him.
Obama commands by Executive Orders. So did other Presidents. Trump is not a "strict originalist constitutionalist". He is a practical results-oriented man. He will establish his policies by Executive Orders, defend them, and seek Congress to make those orders permanent through legislation. Delay has been the game both parties play when one or the other is on top. Trump is not going to let them play that game. He will issue the Executive Orders, get the Executive Departments doing what needs to be done, and that will establish a constituency for those things which he will then use to bring Congress into line.
He will establish his policies by Executive Orders, defend them, and seek Congress to make those orders permanent through legislation all the more reason to oppose his expansive view of the executive branch. National Review's editorial states "Trump is a philosophically unmoored political opportunist who would trash the broad conservative ideological consensus within the GOP in favor of a free-floating populism with strong- man overtones,”. You made their case for them .
Oppose away. It makes it easier to plow you under without remorse once we win. You will not compromise with us. So when we win, we crush you. Nice, simple, bright lines. I like it better that way. You're the enemy, self-declared. And I'm your enemy. So we're each trying to rip out the throat of the other's side. There can be only one winner. I lose, you crush my side without any mercy. Your contempt is clear. When I started, I wanted to get along with everybody - that neighborly Midwestern thing. But, since some of the neighbors have proclaimed their inveterate hostility, that's ok. It's clarifying. It's more fun to have real enemies, because then when you win, you know who you won against, and you know who to go crush. It's a death cage match between the middle and the elite. If the middle win, the elite may get out of the cage with their lives, but not with their property. It's like Kelo.
don't worry . The establishment is climbing on the Trump bandwagon They recognize one of their own. Bob Dole said Trump "got the right personality and he’s kind of a deal-maker,” Orin Hatch said "I've come around a little bit on Trump,". Trump said "I think they are warming up. I want to be honest, I have received so many phone calls from people that you would call establishment, from people — generally speaking ... conservatives, Republicans — that want to come onto our team..."You know what? There's a point at which: Let's get to be a little establishment. " Congrats ! You are now supporting the GOPe candidate !! What you call the "middle" got suckered in 8 years ago by a cheap slogan "hope and change" . Now they are being suckered again by "Make America Great Again" .
You're not even going to give Trump a chance? Obama was given 8 years by his supporters, but you won't even elect Trump? Who WILL you vote for and why do you think they're not suckering you?
I said on another thread that if Trump wins the nomination I would vote for him over any of the current or if Evita gets locked up ,any of the prospective Dem candidates. But right now ,before a caucus or primary has been held ,I do not support his candidacy .
#37. To: tomder55 (#34)
Ah! I know your type. You're the one who puts the winner's bumper sticker on their car after the election, making yourself look like a winner. Sorry. We don't need your support when it's over.
Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestThe authors argue that Trump isn’t consistent in his views
#3. To: Vicomte13 (#1)
As opposed to the authors' form of conservatism, which is simply a menace to America, period.
#6. To: cranky (#3)
"As for Trump, the msm keeps reminding me Trump is a 'populist'
#7. To: misterwhite (#6)
Maybe the National Review prefers the true-blue, hard-core, conservative-on-every-issue who, once in office, turns his back on the voters and joins the establishment.
#10. To: cranky (#7)
" ... NR is more of a big government, crony capitalist, open borders, single-payer healthcare, nwo supporting kind of 'conservative' organ."
#13. To: misterwhite (#10)
If so, then I'm glad Trump isn't a conservative as defined by them.
#15. To: cranky (#13)
"I don't think he's conservative as defined by Will or Krauthammer, either and both of them seem to think they are allowed to define who or what is or isn't conservative."
#18. To: misterwhite (#15)
simply judge Trump by what he's saying.
#19. To: cranky (#18)
"I just know how much of it he believes."
#24. To: misterwhite (#19)
Trump can't simply order that something be done and it's done. He has to work with Congress.
#28. To: Vicomte13 (#24)
(Edited)
Trump is not a "strict originalist constitutionalist". He is a practical results-oriented man.
#31. To: tomder55 (#28)
all the more reason to oppose his expansive view of the executive branch.
#32. To: Vicomte13 (#31)
#33. To: tomder55 (#32)
"Now they are being suckered again by "Make America Great Again" .
#34. To: misterwhite (#33)
Replies to Comment # 34. "But right now ,before a caucus or primary has been held ,I do not support his candidacy."
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