The Establishments war on Donald Trump
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Title: National Review Pens Letter to Conservatives: Don’t Vote for Trump
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URL Source: http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/01/21/national-review/
Published: Jan 22, 2016
Author: Michelle Fields
Post Date: 2016-01-22 07:49:27 by cranky
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Views: 4642
Comments: 41
The new issue of the long-established conservative magazine is headlined “Against Trump” and includes essays from conservative pundits and writers explaining their opposition to Trump’s candidacy. But the overall theme is very clear: “Trump is a philosophically unmoored political opportunist who would trash the broad conservative ideological consensus within the GOP in favor of a free-floating populism with strong-man overtones,” says the editorial that leads the issue. The authors argue that Trump isn’t consistent in his views: Trump’s political opinions have wobbled all over the lot. The real-estate mogul and reality-TV star has supported abortion, gun control, single-payer health care à la Canada, and punitive taxes on the wealthy. (He and Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) have shared more than funky outer-borough accents.) Since declaring his candidacy he has taken a more conservative line, yet there are great gaping holes in it. The editorial also goes after his immigration plan for not being practical. As for illegal immigration, Trump pledges to deport the 11 million illegals here in the United States, a herculean administrative and logistical task beyond the capacity of the federal government. Trump piles on the absurdity by saying he would re-import many of the illegal immigrants once they had been deported, which makes his policy a poorly disguised amnesty (and a version of a similarly idiotic idea that appeared in one of Washington’s periodic ‘comprehensive immigration’ reforms). This plan wouldn’t survive its first contact with reality. They also took aim at his business record: Trump’s primary work long ago became less about building anything than about branding himself and tending to his celebrity through a variety of entertainment ventures, from WWE to his reality-TV show, The Apprentice. His business record reflects the often dubious norms of the milieu: using eminent domain to condemn the property of others; buying the good graces of politicians—including many Democrats—with donations. The editorial finishes by saying that “Donald Trump is a menace to American conservatism who would take the work of generations and trample it underfoot in behalf of a populism as heedless and crude as the Donald himself.” The online issue is here. 
National Review is publishing a special edition of the magazine that argues against Republican frontrunner Donald Trump, saying he is “not deserving of conservative support in the caucuses and primaries.”
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#1. To: cranky (#0)
The editorial also goes after his immigration plan for not being practical. The editorial finishes by saying that “Donald Trump is a menace to American conservatism As opposed to the authors, who have been consistently in favor of crony capitalism since the day they were weaned. As opposed to the conservative immigration plan of simply replacing the American population with Mexicans. As opposed to the authors' form of conservatism, which is simply a menace to America, period.
F National Review !!! I bet those same assholes were rabid anti R Reagan also. If Trump wins, then look for them to claim they are " Trump Republicans " I hopetheir subscriptions go to 0 ! Si vis pacem, para bellum Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. There are no Carthaginian terrorists.
If someone who wants a bigger, more intrusive Federal government and/or favors America having only three borders can be labelled a 'conservative' or have 'conservative' values, the word no longer has any meaning. As for Trump, the msm keeps reminding me Trump is a 'populist' not a Republicrat as though that somehow disqualifies him from running for office. There are three kinds of people in the world: those that can add and those that can't
You will NEVER see liberals eating their own. Bad enough we have to put up with all the lying crap fom the MSM, academia, Hollywood, etc., but now we have to read this?? Here's a question -- how did the last two "conservatives" fare in prior Presidential elections? And if Trump isn't a conservative, then what do his position statements make him?
NR became 'Gingrich-Graham-Armey' devotees but still claim to be 'conservatives'. Apparently, they believe they get to define its meaning. There are three kinds of people in the world: those that can add and those that can't
A populist spouting a conservative agenda. Something wrong with that? I thought the GOP wanted to expand their base. Maybe the National Review prefers the true-blue, hard-core, conservative-on-every-issue who, once in office, turns his back on the voters and joins the establishment. They're afraid of Trump. They know he's going to do what he says and that scares the living shit out of them.
Actually, imho, NR is more of a big government, crony capitalist, open borders, single-payer healthcare, nwo supporting kind of 'conservative' organ. There are three kinds of people in the world: those that can add and those that can't
A populist advocate of the economic interests of the middle and working class - as opposed to the interests of the very poor, or the interests of the rich elite. Which is just exactly what we need.
Yes, they are part of the globalist / NWO / CFR Club. As George Carlin used to say, its a big club, and they are in it. We are not. And where where all of these assholes when they should have been closely examining & criticizing the likes of : McStain, Romney, Bush I, Bush II, bitch McConnell, Boner, Ryan, etc, etc, etc? Thats right, they would not make even a peep. They are happy for the US to be sliding into the NWO. They are all on board with the Establishment RR. F em all !!! I think this little temper tantrum of theirs will come back to bite them. I quit listening to glen DH beck & his clown crew a long time ago. I will no longer listen to Dana, Bozell, or the others! I suspect many others will do the same. I hope they all end up in the lake of fire! Si vis pacem, para bellum Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. There are no Carthaginian terrorists.
This makes them conservative? If so, then I'm glad Trump isn't a conservative as defined by them.
They'll deny it, but...
There were two conservatives running in the last two elections? I didn't know that. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
I don't think he's conservative as defined by Will or Krauthammer, either and both of them seem to think they are allowed to define who or what is or isn't conservative. There are three kinds of people in the world: those that can add and those that can't
I was using National Review standards.
Exactly. Rather than labels (which no one can agree on), simply judge Trump by what he's saying. Another thing to think about. What have these "true conservatives" done for us while in office? I mean, abortion is still legal. Illegals are still flooding the country. Taxes are still high. Spending is out of control. It's not as though everything is peachy-keen and Trump might ruin it because he's not the right kind of conservative.
National Review lost its way years ago.
Which is just exactly what we need. The middle class has always been much better at taking care of the truly needy than government and the super rich 'foundations.' A strong middle class means more mom and pop stores and more locals hired and off the opiate of welfare. For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die. But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. (Romans 5:6-8)
I like hearing what he's saying. I just know how much of it he believes. I can still remember Stephi saying about Bubba: "The President will keep the promises he meant to keep." There are three kinds of people in the world: those that can add and those that can't
We're not electing a dictator. We're supposed to be electing someone to lead, someone with an agenda, someone with a plan. My concern is that, unlike the private sector, Trump can't simply order that something be done and it's done. He has to work with Congress. Now, that can be either bad or good. Bad if he can't sway them. Good if he goes off track then Congress can stop him.
All true. I think he will be OK, after all, he has a history of working with planners, architects, bureaucrats, contractors, suppliers, etc, etc. I will take my chances with him, before I will trust any of the others. I think you will agree with that. Si vis pacem, para bellum Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. There are no Carthaginian terrorists.
I'm not certain. But we can hope for the best. He's started a revolution, maybe too late if he backs out. The difference between a politician and a crook is that the politician has greater appearance of propriety.
100%
Trump = Gollum Obama commands by Executive Orders. So did other Presidents. Trump is not a "strict originalist constitutionalist". He is a practical results-oriented man. He will establish his policies by Executive Orders, defend them, and seek Congress to make those orders permanent through legislation. Delay has been the game both parties play when one or the other is on top. Trump is not going to let them play that game. He will issue the Executive Orders, get the Executive Departments doing what needs to be done, and that will establish a constituency for those things which he will then use to bring Congress into line.
I assume the picture on the left is Rand Paul, after he has realized that he will not win.
Si vis pacem, para bellum Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. There are no Carthaginian terrorists.
As opposed to the conservative immigration plan of simply replacing the American population with Mexicans. As opposed to the authors' form of conservatism, which is simply a menace to America, period. You nailed them. "A silly idea is current that good people do not know what temptation means. This is an obvious lie. Only those who try to resist temptation know how strong it is... A man who gives in to temptation after five minutes simply does not know what it would have been like an hour later. That is why bad people, in one sense, know very little about badness. They have lived a sheltered life by always giving in.” ― C.S. Lewis, Mere Christianity
He will establish his policies by Executive Orders, defend them, and seek Congress to make those orders permanent through legislation all the more reason to oppose his expansive view of the executive branch. National Review's editorial states "Trump is a philosophically unmoored political opportunist who would trash the broad conservative ideological consensus within the GOP in favor of a free-floating populism with strong- man overtones,”. You made their case for them . Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
True enough. Early on, they thought he was a lightweight, might not be electable. I would say they didn't think much of Reagan and were more comfortable with Bush and other old Establishment type Republicans. Later, they did endorse Reagan and were huge fans of his ever since. It's fair to say they were never opposed to Reagan under Buckley the way the current NR crew is toward Trump. Buckley never produced a poison-pen issue of NR to try to stop Reagan. You really can't compare Reagan, a governor of CA and the GOP's first big conservative prez, and Trump.
No, and I am not trying to make that comparison. I am talking about the GOPe's actions. " I would say they didn't think much of Reagan and were more comfortable with Bush and other old Establishment type Republicans. Later, they did endorse Reagan and were huge fans of his ever since. " They only came over to "support" Reagan AFTER he won big. Assholes all ! Si vis pacem, para bellum Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. There are no Carthaginian terrorists.
Oppose away. It makes it easier to plow you under without remorse once we win. You will not compromise with us. So when we win, we crush you. Nice, simple, bright lines. I like it better that way. You're the enemy, self-declared. And I'm your enemy. So we're each trying to rip out the throat of the other's side. There can be only one winner. I lose, you crush my side without any mercy. Your contempt is clear. When I started, I wanted to get along with everybody - that neighborly Midwestern thing. But, since some of the neighbors have proclaimed their inveterate hostility, that's ok. It's clarifying. It's more fun to have real enemies, because then when you win, you know who you won against, and you know who to go crush. It's a death cage match between the middle and the elite. If the middle win, the elite may get out of the cage with their lives, but not with their property. It's like Kelo.
don't worry . The establishment is climbing on the Trump bandwagon They recognize one of their own. Bob Dole said Trump "got the right personality and he’s kind of a deal-maker,” Orin Hatch said "I've come around a little bit on Trump,". Trump said "I think they are warming up. I want to be honest, I have received so many phone calls from people that you would call establishment, from people — generally speaking ... conservatives, Republicans — that want to come onto our team..."You know what? There's a point at which: Let's get to be a little establishment. " Congrats ! You are now supporting the GOPe candidate !! What you call the "middle" got suckered in 8 years ago by a cheap slogan "hope and change" . Now they are being suckered again by "Make America Great Again" . Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
You're not even going to give Trump a chance? Obama was given 8 years by his supporters, but you won't even elect Trump? Who WILL you vote for and why do you think they're not suckering you?
I said on another thread that if Trump wins the nomination I would vote for him over any of the current or if Evita gets locked up ,any of the prospective Dem candidates. But right now ,before a caucus or primary has been held ,I do not support his candidacy .
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
I thought it was before. They were clearly unimpressed with him in the primaries but supported him for the general. So Trump can hope they will flipflop and support him eventually.
Rand Paul (right) and his family supported Ronald Reagan at the 1976 GOP convention. Where was Trump, sucking up to Jimmy Carter? Ah! I know your type. You're the one who puts the winner's bumper sticker on their car after the election, making yourself look like a winner. Sorry. We don't need your support when it's over.
Didn't say I'd give him my support. That aint going to happen. The last 2 elections my choice got bumped early in the process. Should I not vote then ? If not voting is making a statement then it's a stupid statement .
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
No, what is happening now is that the Establishment is facing a rout, and trying to co-opt the Trump movement like they did the Tea Party. The difference is that Trump has a mind of his own and DOES NOT NEED the GOP Establishment at all. So, as Trump wins, the GOP Establishment will try more and more to court him. And he will be happy to harness them up for their money and power, but he will use them just exactly as THEY have used the white middle class. The Establishment will serve Trump - and when they don't, he will hurt them. Faced with extinction if they don't, the Establishment will submit to Donald Trump. And he'll keep them there, in that position.
I hope you are correct.
So what? I have no idea. But let me guess, you do? Si vis pacem, para bellum Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. There are no Carthaginian terrorists. President Obama is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people. --Clint Eastwood
The authors argue that Trump isn’t consistent in his views
#2. To: cranky (#0)
" National Review Pens Letter to Conservatives: Don’t Vote for Trump "
#3. To: Vicomte13 (#1)
As opposed to the authors' form of conservatism, which is simply a menace to America, period.
#4. To: Vicomte13 (#1)
#5. To: Stoner (#2)
I bet those same assholes were rabid anti R Reagan also.
#6. To: cranky (#3)
"As for Trump, the msm keeps reminding me Trump is a 'populist'
#7. To: misterwhite (#6)
Maybe the National Review prefers the true-blue, hard-core, conservative-on-every-issue who, once in office, turns his back on the voters and joins the establishment.
#8. To: misterwhite (#4)
And if Trump isn't a conservative, then what do his position statements make him?
#9. To: cranky (#7)
" NR is more of a big government, crony capitalist, open borders, single-payer healthcare, nwo supporting kind of 'conservative' organ. "
#10. To: cranky (#7)
" ... NR is more of a big government, crony capitalist, open borders, single-payer healthcare, nwo supporting kind of 'conservative' organ."
#11. To: misterwhite (#6)
They're afraid of Trump.
#12. To: misterwhite, Vicomte13 (#4)
Here's a question -- how did the last two "conservatives" fare in prior Presidential elections?
#13. To: misterwhite (#10)
If so, then I'm glad Trump isn't a conservative as defined by them.
#14. To: SOSO (#12)
"There were two conservatives running in the last two elections? I didn't know that."
#15. To: cranky (#13)
"I don't think he's conservative as defined by Will or Krauthammer, either and both of them seem to think they are allowed to define who or what is or isn't conservative."
#16. To: cranky (#0)
#17. To: Vicomte13 (#8)
A populist advocate of the economic interests of the middle and working class - as opposed to the interests of the very poor, or the interests of the rich elite.
#18. To: misterwhite (#15)
simply judge Trump by what he's saying.
#19. To: cranky (#18)
"I just know how much of it he believes."
#20. To: misterwhite (#19)
" Trump can't simply order that something be done and it's done. He has to work with Congress. "
#21. To: cranky (#18)
I just know how much of it he believes.
#22. To: Stoner (#20)
"I will take my chances with him, before I will trust any of the others. I think you will agree with that."
#23. To: Roscoe, misterwhite (#11)
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#24. To: misterwhite (#19)
Trump can't simply order that something be done and it's done. He has to work with Congress.
#25. To: hondo68 (#23)
#26. To: Vicomte13 (#1)
As opposed to the authors, who have been consistently in favor of crony capitalism since the day they were weaned.
#27. To: redleghunter, tomder55, cranky, vicomte13 (#17)
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#28. To: Vicomte13 (#24)
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Trump is not a "strict originalist constitutionalist". He is a practical results-oriented man.
#29. To: Stoner (#2)
I bet those same assholes were rabid anti R Reagan also.
#30. To: TooConservative (#29)
" You really can't compare Reagan, a governor of CA and the GOP's first big conservative prez, and Trump. "
#31. To: tomder55 (#28)
all the more reason to oppose his expansive view of the executive branch.
#32. To: Vicomte13 (#31)
#33. To: tomder55 (#32)
"Now they are being suckered again by "Make America Great Again" .
#34. To: misterwhite (#33)
#35. To: Stoner (#30)
They only came over to "support" Reagan AFTER he won big. Assholes all !
#36. To: Stoner (#30)
They only came over to "support" Reagan AFTER he won big. Assholes all !
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#37. To: tomder55 (#34)
"But right now ,before a caucus or primary has been held ,I do not support his candidacy."
#38. To: misterwhite (#37)
#39. To: tomder55 (#32)
#40. To: Vicomte13 (#39)
#41. To: hondo68 (#36)
" Where was Trump "
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