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Title: News Jan 12 2016, 5:22 pm ET Pentagon: 2 U.S. Navy Boats With 10 American Sailors Held by Iran Military
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URL Source: http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/p ... ats-held-iran-military-n495031
Published: Jan 12, 2016
Author: Jim Miklaszewski and Courtney Kube
Post Date: 2016-01-12 18:11:50 by Stoner
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Iranian military forces seized two U.S. Navy boats Tuesday and are detaining them on Iran's Farsi Island in the Persian Gulf, senior U.S. officials told NBC News. The 10 American sailors were on a training mission around noon ET when one of the boats may have experienced mechanical failure and drifted into Iranian-claimed waters, officials said. Iran's coast guard took them into custody. The officials said it's unclear whether the sailors — nine men and one woman — aboard the two small riverine vessels had strayed into Iranian territorial waters before they were captured. NBC Special Report: U.S. Ships Held by Iranian Forces 2:12 "At this point, we're still monitoring the situation and it's not entirely clear what happened," White House spokesman Josh Earnest said on MSNBC, adding that Iranian authorities confirmed that the sailors are safe. Earnest said there remained no exact time frame for when the sailors would be let go, but didn't expect a long delay. Related: Iran Attacks Replica U.S. Warship in Strait of Hormuz Missile Drill Following reports of the incident, Secretary of State John Kerry spoke with Iranian officials in Tehran by phone, attempting to secure the sailors' release. One senior official told NBC News the Iranians understand it was a mistake and have agreed to release the Americans in international waters within hours. The Persian Gulf has been a flash point in the Middle East, and the incident comes on the same day President Barack Obama is set to give his annual State of the Union address. Image: Coastal Riverine Squadron 3 operations Riverine Command Boat (RCB) 802, assigned to Combined Task Group (CTG) 56.7, conducts patrol operations in the Arabian Gulf in Oct. 2015. Two small riverine vessels of this type were detained on Iran's Farsi Island. MC2 Torrey W. Lee / U.S. Navy Senior U.S. military commanders also criticized Iran last month for its "highly provocative" actions when it fired unguided rockets near U.S. ships, including the USS Harry S. Truman aircraft carrier. Pentagon spokesman Peter Cook told The Associated Press that the boats were moving between Kuwait and Bahrain when U.S. officials lost contact with them. Farsi Island sits in the Persian Gulf in between Iran and Saudi Arabia, and is fortified by Iranian Revolutionary Guards. Related: U.S. Carrier Harry S. Truman Has Close Call With Iranian Rockets "We have been in contact with Iran and have received assurances that the crew and the vessels will be returned promptly," Cook said. Retired Army Gen. Barry McCaffrey, an NBC News military analyst, said the seizure of American boats is "very bad news" and highlights how the Navy may have failed to have surveillance on its vessels. "We simply can't allow ground, air or naval units to be seized by a foreign hostile power," McCaffrey said on MSNBC. "I hope they're back real quickly. This is an affront to our military presence in the Gulf and will unsettle our allies in the region." Sen. Barbara Boxer, D-Calif., said on MSNBC that the pending release of the sailors shows how diplomacy between U.S. and Iranian officials "is working." "Hopefully this will be resolved, and it won't be an issue that we're talking about in a couple of hours," she said. This is NOT good. Remind anyone that Obama = Jimmy Carter II ??
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#13. To: TooConservative (#2)
I was in Iraq when the Brits were caught. The area is very confined and one small navigation error and you are in Iranian waters. The Brits were training Iraqi small navy boats at the time. We might have been doing the same. From what the Squids told me in Iraq the area has a lot of hazardous shoals and that is why smaller boats are ideal for patrolling. For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die. But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. (Romans 5:6-8)
Yes they paid good money to get them where they are in our government. For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die. But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. (Romans 5:6-8)
Yes if a SEAL operation it would have had the best air support with drones, F-18s and the most sophisticated intel birds. The boat would not have been in Iranian waters very long. For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die. But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. (Romans 5:6-8)
They never heard of radio communications to get air cover? They never heard of fighting the enemy instead of surrendering? What am I missing here? obama must have called Bush the second to get advice. Eli, Eli, nai erchomai Kurios Iesous.
From what the Squids told me in Iraq the area has a lot of hazardous shoals and that is why smaller boats are ideal for patrolling. It appears one boat broke down and the other stopped to assist. While stopped, they drifted across the line and were apprehended by Iran, all concerned to help the "strays". This is fairly minor. Iran and America have been doing a few little favors for each other in curbing pirate attacks and such elsewhere. It has been a less unfriendly naval stance between us for some years now. You almost have to wonder if this is just the ayatollah shaking the Obama piggy bank, impatient for his $50B or $100B or $150B payout, whatever it really amounts to.
Really? Have you seen the pictures this morning of our sailors on their knees with their hand behind their head? I wouldn't call that less unfriendly. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
Those just started circulating in the last hour or so. Definitely more humiliating that how they treated the Brit sailors in 2007, even if the Iranians did detain them for 13 days instead of overnight. No proof yet that the Iranians demanded (and got) an official apology. I do notice Kerry offering his thanks to Iran for "helping" our "straying" sailors. Both Lurch and the Iranian foreign minister are happy that things are now so much more peaceful than they were some years back. A truly craven performance by Lurch. Even Hagel wasn't this repulsive.
Definitely not friendly. " Definitely more humiliating that how they treated the Brit sailors in 2007 " And this from the people that Lurch & Obunghole want to be kissy kissy with. I still want to know what response, if any there was when the Iranians fired missles near our carrier. Si vis pacem, para bellum Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. There are no Carthaginian terrorists.
They never heard of fighting the enemy instead of surrendering? What am I missing here? Diversity! Dead white males like John Paul Jones wasted their time on developing a fighting ethos, too ignorant to use the military in its proper role of promoting diversity, multiculturalism and tolerance. It took the modern day Democrat party and its palace eunuchs of the GOPe to discern the proper role for the US military. Non auro, sed ferro, recuperando est patria
The emperor wants to resettle Raisuli in America as a rapefugee, with generous welfare, food stamps and section 8 housing, taken from the taxes of Perdicaris. Non auro, sed ferro, recuperando est patria
I'm not certain,but I THINK the US government will end up apologizing for having our carrier in the area where the Iranians were firing their missiles. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
Times like this really make you miss Saddam. I love what he did to Iran after they were able to walk all over the peanut farmer. We never avenged the taking of our embassy, thankfully Saddam was their to make them pay. Non auro, sed ferro, recuperando est patria
Yeah, Saddam was just a fall guy / target of convenience for the PNAC. Si vis pacem, para bellum Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. There are no Carthaginian terrorists.
Sez who? Hagel took the job didn't he? потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
This government wants Perdicaris alive or Raisuli dead. What, the two of you have been reading histories of the Republican national conventions? What an obscure tidbit of info.
I don't think much of TR .But one can't deny his cahones . Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Can someone confirm the claim that both boats were disabled ? If so ;what are the chances of that being a coincidence ? There is still a lot of fog of war about this incident .
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
This is the US doing the freedom of navigation thing again, this time in the gulf. Iran takes a different view to China, they don't give warnings. Anyway they kept the boats so let's hope no up market technology went with them
I think Mare Liberum is worth defending. The Gulf is no more an exclusive Iranian or Saudi lake than the South China Sea is a Chinese lake ,or the Gulf of Mexico an American lake. Part of the role of the American Navy has been to protect American commerce ,and that has been true since the Shores of Tripoli . But this was not a freedom of navigation event . We are currently in the Gulf supporting the effort to defeat the Islamic State ,an effort presumably that the 12ers agree with . We are days away from releasing $ billions in Iranian frozen assets as part of the ridiculous Iran Nuke deal . If it were me ,they wouldn't see a rusty Rial . Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Yes, they are more incompetent than you think.
One disabled, the other stopped to help. Supposedly. Or maybe they were deploying drone mini subs to spy on the Iranian RG naval base nearby or planting underwater eavesdropping devices. Hard to tell.
Really? I hadn't heard that. And you can bet there was upmarket radio and cryptology devices in both boats unless the crew had time to dump the radio stuff and code machines overboard in a weighed sink bag. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
The Iranians cleared them of esponage, that is why they let them go. Two very different purpose boats by the look of them
Good memory you have.
Well, those Brit sailors were held for two weeks so there was plenty of pearl-clutching, teeth-gnashing and panty-wetting in both London and D.C.
I searched the Articles for mentions of the captured Brit sailors and noticed something. ... Iran accuses Britain over sailors ... Iran seizes 15 British Navy personnel
I liked this tweets via Mark Hemingway.
Looks very similar to the pose the jihadist put their victims in before the beheadings begin. I'm sure that was exactly the image the 12er scum wanted the ummah to see. The Geneva Conventions ban the practive of parading captives for purposes of insult and propaganda . If nothing else the ROEs need to be examined. Assumptions we have made in light of this and the Iranians taking target practice near one of our carriers have to be questioned . Our partners in the region were already questioning our strength and resolve before this incident . Now we have 2 heavily armed boats taken without a shot being fired . . Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Yea that was not a good moment for the fleet One of the Brit sailors , Arthur Batchelor,broke down when the captors comparing him to 'Mr Bean'. One of the female sailors was given a doll for her daughter by the captors . Both sold their story to the Brit press for money. Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Of course Kerry being a swift boat hero knew how to negotiate this one:)
For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die. But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. (Romans 5:6-8)
Let's put the blame for this squarely where it belongs,on the shoulders of the US Navy Commander that surrendered TWO FLAGGED US NAVY GUNBOATS WITHOUT FIRING A SHOT! I may very well owe that Commander an apology because for all I know at this point he radioed his commander (most likely the senior fleet Admiral) for guidance and was told to surrender,but in THAT case the Admiral or whoever was in command over him that may have made the decision needs to be court-martialed,send to the Naval Prison for several years,and released from prison with no retirement pay or benefits. If the decision to surrender a US-FLAGGED WAR VESSEL without firing a shot was made by a civilian in the food chain like the Sec or the Navy,congress needs to bring charges of dereliction of duty or similar charges against him or her. Same if the decision was made by the Off-White House. WHEN YOU SURRENDER A MILITARY VESSEL FLYING THE US FLAG,YOU ARE IN ESSENCE SURRENDERING A PART OF AMERICAN SOIL,AND YOU DO NOT DO THAT WITHOUT A FIGHT! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
is Kerry still picking pieces of rice out of his arse ? Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
I may very well owe that Commander an apology because for all I know at this point he radioed his commander (most likely the senior fleet Admiral) for guidance and was told to surrender,but in THAT case the Admiral or whoever was in command over him that may have made the decision needs to be court-martialed,send to the Naval Prison for several years,and released from prison with no retirement pay or benefits. If the decision to surrender a US-FLAGGED WAR VESSEL without firing a shot was made by a civilian in the food chain like the Sec or the Navy,congress needs to bring charges of dereliction of duty or similar charges against him or her. Same if the decision was made by the Off-White House. WHEN YOU SURRENDER A MILITARY VESSEL FLYING THE US FLAG,YOU ARE IN ESSENCE SURRENDERING A PART OF AMERICAN SOIL,AND YOU DO NOT DO THAT WITHOUT A FIGHT! Probably right . The Pueblo was captured in 1968 by the NORKs . The crew suffered almost a year of torture before they were released after the US apologized to the NORKs 1975 the Mayaguez was captured by the Cambodians . Although President Ford ordered a swift response , 41 American troops died in the rescue. Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
They died because it was a botched operation put together using people who had never worked together and commanded by people with no experience in running raids. All those Marines died (I think they were mostly Marines) because of a presidential order and none of the Marine brass having the brass to admit they were unqualified to pull it off,or maybe even worse,so ignorant they didn't realize a hostage rescue wasn't the same as a beach invasion. Today we have the Joint Special Operations Command that ties together all the various services and their Special Operations people with the military people on the conventional side,and the actual shooters in the assault forces are VERY experienced commandoes instead of PFC's led by NCO's with 2 enlistments. Being a joint command,they even have the power and the experience to cherry pick what units from what branches of the military they think would be best suited for each mission due to equipment,experience,and training. When a hostage rescue force hits the tarmac today,there ain't NOTHING haphazard about the operation. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
your memory on past mistakes is amazing, I'm surprised we didn't get Gulf of Tonkin thrown in but then you won that one, or did you? Tom I think incidents like this recent one demonstrates that the current generation isn't up to the task, and the leadership is seriously wanting. Why conduct exercises in an area where there is likely to be an incident or dispute? arn't the seas big enough to play in elsewhere?
Your understanding of the situation is seriously flawed . The US Navy is not in the Gulf conducting exercises. The Navy is there supporting Operation Inherent Resolve. Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Perhaps these guys were a little off mission then, read the reports the boats were involved in a exercise
And hasn't been caught whacking his pud in a porno booth, at least not that we know of... Vegetarians eat vegetables. Beware of humanitarians!
uh -huh ;and now they are blaming the crews for navigational error. I bet you believe that too .
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
sounds lieke plausiable denieablility to me but as to whether I believe is see my other response. Your government plays silly games under the guise of war and protection
Apparently, small British and American boats keep "straying" into Iranian territorial waters.
#14. To: rlk (#5)
Add Hillary to that list. The problem is, Iran wouldn't take them. They are too valuble to Iran as subversives over here where they can do the most damage.
#15. To: sneakypete (#11)
BullBush. Unless the Navy brass is even more incompetent than I think,a virtual impossibility,people like that (low rank/low speed) aren't involved in covert operations.
#16. To: sneakypete (#3)
This is the US Navy,and they never heard of sea anchors and tow lines?
#17. To: redleghunter (#13)
I was in Iraq when the Brits were caught. The area is very confined and one small navigation error and you are in Iranian waters. The Brits were training Iraqi small navy boats at the time. We might have been doing the same.
#18. To: TooConservative, redleghunter, All (#17)
This is fairly minor. Iran and America have been doing a few little favors for each other in curbing pirate attacks and such elsewhere. It has been a less unfriendly naval stance between us for some years now.
#19. To: SOSO (#18)
Have you seen the pictures this morning of our sailors on their knees with their hand behind their head?
#20. To: TooConservative (#19)
" Have you seen the pictures this morning of our sailors on their knees with their hand behind their head? I wouldn't call that less unfriendly. "
#21. To: sneakypete (#3)
They never heard of radio communications to get air cover?
#22. To: tomder55 (#10)
The emperor should've said at the beginning of SOTU "This government wants Perdicaris alive or Raisuli dead " .
#23. To: Stoner (#20)
I still want to know what response, if any there was when the Iranians fired missles near our carrier.
#24. To: Stoner (#20)
Definitely not friendly.
#25. To: nativist nationalist (#24)
" Saddam was their to make them pay. "
#26. To: TooConservative (#19)
A truly craven performance by Lurch. Even Hagel wasn't this repulsive.
#27. To: nativist nationalist, tomder55 (#22)
#28. To: TooConservative, nativist nationalist, redleghunter (#27)
What, the two of you have been reading histories of the Republican national conventions? What an obscure tidbit of info.
#29. To: TooConservative, Redleghunter, nativist nationalist (#27)
#30. To: tomder55 (#29)
There is still a lot of fog of war about this incident .
#31. To: paraclete (#30)
#32. To: sneakypete (#11)
Unless the Navy brass is even more incompetent than I think
#33. To: tomder55 (#29)
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Can someone confirm the claim that both boats were disabled ? If so ;what are the chances of that being a coincidence ? There is still a lot of fog of war about this incident .
#34. To: paraclete (#30)
Anyway they kept the boats so let's hope no up market technology went with them
#35. To: TooConservative (#33)
(Edited)
Or maybe they were deploying drone mini subs to spy on the Iranian RG naval base nearby or planting underwater eavesdropping devices
#36. To: TooConservative (#2)
#37. To: A K A Stone (#36)
Good memory you have.
#38. To: A K A Stone (#36)
Good memory you have.
Anyway, you certainly knew about the incident at the time.
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Post Date: 2007-03-23 21:23:08 by A K A Stone
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Fifteen British navy personnel captured at gunpoint by Iranian forces had sailed into Iran's waters illegally, its government has insisted. An Iranian official said Tehran had made a "firm protest" about the "illegal entry" in the Gulf. The UK maintains the eight sailors and seven marines had been carrying out routine duties in Iraqi waters. The personnel, who are thought to be unharmed, were seized at 1030 local time after boarding a boat in the Gulf. Iranian and UK diplomats have met in Tehran and London in the wake of the incident. Ibrahim Rahimpour, Iran's director general for Western European affairs, said he had met the UK's charge d'affaires, ...
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Post Date: 2007-03-23 12:41:20 by A K A Stone
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BASRA, Iraq (Reuters) - Iranian forces seized 15 British Royal Navy personnel who had searched a merchant ship on Friday, Britain said, triggering a diplomatic crisis at a time of heightened tensions over Tehran's nuclear ambitions. Britain said the incident took place in Iraqi waters, where it routinely searches merchant vessels with UN permission. In London, Foreign Office Permanent Undersecretary Sir Peter Ricketts summoned Iranian ambassador Rasoul Movahedian. A spokesman said: "The meeting was brisk but cordial. Sir Peter demanded the safe return of our personnel and equipment." The incident took place a day after Iran launched a week of naval war games along its ...
#39. To: All, cranky, redleghunter, A K A Stone, Stoner, GarySpFc, sneakypete, tomder55, nativist nationalist, SOSO (#38)
NYTimes: 
#40. To: TooConservative, All, cranky, redleghunter, A K A Stone, Stoner, GarySpFc, sneakypete, tomder55, nativist nationalist, SOSO (#39)
#41. To: TooConservative, A K A Stone (#38)
#42. To: TooConservative, tomder55 (#39)
#43. To: tomder55, *Military or Vets Affairs* (#40)
Looks very similar to the pose the jihadist put their victims in before the beheadings begin. I'm sure that was exactly the image the 12er scum wanted the ummah to see. The Geneva Conventions ban the practive of parading captives for purposes of insult and propaganda .
#44. To: redleghunter, TooConservative (#42)
Of course Kerry being a swift boat hero knew how to negotiate this one:)
#45. To: sneakypete (#43)
Looks very similar to the pose the jihadist put their victims in before the beheadings begin. I'm sure that was exactly the image the 12er scum wanted the ummah to see. The Geneva Conventions ban the practive of parading captives for purposes of insult and propaganda . Let's put the blame for this squarely where it belongs,on the shoulders of the US Navy Commander that surrendered TWO FLAGGED US NAVY GUNBOATS WITHOUT FIRING A SHOT!
#46. To: tomder55 (#45)
1975 the Mayaguez was captured by the Cambodians . Although President Ford ordered a swift response , 41 American troops died in the rescue.
#47. To: tomder55 (#45)
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#48. To: paraclete (#47)
Why conduct exercises in an area where there is likely to be an incident or dispute? arn't the seas big enough to play in elsewhere?
#49. To: tomder55 (#48)
The US Navy is not in the Gulf conducting exercises
#50. To: TooConservative (#8)
The new Pee Wee is some black guy. Not nearly as funny as the original.
#51. To: paraclete (#49)
#52. To: tomder55 (#51)
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now they are blaming the crews for navigational error.
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