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Title: News Jan 12 2016, 5:22 pm ET Pentagon: 2 U.S. Navy Boats With 10 American Sailors Held by Iran Military
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URL Source: http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/p ... ats-held-iran-military-n495031
Published: Jan 12, 2016
Author: Jim Miklaszewski and Courtney Kube
Post Date: 2016-01-12 18:11:50 by Stoner
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Iranian military forces seized two U.S. Navy boats Tuesday and are detaining them on Iran's Farsi Island in the Persian Gulf, senior U.S. officials told NBC News. The 10 American sailors were on a training mission around noon ET when one of the boats may have experienced mechanical failure and drifted into Iranian-claimed waters, officials said. Iran's coast guard took them into custody. The officials said it's unclear whether the sailors — nine men and one woman — aboard the two small riverine vessels had strayed into Iranian territorial waters before they were captured. NBC Special Report: U.S. Ships Held by Iranian Forces 2:12 "At this point, we're still monitoring the situation and it's not entirely clear what happened," White House spokesman Josh Earnest said on MSNBC, adding that Iranian authorities confirmed that the sailors are safe. Earnest said there remained no exact time frame for when the sailors would be let go, but didn't expect a long delay. Related: Iran Attacks Replica U.S. Warship in Strait of Hormuz Missile Drill Following reports of the incident, Secretary of State John Kerry spoke with Iranian officials in Tehran by phone, attempting to secure the sailors' release. One senior official told NBC News the Iranians understand it was a mistake and have agreed to release the Americans in international waters within hours. The Persian Gulf has been a flash point in the Middle East, and the incident comes on the same day President Barack Obama is set to give his annual State of the Union address. Image: Coastal Riverine Squadron 3 operations Riverine Command Boat (RCB) 802, assigned to Combined Task Group (CTG) 56.7, conducts patrol operations in the Arabian Gulf in Oct. 2015. Two small riverine vessels of this type were detained on Iran's Farsi Island. MC2 Torrey W. Lee / U.S. Navy Senior U.S. military commanders also criticized Iran last month for its "highly provocative" actions when it fired unguided rockets near U.S. ships, including the USS Harry S. Truman aircraft carrier. Pentagon spokesman Peter Cook told The Associated Press that the boats were moving between Kuwait and Bahrain when U.S. officials lost contact with them. Farsi Island sits in the Persian Gulf in between Iran and Saudi Arabia, and is fortified by Iranian Revolutionary Guards. Related: U.S. Carrier Harry S. Truman Has Close Call With Iranian Rockets "We have been in contact with Iran and have received assurances that the crew and the vessels will be returned promptly," Cook said. Retired Army Gen. Barry McCaffrey, an NBC News military analyst, said the seizure of American boats is "very bad news" and highlights how the Navy may have failed to have surveillance on its vessels. "We simply can't allow ground, air or naval units to be seized by a foreign hostile power," McCaffrey said on MSNBC. "I hope they're back real quickly. This is an affront to our military presence in the Gulf and will unsettle our allies in the region." Sen. Barbara Boxer, D-Calif., said on MSNBC that the pending release of the sailors shows how diplomacy between U.S. and Iranian officials "is working." "Hopefully this will be resolved, and it won't be an issue that we're talking about in a couple of hours," she said. This is NOT good. Remind anyone that Obama = Jimmy Carter II ??
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#1. To: Stoner (#0)
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Riverine Command Boat (RCB) 802, assigned to Combined Task Group (CTG) 56.7, conducts patrol operations in the Arabian Gulf in Oct. 2015. Two small riverine vessels of this type were detained on Iran's Farsi Island. MC2 Torrey W. Lee / U.S. Navy We could trade McCain, Kerry, and Lindsey Graham for the US sailors? I recalled a similar incident years back. A quick search reveals that it was a Brit crew back in 2007. British sailors and marines have finally returned home from Iran. The British Defence Ministry has announced that some of the crew members were held in Iran in solitary confinement. After landing at London's Heathrow airport on Thursday the British crew was taken by helicopters to a base southwest of the city, where they were debriefed about their 13 days in captivity. More detailed questioning is expected on Friday, but for the sailors politics was secondary as they were reunited with their families, who have been waiting for this moment since their loved ones were detained in Iran on March 23. Iran’s President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad announced he decided to forgive and free the 15, even though Britain was not “brave enough” to admit they had strayed into Iranian territory. The dispute centred on where the British sailors and marines were when they were detained. Britain says they were in Iraqi waters on a routine UN mission. Tehran says they strayed into its territorial waters. The waterway, where British and Iranian naval vessels operate daily, remains an area of potential conflict because the border between Iran and Iraq is poorly defined. After his announcement, a smiling Mahmoud Ahmadinejad met several of the sailors and marines, dressed in smart suits, shaking hands with them and exchanging a few words through an interpreter. The servicemen were interviewed later on Wednesday. “I will not say anything different that I have said over here. I will be absolutely completely truthful. I will definitely promote Iran. I think there is a lot of ignorance in the UK really about Iran and the people,” said Lieutenant Felix Carman, one of the sailors. Iranian and British officials had negotiations to find a diplomatic solution to a standoff that had added to international tension over Iran's disputed nuclear programme, the subject of the UN Security Council sanctions. Analysts say that while Mr Ahmadinejad may hope for praise in the West, Britain and the U.S. were likely to maintain diplomatic pressure, separating the sailors' freedom from issues like Iran's nuclear programme. The Brits got held for a few weeks. Our crews will get returned by morning, it seems. I guess Iran doesn't want any static on that sweet $150 billion check Obola wants to send them.
WTF? This is the US Navy,and they never heard of sea anchors and tow lines? They never heard of radio communications to get air cover? They never heard of fighting the enemy instead of surrendering? What am I missing here? Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
Super-duper double-secret espionage assignment is directed here by the US government top brass. You are out of the loop in other words. Just pay your f'ing taxes and shaddup!
Add Hillary to that list. The problem is, Iran wouldn't take them. They are too valuble to Iran as subversives over here where they can do the most damage.
They never heard of radio communications to get air cover? They never heard of fighting the enemy instead of surrendering? What am I missing here? " I agree Pete. Something just does not seem right here. Si vis pacem, para bellum Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. There are no Carthaginian terrorists.
And whats up with that? Rockets fired at / near a USN Carrier? How many enemy ships were sunk? How many enemy planes were blown out of the sky? How many enemy troops were vaporized? Who the hell is in charge, Pee Wee Herman? Damn sure is not Bull Halsey! Si vis pacem, para bellum Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. There are no Carthaginian terrorists.
Who the hell is in charge, Pee Wee Herman? The new Pee Wee is some black guy. Not nearly as funny as the original.
OR, Muhammad the Muslim. One of Obunghole & Valarie's people. Si vis pacem, para bellum Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. There are no Carthaginian terrorists.
The emperor should've said at the beginning of SOTU "This government wants Perdicaris alive or Raisuli dead " .
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
BullBush. Unless the Navy brass is even more incompetent than I think,a virtual impossibility,people like that (low rank/low speed) aren't involved in covert operations. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
Pee Wee would be an improvement over whatever ball-less politically-connected Annapolis Ring Knocker the Navy "insiders club" put as titular head so he could get a star. The US Navy officer corps makes the Dim Party leadership look like a bunch of rank political amateurs by comparison. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
I was in Iraq when the Brits were caught. The area is very confined and one small navigation error and you are in Iranian waters. The Brits were training Iraqi small navy boats at the time. We might have been doing the same. From what the Squids told me in Iraq the area has a lot of hazardous shoals and that is why smaller boats are ideal for patrolling. For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die. But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. (Romans 5:6-8)
Yes they paid good money to get them where they are in our government. For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die. But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. (Romans 5:6-8)
Yes if a SEAL operation it would have had the best air support with drones, F-18s and the most sophisticated intel birds. The boat would not have been in Iranian waters very long. For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die. But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. (Romans 5:6-8)
They never heard of radio communications to get air cover? They never heard of fighting the enemy instead of surrendering? What am I missing here? obama must have called Bush the second to get advice. Eli, Eli, nai erchomai Kurios Iesous.
From what the Squids told me in Iraq the area has a lot of hazardous shoals and that is why smaller boats are ideal for patrolling. It appears one boat broke down and the other stopped to assist. While stopped, they drifted across the line and were apprehended by Iran, all concerned to help the "strays". This is fairly minor. Iran and America have been doing a few little favors for each other in curbing pirate attacks and such elsewhere. It has been a less unfriendly naval stance between us for some years now. You almost have to wonder if this is just the ayatollah shaking the Obama piggy bank, impatient for his $50B or $100B or $150B payout, whatever it really amounts to.
Really? Have you seen the pictures this morning of our sailors on their knees with their hand behind their head? I wouldn't call that less unfriendly. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
Those just started circulating in the last hour or so. Definitely more humiliating that how they treated the Brit sailors in 2007, even if the Iranians did detain them for 13 days instead of overnight. No proof yet that the Iranians demanded (and got) an official apology. I do notice Kerry offering his thanks to Iran for "helping" our "straying" sailors. Both Lurch and the Iranian foreign minister are happy that things are now so much more peaceful than they were some years back. A truly craven performance by Lurch. Even Hagel wasn't this repulsive.
Definitely not friendly. " Definitely more humiliating that how they treated the Brit sailors in 2007 " And this from the people that Lurch & Obunghole want to be kissy kissy with. I still want to know what response, if any there was when the Iranians fired missles near our carrier. Si vis pacem, para bellum Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. There are no Carthaginian terrorists.
They never heard of fighting the enemy instead of surrendering? What am I missing here? Diversity! Dead white males like John Paul Jones wasted their time on developing a fighting ethos, too ignorant to use the military in its proper role of promoting diversity, multiculturalism and tolerance. It took the modern day Democrat party and its palace eunuchs of the GOPe to discern the proper role for the US military. Non auro, sed ferro, recuperando est patria
The emperor wants to resettle Raisuli in America as a rapefugee, with generous welfare, food stamps and section 8 housing, taken from the taxes of Perdicaris. Non auro, sed ferro, recuperando est patria
I'm not certain,but I THINK the US government will end up apologizing for having our carrier in the area where the Iranians were firing their missiles. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
Times like this really make you miss Saddam. I love what he did to Iran after they were able to walk all over the peanut farmer. We never avenged the taking of our embassy, thankfully Saddam was their to make them pay. Non auro, sed ferro, recuperando est patria
Yeah, Saddam was just a fall guy / target of convenience for the PNAC. Si vis pacem, para bellum Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. There are no Carthaginian terrorists.
Sez who? Hagel took the job didn't he? потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
This government wants Perdicaris alive or Raisuli dead. What, the two of you have been reading histories of the Republican national conventions? What an obscure tidbit of info.
I don't think much of TR .But one can't deny his cahones . Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Can someone confirm the claim that both boats were disabled ? If so ;what are the chances of that being a coincidence ? There is still a lot of fog of war about this incident .
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
This is the US doing the freedom of navigation thing again, this time in the gulf. Iran takes a different view to China, they don't give warnings. Anyway they kept the boats so let's hope no up market technology went with them
I think Mare Liberum is worth defending. The Gulf is no more an exclusive Iranian or Saudi lake than the South China Sea is a Chinese lake ,or the Gulf of Mexico an American lake. Part of the role of the American Navy has been to protect American commerce ,and that has been true since the Shores of Tripoli . But this was not a freedom of navigation event . We are currently in the Gulf supporting the effort to defeat the Islamic State ,an effort presumably that the 12ers agree with . We are days away from releasing $ billions in Iranian frozen assets as part of the ridiculous Iran Nuke deal . If it were me ,they wouldn't see a rusty Rial . Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Yes, they are more incompetent than you think.
One disabled, the other stopped to help. Supposedly. Or maybe they were deploying drone mini subs to spy on the Iranian RG naval base nearby or planting underwater eavesdropping devices. Hard to tell.
Really? I hadn't heard that. And you can bet there was upmarket radio and cryptology devices in both boats unless the crew had time to dump the radio stuff and code machines overboard in a weighed sink bag. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
The Iranians cleared them of esponage, that is why they let them go. Two very different purpose boats by the look of them
Good memory you have.
Well, those Brit sailors were held for two weeks so there was plenty of pearl-clutching, teeth-gnashing and panty-wetting in both London and D.C.
I searched the Articles for mentions of the captured Brit sailors and noticed something. ... Iran accuses Britain over sailors ... Iran seizes 15 British Navy personnel
I liked this tweets via Mark Hemingway.
Looks very similar to the pose the jihadist put their victims in before the beheadings begin. I'm sure that was exactly the image the 12er scum wanted the ummah to see. The Geneva Conventions ban the practive of parading captives for purposes of insult and propaganda . If nothing else the ROEs need to be examined. Assumptions we have made in light of this and the Iranians taking target practice near one of our carriers have to be questioned . Our partners in the region were already questioning our strength and resolve before this incident . Now we have 2 heavily armed boats taken without a shot being fired . . Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
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"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#2. To: Stoner (#0)
Apparently, small British and American boats keep "straying" into Iranian territorial waters. British navy crew arrives home from Iran
#3. To: Stoner (#0)
The 10 American sailors were on a training mission around noon ET when one of the boats may have experienced mechanical failure and drifted into Iranian-claimed waters, officials said. Iran's coast guard took them into custody.
#4. To: sneakypete (#3)
What am I missing here?
#5. To: hondo68 (#1)
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We could trade McCain, Kerry, and Lindsey Graham for the US sailors?
#6. To: sneakypete (#3)
" WTF? This is the US Navy,and they never heard of sea anchors and tow lines?
#7. To: sneakypete, TooConservative (#3)
" Senior U.S. military commanders also criticized Iran last month for its "highly provocative" actions when it fired unguided rockets near U.S. ships, including the USS Harry S. Truman aircraft carrier. "
#8. To: Stoner (#7)
And whats up with that? Rockets fired at / near a USN Carrier? How many enemy ships were sunk? How many enemy planes were blown out of the sky? How many enemy troops were vaporized?
#9. To: TooConservative (#8)
" The new Pee Wee is some black guy. "
#10. To: Stoner, redleghunter, TooConservative, All (#0)
#11. To: buckeroo (#4)
Super-duper double-secret espionage assignment is directed here by the US government top brass.
#12. To: Stoner (#7)
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Who the hell is in charge, Pee Wee Herman?
#13. To: TooConservative (#2)
Apparently, small British and American boats keep "straying" into Iranian territorial waters.
#14. To: rlk (#5)
Add Hillary to that list. The problem is, Iran wouldn't take them. They are too valuble to Iran as subversives over here where they can do the most damage.
#15. To: sneakypete (#11)
BullBush. Unless the Navy brass is even more incompetent than I think,a virtual impossibility,people like that (low rank/low speed) aren't involved in covert operations.
#16. To: sneakypete (#3)
This is the US Navy,and they never heard of sea anchors and tow lines?
#17. To: redleghunter (#13)
I was in Iraq when the Brits were caught. The area is very confined and one small navigation error and you are in Iranian waters. The Brits were training Iraqi small navy boats at the time. We might have been doing the same.
#18. To: TooConservative, redleghunter, All (#17)
This is fairly minor. Iran and America have been doing a few little favors for each other in curbing pirate attacks and such elsewhere. It has been a less unfriendly naval stance between us for some years now.
#19. To: SOSO (#18)
Have you seen the pictures this morning of our sailors on their knees with their hand behind their head?
#20. To: TooConservative (#19)
" Have you seen the pictures this morning of our sailors on their knees with their hand behind their head? I wouldn't call that less unfriendly. "
#21. To: sneakypete (#3)
They never heard of radio communications to get air cover?
#22. To: tomder55 (#10)
The emperor should've said at the beginning of SOTU "This government wants Perdicaris alive or Raisuli dead " .
#23. To: Stoner (#20)
I still want to know what response, if any there was when the Iranians fired missles near our carrier.
#24. To: Stoner (#20)
Definitely not friendly.
#25. To: nativist nationalist (#24)
" Saddam was their to make them pay. "
#26. To: TooConservative (#19)
A truly craven performance by Lurch. Even Hagel wasn't this repulsive.
#27. To: nativist nationalist, tomder55 (#22)
#28. To: TooConservative, nativist nationalist, redleghunter (#27)
What, the two of you have been reading histories of the Republican national conventions? What an obscure tidbit of info.
#29. To: TooConservative, Redleghunter, nativist nationalist (#27)
#30. To: tomder55 (#29)
There is still a lot of fog of war about this incident .
#31. To: paraclete (#30)
#32. To: sneakypete (#11)
Unless the Navy brass is even more incompetent than I think
#33. To: tomder55 (#29)
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Can someone confirm the claim that both boats were disabled ? If so ;what are the chances of that being a coincidence ? There is still a lot of fog of war about this incident .
#34. To: paraclete (#30)
Anyway they kept the boats so let's hope no up market technology went with them
#35. To: TooConservative (#33)
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Or maybe they were deploying drone mini subs to spy on the Iranian RG naval base nearby or planting underwater eavesdropping devices
#36. To: TooConservative (#2)
#37. To: A K A Stone (#36)
Good memory you have.
#38. To: A K A Stone (#36)
Good memory you have.
Anyway, you certainly knew about the incident at the time.
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Post Date: 2007-03-23 21:23:08 by A K A Stone
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Fifteen British navy personnel captured at gunpoint by Iranian forces had sailed into Iran's waters illegally, its government has insisted. An Iranian official said Tehran had made a "firm protest" about the "illegal entry" in the Gulf. The UK maintains the eight sailors and seven marines had been carrying out routine duties in Iraqi waters. The personnel, who are thought to be unharmed, were seized at 1030 local time after boarding a boat in the Gulf. Iranian and UK diplomats have met in Tehran and London in the wake of the incident. Ibrahim Rahimpour, Iran's director general for Western European affairs, said he had met the UK's charge d'affaires, ...
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Post Date: 2007-03-23 12:41:20 by A K A Stone
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BASRA, Iraq (Reuters) - Iranian forces seized 15 British Royal Navy personnel who had searched a merchant ship on Friday, Britain said, triggering a diplomatic crisis at a time of heightened tensions over Tehran's nuclear ambitions. Britain said the incident took place in Iraqi waters, where it routinely searches merchant vessels with UN permission. In London, Foreign Office Permanent Undersecretary Sir Peter Ricketts summoned Iranian ambassador Rasoul Movahedian. A spokesman said: "The meeting was brisk but cordial. Sir Peter demanded the safe return of our personnel and equipment." The incident took place a day after Iran launched a week of naval war games along its ...
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