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Title: News Jan 12 2016, 5:22 pm ET Pentagon: 2 U.S. Navy Boats With 10 American Sailors Held by Iran Military
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URL Source: http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/p ... ats-held-iran-military-n495031
Published: Jan 12, 2016
Author: Jim Miklaszewski and Courtney Kube
Post Date: 2016-01-12 18:11:50 by Stoner
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Views: 10070
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Iranian military forces seized two U.S. Navy boats Tuesday and are detaining them on Iran's Farsi Island in the Persian Gulf, senior U.S. officials told NBC News. The 10 American sailors were on a training mission around noon ET when one of the boats may have experienced mechanical failure and drifted into Iranian-claimed waters, officials said. Iran's coast guard took them into custody. The officials said it's unclear whether the sailors — nine men and one woman — aboard the two small riverine vessels had strayed into Iranian territorial waters before they were captured. NBC Special Report: U.S. Ships Held by Iranian Forces 2:12 "At this point, we're still monitoring the situation and it's not entirely clear what happened," White House spokesman Josh Earnest said on MSNBC, adding that Iranian authorities confirmed that the sailors are safe. Earnest said there remained no exact time frame for when the sailors would be let go, but didn't expect a long delay. Related: Iran Attacks Replica U.S. Warship in Strait of Hormuz Missile Drill Following reports of the incident, Secretary of State John Kerry spoke with Iranian officials in Tehran by phone, attempting to secure the sailors' release. One senior official told NBC News the Iranians understand it was a mistake and have agreed to release the Americans in international waters within hours. The Persian Gulf has been a flash point in the Middle East, and the incident comes on the same day President Barack Obama is set to give his annual State of the Union address. Image: Coastal Riverine Squadron 3 operations Riverine Command Boat (RCB) 802, assigned to Combined Task Group (CTG) 56.7, conducts patrol operations in the Arabian Gulf in Oct. 2015. Two small riverine vessels of this type were detained on Iran's Farsi Island. MC2 Torrey W. Lee / U.S. Navy Senior U.S. military commanders also criticized Iran last month for its "highly provocative" actions when it fired unguided rockets near U.S. ships, including the USS Harry S. Truman aircraft carrier. Pentagon spokesman Peter Cook told The Associated Press that the boats were moving between Kuwait and Bahrain when U.S. officials lost contact with them. Farsi Island sits in the Persian Gulf in between Iran and Saudi Arabia, and is fortified by Iranian Revolutionary Guards. Related: U.S. Carrier Harry S. Truman Has Close Call With Iranian Rockets "We have been in contact with Iran and have received assurances that the crew and the vessels will be returned promptly," Cook said. Retired Army Gen. Barry McCaffrey, an NBC News military analyst, said the seizure of American boats is "very bad news" and highlights how the Navy may have failed to have surveillance on its vessels. "We simply can't allow ground, air or naval units to be seized by a foreign hostile power," McCaffrey said on MSNBC. "I hope they're back real quickly. This is an affront to our military presence in the Gulf and will unsettle our allies in the region." Sen. Barbara Boxer, D-Calif., said on MSNBC that the pending release of the sailors shows how diplomacy between U.S. and Iranian officials "is working." "Hopefully this will be resolved, and it won't be an issue that we're talking about in a couple of hours," she said. This is NOT good. Remind anyone that Obama = Jimmy Carter II ??
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#2. To: Stoner (#0)
I recalled a similar incident years back. A quick search reveals that it was a Brit crew back in 2007. British sailors and marines have finally returned home from Iran. The British Defence Ministry has announced that some of the crew members were held in Iran in solitary confinement. After landing at London's Heathrow airport on Thursday the British crew was taken by helicopters to a base southwest of the city, where they were debriefed about their 13 days in captivity. More detailed questioning is expected on Friday, but for the sailors politics was secondary as they were reunited with their families, who have been waiting for this moment since their loved ones were detained in Iran on March 23. Iran’s President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad announced he decided to forgive and free the 15, even though Britain was not “brave enough” to admit they had strayed into Iranian territory. The dispute centred on where the British sailors and marines were when they were detained. Britain says they were in Iraqi waters on a routine UN mission. Tehran says they strayed into its territorial waters. The waterway, where British and Iranian naval vessels operate daily, remains an area of potential conflict because the border between Iran and Iraq is poorly defined. After his announcement, a smiling Mahmoud Ahmadinejad met several of the sailors and marines, dressed in smart suits, shaking hands with them and exchanging a few words through an interpreter. The servicemen were interviewed later on Wednesday. “I will not say anything different that I have said over here. I will be absolutely completely truthful. I will definitely promote Iran. I think there is a lot of ignorance in the UK really about Iran and the people,” said Lieutenant Felix Carman, one of the sailors. Iranian and British officials had negotiations to find a diplomatic solution to a standoff that had added to international tension over Iran's disputed nuclear programme, the subject of the UN Security Council sanctions. Analysts say that while Mr Ahmadinejad may hope for praise in the West, Britain and the U.S. were likely to maintain diplomatic pressure, separating the sailors' freedom from issues like Iran's nuclear programme. The Brits got held for a few weeks. Our crews will get returned by morning, it seems. I guess Iran doesn't want any static on that sweet $150 billion check Obola wants to send them.
Good memory you have.
I searched the Articles for mentions of the captured Brit sailors and noticed something. ... Iran accuses Britain over sailors ... Iran seizes 15 British Navy personnel
I liked this tweets via Mark Hemingway.
Looks very similar to the pose the jihadist put their victims in before the beheadings begin. I'm sure that was exactly the image the 12er scum wanted the ummah to see. The Geneva Conventions ban the practive of parading captives for purposes of insult and propaganda . If nothing else the ROEs need to be examined. Assumptions we have made in light of this and the Iranians taking target practice near one of our carriers have to be questioned . Our partners in the region were already questioning our strength and resolve before this incident . Now we have 2 heavily armed boats taken without a shot being fired . .
Let's put the blame for this squarely where it belongs,on the shoulders of the US Navy Commander that surrendered TWO FLAGGED US NAVY GUNBOATS WITHOUT FIRING A SHOT! I may very well owe that Commander an apology because for all I know at this point he radioed his commander (most likely the senior fleet Admiral) for guidance and was told to surrender,but in THAT case the Admiral or whoever was in command over him that may have made the decision needs to be court-martialed,send to the Naval Prison for several years,and released from prison with no retirement pay or benefits. If the decision to surrender a US-FLAGGED WAR VESSEL without firing a shot was made by a civilian in the food chain like the Sec or the Navy,congress needs to bring charges of dereliction of duty or similar charges against him or her. Same if the decision was made by the Off-White House. WHEN YOU SURRENDER A MILITARY VESSEL FLYING THE US FLAG,YOU ARE IN ESSENCE SURRENDERING A PART OF AMERICAN SOIL,AND YOU DO NOT DO THAT WITHOUT A FIGHT!
I may very well owe that Commander an apology because for all I know at this point he radioed his commander (most likely the senior fleet Admiral) for guidance and was told to surrender,but in THAT case the Admiral or whoever was in command over him that may have made the decision needs to be court-martialed,send to the Naval Prison for several years,and released from prison with no retirement pay or benefits. If the decision to surrender a US-FLAGGED WAR VESSEL without firing a shot was made by a civilian in the food chain like the Sec or the Navy,congress needs to bring charges of dereliction of duty or similar charges against him or her. Same if the decision was made by the Off-White House. WHEN YOU SURRENDER A MILITARY VESSEL FLYING THE US FLAG,YOU ARE IN ESSENCE SURRENDERING A PART OF AMERICAN SOIL,AND YOU DO NOT DO THAT WITHOUT A FIGHT! Probably right . The Pueblo was captured in 1968 by the NORKs . The crew suffered almost a year of torture before they were released after the US apologized to the NORKs 1975 the Mayaguez was captured by the Cambodians . Although President Ford ordered a swift response , 41 American troops died in the rescue.
#46. To: tomder55 (#45)
They died because it was a botched operation put together using people who had never worked together and commanded by people with no experience in running raids. All those Marines died (I think they were mostly Marines) because of a presidential order and none of the Marine brass having the brass to admit they were unqualified to pull it off,or maybe even worse,so ignorant they didn't realize a hostage rescue wasn't the same as a beach invasion. Today we have the Joint Special Operations Command that ties together all the various services and their Special Operations people with the military people on the conventional side,and the actual shooters in the assault forces are VERY experienced commandoes instead of PFC's led by NCO's with 2 enlistments. Being a joint command,they even have the power and the experience to cherry pick what units from what branches of the military they think would be best suited for each mission due to equipment,experience,and training. When a hostage rescue force hits the tarmac today,there ain't NOTHING haphazard about the operation.
your memory on past mistakes is amazing, I'm surprised we didn't get Gulf of Tonkin thrown in but then you won that one, or did you? Tom I think incidents like this recent one demonstrates that the current generation isn't up to the task, and the leadership is seriously wanting. Why conduct exercises in an area where there is likely to be an incident or dispute? arn't the seas big enough to play in elsewhere?
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Apparently, small British and American boats keep "straying" into Iranian territorial waters. British navy crew arrives home from Iran
#36. To: TooConservative (#2)
#38. To: A K A Stone (#36)
Good memory you have.
Anyway, you certainly knew about the incident at the time.
Searching for: British sailors Iran
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Post Date: 2007-03-23 21:23:08 by A K A Stone
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Fifteen British navy personnel captured at gunpoint by Iranian forces had sailed into Iran's waters illegally, its government has insisted. An Iranian official said Tehran had made a "firm protest" about the "illegal entry" in the Gulf. The UK maintains the eight sailors and seven marines had been carrying out routine duties in Iraqi waters. The personnel, who are thought to be unharmed, were seized at 1030 local time after boarding a boat in the Gulf. Iranian and UK diplomats have met in Tehran and London in the wake of the incident. Ibrahim Rahimpour, Iran's director general for Western European affairs, said he had met the UK's charge d'affaires, ...
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Post Date: 2007-03-23 12:41:20 by A K A Stone
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BASRA, Iraq (Reuters) - Iranian forces seized 15 British Royal Navy personnel who had searched a merchant ship on Friday, Britain said, triggering a diplomatic crisis at a time of heightened tensions over Tehran's nuclear ambitions. Britain said the incident took place in Iraqi waters, where it routinely searches merchant vessels with UN permission. In London, Foreign Office Permanent Undersecretary Sir Peter Ricketts summoned Iranian ambassador Rasoul Movahedian. A spokesman said: "The meeting was brisk but cordial. Sir Peter demanded the safe return of our personnel and equipment." The incident took place a day after Iran launched a week of naval war games along its ...
#39. To: All, cranky, redleghunter, A K A Stone, Stoner, GarySpFc, sneakypete, tomder55, nativist nationalist, SOSO (#38)
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#40. To: TooConservative, All, cranky, redleghunter, A K A Stone, Stoner, GarySpFc, sneakypete, tomder55, nativist nationalist, SOSO (#39)
#43. To: tomder55, *Military or Vets Affairs* (#40)
Looks very similar to the pose the jihadist put their victims in before the beheadings begin. I'm sure that was exactly the image the 12er scum wanted the ummah to see. The Geneva Conventions ban the practive of parading captives for purposes of insult and propaganda .
#45. To: sneakypete (#43)
Looks very similar to the pose the jihadist put their victims in before the beheadings begin. I'm sure that was exactly the image the 12er scum wanted the ummah to see. The Geneva Conventions ban the practive of parading captives for purposes of insult and propaganda . Let's put the blame for this squarely where it belongs,on the shoulders of the US Navy Commander that surrendered TWO FLAGGED US NAVY GUNBOATS WITHOUT FIRING A SHOT!
Replies to Comment # 45. 1975 the Mayaguez was captured by the Cambodians . Although President Ford ordered a swift response , 41 American troops died in the rescue.
#47. To: tomder55 (#45)
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