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Foreign Invaders crisis cost $150B in 2023, forcing some areas to cut police and fire services: report Israel kills head of Hezbollah Intelligence. Status: Not Logged In; Sign In International News See other International News Articles Title: Liberating a key Iraqi city from ISIS was 'a victory in the worst possible sense' Source: [None] URL Source: http://www.businessinsider.com/ramadi-isis-iraq-ali-khedery-2016-1 Published: Jan 12, 2016 Author: Pamala Engel/Ali Khedery Post Date: 2016-01-12 12:12:33 by interpreter Keywords: None Views: 2398 Comments: 31 "Ramadi I think was a victory in the worst possible sense in that … there really wasn’t much left of Ramadi by the time it had been deemed 'liberated,'" Ali Khedery told Business Insider. "This seems like the 100th battle for Ramadi since 2003." POSTER COMMENT Ramadi is the first of 3 prophesied cities to be laid waste in the Battle of Ar Mageddon. (See Revelation 18). Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest #1. To: interpreter (#0) Ramadi is the first of 3 prophesied cities to be laid waste in the Battle of Ar Mageddon. That is BS. Pericles  posted on  2016-01-12   12:56:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #2. To: Pericles (#1) That is BS. Raqqa is next. interpreter  posted on  2016-01-12   13:05:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #3. To: interpreter (#2) Those cities are not mentioned in the New Testament. So that link is BS. Pericles  posted on  2016-01-12   15:06:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #4. To: interpreter (#0) (Edited) Just for the record See Revelation 18 The Fall of Babylon 1 After this I saw another angel coming down from heaven. He had great authority, and the earth was illuminated by his splendor.    2 With a mighty voice he shouted: "Fallen! Fallen is Babylon the Great! She has become a home for demons and a haunt for every evil spirit, a haunt for every unclean and detestable bird.     3 For all the nations have drunk the maddening wine of her adulteries. The kings of the earth committed adultery with her, and the merchants of the earth grew rich from her excessive luxuries."     4 Then I heard another voice from heaven say: "Come out of her, my people, so that you will not share in her sins, so that you will not receive any of her plagues;   5 for her sins are piled up to heaven, and God has remembered her crimes.   6 Give back to her as she has given; pay her back double for what she has done. Mix her a double portion from her own cup.    7 Give her as much torture and grief as the glory and luxury she gave herself. In her heart she boasts, 'I sit as queen; I am not a widow, and I will never mourn.'   8 Therefore in one day her plagues will overtake her: death, mourning and famine. She will be consumed by fire, for mighty is the Lord God who judges her.   9 "When the kings of the earth who committed adultery with her and shared her luxury see the smoke of her burning, they will weep and mourn over her.     10 Terrified at her torment, they will stand far off and cry: " 'Woe! Woe, O great city, O Babylon, city of power! In one hour your doom has come!'    11 "The merchants of the earth will weep and mourn over her because no one buys their cargoes any more--    12 cargoes of gold, silver, precious stones and pearls; fine linen, purple, silk and scarlet cloth; every sort of citron wood, and articles of every kind made of ivory, costly wood, bronze, iron and marble;  13 cargoes of cinnamon and spice, of incense, myrrh and frankincense, of wine and olive oil, of fine flour and wheat; cattle and sheep; horses and carriages; and bodies and souls of men.  14 "They will say, 'The fruit you longed for is gone from you. All your riches and splendor have vanished, never to be recovered.' 15 The merchants who sold these things and gained their wealth from her will stand far off, terrified at her torment. They will weep and mourn    16 and cry out: " 'Woe! Woe, O great city, dressed in fine linen, purple and scarlet, and glittering with gold, precious stones and pearls!   17 In one hour such great wealth has been brought to ruin!' "Every sea captain, and all who travel by ship, the sailors, and all who earn their living from the sea, will stand far off.     18 When they see the smoke of her burning, they will exclaim, 'Was there ever a city like this great city?'    19 They will throw dust on their heads, and with weeping and mourning cry out: " 'Woe! Woe, O great city, where all who had ships on the sea became rich through her wealth! In one hour she has been brought to ruin!     20 Rejoice over her, O heaven! Rejoice, saints and apostles and prophets! God has judged her for the way she treated you.' "   21 Then a mighty angel picked up a boulder the size of a large millstone and threw it into the sea, and said: "With such violence the great city of Babylon will be thrown down, never to be found again.    22 The music of harpists and musicians, flute players and trumpeters, will never be heard in you again. No workman of any trade will ever be found in you again. The sound of a millstone will never be heard in you again.   23 The light of a lamp will never shine in you again. The voice of bridegroom and bride will never be heard in you again. Your merchants were the world's great men. By your magic spell all the nations were led astray.    24 In her was found the blood of prophets and of the saints, and of all who have been killed on the earth." personally I see this as a description of the attack on New York paraclete  posted on  2016-01-12   15:17:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #5. To: paraclete (#4) personally I see this as a description of the attack on New York NYC is still an economic powerhouse with lots of trades. So no. Pericles  posted on  2016-01-12   15:29:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #6. To: interpreter (#0) Is it onky a victory in the worst possible sense because the cia mossade run isis didnt keep the territory they paid the mercs to take over? Titorite2  posted on  2016-01-12   16:09:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #7. To: interpreter (#0) Armageddon is the final battle on the plain and hills of Megiddo. Several major battles have already been fought on these hills/mounds that are the remains of ancient forts that guarded ancient trade routes. Battle of Megiddo refers to one of the major battles fought near the ancient site of Megiddo in the Jezreel Valley of north of Israel: Battle of Megiddo (15th century BC), a battle between Ancient Egyptians led by Pharaoh Thutmose III and a large Canaanite coalition Battle of Megiddo (609 BC), a battle between Egypt and Judea Battle of Megiddo (1918), a battle between British Empire forces and the Ottoman Empire Tooconservative  posted on  2016-01-12   17:43:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #8. To: Titorite2 (#6) Is it onky a victory in the worst possible sense because the cia mossade run isis didnt keep the territory they paid the mercs to take over? I appreciate you guys are forumless at present and missing your home turf. Maybe you don't want to totally 4umize the place. OTOH, you're lucky that AKA is looking for new members at present. Every asylum needs some new inmates from time to time. Tooconservative  posted on  2016-01-12   17:47:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #9. To: TooConservative (#8) Do you even know who stone is? Titorite2  posted on  2016-01-12   18:44:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #10. To: TooConservative (#7) (Edited) Armageddon is the final battle on the plain and hills of Megiddo. Nonsense. There is nothing worth fighting over in Megiddo, or its surrounding plains and/or mountains. Mageddon means sanctuary, and it refers to both the first sanctuary, the Garden of Eden (now Iraq), and to Jerusalem, home to three sanctuaries held dear by the descendants of Abraham. Ar means city and could refer to either Baghdad or Jerusalem. I suspect they will both have to be split three ways. Then there will be peace for a thousand years. interpreter  posted on  2016-01-12   18:57:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #11. To: Titorite2 (#9) Do you even know who stone is? Just that he's owner of LF. Tooconservative  posted on  2016-01-12   20:42:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #12. To: interpreter (#10) Nonsense. There is nothing worth fighting over in Megiddo, or its surrounding plains and/or mountains. Mageddon means sanctuary, and it refers to both the first sanctuary, the Garden of Eden (now Iraq), and to Jerusalem, home to three sanctuaries held dear by the descendants of Abraham. Ar means city and could refer to either Baghdad or Jerusalem. I suspect they will both have to be split three ways. Then there will be peace for a thousand years. Ah, you've taken the full dose of crazy pills. I don't generally argue with the Left Behinders. Too stressful. Tooconservative  posted on  2016-01-12   20:44:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #13. To: TooConservative (#11) Just that he's owner of LF. Aye that he is. Most interesting fellow. Titorite2  posted on  2016-01-12   20:53:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #14. To: interpreter (#10) There is nothing worth fighting over in Megiddo You think there is anything worth fighting for in Syria and yet the world is fighting there, Megiddo is just over the hill and is an ideal place for a battle but more importantly it is a crossroads between Africa, Asia and Europe. Armageddon is a battle between races and we have all the ingredients for it paraclete  posted on  2016-01-13   5:13:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #15. To: paraclete, interpreter (#14) You think there is anything worth fighting for in Syria and yet the world is fighting there, Megiddo is just over the hill and is an ideal place for a battle but more importantly it is a crossroads between Africa, Asia and Europe. Yeah, I also didn't grasp why Megiddo as a site for a final battle was somehow insufficient. Geography alone makes it a credible enough choice in a number of scenarios involving a final battle for control of Israel as a holy land and Jewish homeland. Certainly, Armageddon was an established Greek term (Harmagedon) during the era of Jesus and His disciples. It refers to the cities/forts built on a certain hill, composed of 26 different layers of settlements rebuilt through the ages after conquests. The word "Armageddon" appears only once in the Greek New Testament, in Revelation 16:16. The word is translated to Greek from Hebrew har mYgiddô (הר מגידו), har - Strong H2022 - meaning "a mountain or range of hills (sometimes used figuratively): - hill (country), mount (-ain), X promotion." This is a shortened form of Harar - Strong H2042 - "to loom up; a mountain; -hill, mount". Megiddo - Strong מְגִדּוֹן H4023 /meg-id-do'/ "Megiddon or Megiddo, a place of crowds.")[4] "Mount" Tel Megiddo is not actually a mountain, but a tell (a hill created by many generations of people living and rebuilding on the same spot)[5] on which ancient forts were built to guard the Via Maris, an ancient trade route linking Egypt with the northern empires of Syria, Anatolia and Mesopotamia. Megiddo was the location of various ancient battles, including one in the 15th century BC and one in 609 BC. Modern Megiddo is a town approximately 25 miles (40 km) west-southwest of the southern tip of the Sea of Galilee in the Kishon River area.[6] So, throughout the ancient era, this was a well-known city/fort in the area vital to protecting a major trade route. It also laid along the path of conquest for any empire wanting to conquer Egypt (or get close enough to try). Tooconservative  posted on  2016-01-13   9:19:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #16. To: TooConservative (#15) (Edited) So, throughout the ancient era, this was a well-known city/fort in the area vital to protecting a major trade route. No one cares what it was in ancient history. Megiddo is nothing today but ruins. I am a Jew and I know exactly what Ar Mageddon means. It means City of the Sanctuary. The Battle of Ar Mageddon begins when the Euphrates is dried up. It was dried up by Saddam Hussein to prepare the way for the kings of the east in the Battle of Ar Mageddon, as prophesied, and it was dry on 9/11. interpreter  posted on  2016-01-13   20:08:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #17. To: paraclete (#14) You think there is anything worth fighting for in Syria and yet the world is fighting there, Megiddo is just over the hill and is an ideal place for a battle but more importantly it is a crossroads between Africa, Asia and Europe. Armageddon is a battle between races and we have all the ingredients for it There are many Christians in Iraq and Syria who need to be protected, and it is the cradle of civilization, called the Garden of Eden in the Bible, and a Sanctuary of God. Ar Mageddon is the final battle between 3 religions, the Jews, Christians and Muslims. interpreter  posted on  2016-01-13   20:21:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #18. To: interpreter (#16) No one cares what it was in ancient history. Megiddo is nothing today but ruins. I am a Jew and I know exactly what Ar Mageddon means. It means City of the Sanctuary. Once you turn everything into a prophecy allegory, you can make any kind of assertion about it. The word is found once in Christian scripture and it has no disavowal that anything other than the tell of Megiddo is meant by the word. Any ancient Jew or Christian would read that one word and understand it to mean the ancient city/fort and the surrounding area. Tooconservative  posted on  2016-01-13   20:30:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #19. To: TooConservative (#18) The word is found once in Christian scripture More like 12 times. A K A Stone  posted on  2016-01-13   20:39:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #20. To: A K A Stone (#19) Nope, just once according to Strong's list. Revelation 16:16 KJV http://www.biblestudytools.com/kjv/revelation/16-16.html 16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon. Same results with all the popular bible translations. Armageddon is a specific word and had a specific meaning. Often, by people talking about it at great length or expounding and trying to connect other verses to it, they make it sound like Armageddon is every tenth word in the Bible. But it isn't. Rev. 16:16 is the only reference. And it is a word whose meaning was well-established in ancient times. Educated Jews would have known that word. Scripture was never written for the illiterate. They assumed a certain basic knowledge by the reader. Tooconservative  posted on  2016-01-13   21:16:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #21. To: TooConservative (#12) I don't generally argue with the Left Behinders. Too stressful. THANK YOU. Bible prophecy is absolutely hopeless -- no interpretation ever actually works, or works out -- and God doesn't want any clock watchers. In addition, it's just another big placebo or substitute for action. The more people stand on the hilltop looking for the second coming, the more liberals still the ground right from under them. God never tells us to sit back and let evildoers take over but that's about what churchianity amounts to. "Liberating a key Iraqi city from ISIS was 'a victory in the worst possible sense'" -- that's us! It's what we DO in the Jew Age, mauling everybody Israel hates and calling it liberation. We "make a desert, and call it peace." Now there's an ancient prophecy (Tacitus) that fits America to a T! America is indeed Babylon the great, "the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird" if anybody's looking for one per Revelation 18 etc. NeoconsNailedAgain  posted on  2016-01-13   22:07:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #22. To: TooConservative (#20) My bad I was talking about Megiddo. A K A Stone  posted on  2016-01-13   22:36:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #23. To: TooConservative (#18) (Edited) Once you turn everything into a prophecy allegory, you can make any kind of assertion about it. The word is found once in Christian scripture and it has no disavowal that anything other than the tell of Megiddo is meant by the word. Any ancient Jew or Christian would read that one word and understand it to mean the ancient city/fort and the surrounding area. You are as wrong as can be. Megiddo and its variant, Mageddon mean sanctuary as any Jew knows. The ancient city of Megiddo acquired that name because it was the site a sanctuary dedicated to a foreign God (and the Jews consequently destroyed it). The modern word, ghetto, originally meaning a sanctuary for Jews, is a shortened form of the word Megiddo. It is found many times in the OT and always means Sanctuary. interpreter  posted on  2016-01-14   10:10:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #24. To: TooConservative (#20) Once you turn everything into a prophecy allegory, you can make any kind of assertion about it. The word is found once in Christian scripture and it has no disavowal that anything other than the tell of Megiddo is meant by the word. Any ancient Jew or Christian would read that one word and understand it to mean the ancient city/fort and the surrounding area. Wrong. Mageddon, or Megiddo as it is sometimes spelled in the OT, is found many times in the OT. And it's meaning is indeed well established. It always means Sanctuary according to Strong's, Young's, or any other Hebrew-to-English concordance or transliteration you care to use. And Ar always means City. interpreter  posted on  2016-01-14   10:34:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #25. To: A K A Stone (#19) More like 12 times. Correct. Variations of Mageddo are found 12 times in the Bible. And the meaning is always "Sanctuary." And the meaning of Ar is always city. So there can be no doubt that a world war fought over the City of the Sanctuary signifies either Jerusalem or Baghdad (where the Euphrates recently dried up) or both. interpreter  posted on  2016-01-14   10:51:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #26. To: interpreter (#25) More like 12 times. Correct. Variations of Mageddo are found 12 times in the Bible. And the meaning is always "Sanctuary." And the meaning of Ar is always city. So there can be no doubt that a world war fought over the City of the Sanctuary signifies either Jerusalem or Baghdad (where the Euphrates recently dried up) or both. He was talking about Armageddon only being mentioned once. Misunderstanding. A K A Stone  posted on  2016-01-14   10:53:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #27. To: A K A Stone, interpreter (#26) I rather liked this article on the conquests and rebuilding of Megiddo over the many centuries. BibleArchaeology.info: Megiddo: what happened there Tooconservative  posted on  2016-01-14   11:38:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #28. To: TooConservative (#27) I rather liked this article on the conquests and rebuilding of Megiddo over the many centuries. BibleArchaeology.info: Megiddo: what happened there Bullhockey. That article is so full of it. Nothing of any real historical significance has ever happened at Megiddo, except an ancient unknown pagan cult erected a sanctuary there (thus the name), and it was destroyed when the Jews conquered the Holy Land. So its ancient ruins are pretty much unimportant, to anyone that is, except crazed eschatologists, and definitely not worth fighting a great world-wide war over. interpreter  posted on  2016-01-14   17:05:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #29. To: interpreter (#28) So its ancient ruins are pretty much unimportant, to anyone that is, except crazed eschatologists, and definitely not worth fighting a great world-wide war over. Who knows what it might be in 50 or 100 or a 1000 years? But then, I've discovered that the Left Behinders don't give two flying shits over Armageddon and all the rest unless it means they themselves do not have to die (by getting Raptured instead). The actual language of the passage indicates that the "kings" will be drawn there. Perhaps it will merely be the command post or a conference location they use while their armies are operating across the region around Israel. Tooconservative  posted on  2016-01-14   17:22:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #30. To: TooConservative (#29) Who knows what it might be in 50 or 100 or a 1000 years? But then, I've discovered that the Left Behinders don't give two flying shits over Armageddon and all the rest unless it means they themselves do not have to die (by getting Raptured instead). The actual language of the passage indicates that the "kings" will be drawn there. Perhaps it will merely be the command post or a conference location they use while their armies are operating across the region around Israel. The kings who start Ar Mageddon are the three "kings" pointed to by the Jerusalem-Euphrates vector. That is, a straight line drawn from Jerusalem to the epicenter of where the Euphrates dried up, and then extended eastward, very accurately points to, and bisects, the capitals of the three "demon-possessed" kings of the east who have started the Battle of Ar Mageddon. The first two, in Baghdad and Kabul, have already been dethroned and killed. And the leader(s) in Raqqa is next in line. And I am definitely not a "left-behinder." The "rapture" is a heresy taught by Paul the heretic. The history books say the coming of Jesus with a kingdom was in 312 AD when the sign of Christ appeared in the clouds, and Jesus appeared to St. Constantine and said "By this conquer." That day is called the turning point of history because ever since that day Christian nations have been the dominant force on earth. Instead of a rapture, Constantine sent his messengers with a trumpet and gathered the elect of all the Church together, to Nicea. All the attendees said they felt like they were in heaven. interpreter  posted on  2016-01-14   19:11:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #31. To: interpreter (#25) Variations of Mageddo are found 12 times in the Bible. And the meaning is always "Sanctuary." And the meaning of Ar is always city. So there can be no doubt that a world war fought over the City of the Sanctuary signifies either Jerusalem or Baghdad (where the Euphrates recently dried up) or both. If we take the two words "city" and "sanctuary" and relate it to Christians rather than Jews, does not Vatican City represent both a city and a sanctuary? Is there not a prophecy in Daniel about the destruction of the "city and the sanctuary"? Also, Pope Francis is predicted to be the last pope because the "city of the seven hills will be destroyed".This could be Vatican City as easily as it could be Rome. They could both be said to "sit on seven hills!" Is it possible that the battle of Armageddon or Ar Megeddo is the destruction of Vatican City, and is the final battle, before the return of Jesus, in which the pope is killed? Jesus then returns before a new pope can be elected. If so, we can almost exactly pinpoint the arrival date of The Messiah alpete  posted on  2016-04-26   17:53:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest

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