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politics and politicians Title: Hillary: By ordering “identifying headings” removed, I meant “don’t transmit classified info,” or something HILLARY CLINTON: No. And it wasnt sent. So I think this is another instance where what is common practice, namely, look, I need information, I had some points I had to make and I was waiting for a secure fax that could give me the whole picture, but often times theres a lot of information that isnt at all classified so whatever information can be appropriately transmitted unclassified often was thats true for every agency in the government and anyone who does business with the government. But the important point here is I had great confidence because I had worked with Jake Sullivan for years. Hes the most meticulous, careful person you could do business with, and he knew exactly what was and wasnt appropriate and in fact as the State Department has said, there was no transmission of any classified information. So, its another effort by people looking for something to throw against the wall to see what sticks but theres no there there. DICKERSON: Well this one is a little different since the FBI is investigating this specific question of whether classification was meddled with. Hillary didnt tell Sullivan to remove classified information from the talking points. That e-mail specifically instructed Sullivan to convert the data into an informal document or electronic transmission with no identifying heading in order to transmit it nonsecure. Hillary tries arguing that headings are not classification notices, but classification is noted in headings and thats why they would need to be removed in order to move from a secure transmission to nonsecure transmission. Clearly in this context, identifying headings relate to classification levels. If the information was unclassified, this e-mail would have been entirely unnecessary. As I noted earlier, someone as meticulous and careful as Sullivan would have already known that he didnt need to have unclassified material transmitted securely in the first place. On top of that, Hillary wanted this information urgently. If it was unclassified, why would it be so urgent, and why couldnt Hillary or her immediate team simply dig it up for her? Chuck Ross believes that the information related to an explosive situation in Sudan. An e-mail two days earlier to the one in question dealing with the crisis has been redacted in large part and marked classified: On June 16, Sullivan emailed Clinton: Still inching toward an Abyei deal. He also stated that State Department staff were asking that Clinton might call both Salva Kiir, South Sudans vice president at the time and a leader of the SPLA, and Nafie al Nafie, al-Bashirs assistant. As Clintons email traffic shows, at 5:51 p.m. on June 16, 2011 Sullivan forwarded Clinton an email from Matthew Spence, who then worked at the National Security Council. The email is redacted, but Sullivan added a note to Clinton telling her, youll get tps this eve.
Other email traffic shows that Clinton was seeking the talking points just minutes before she was scheduled to talk to Salva Kiir. And kiir is now locked for 830 am, one Clinton aide wrote. At almost the same time, Bob Woodward told Fox News Sunday that Hillarys living in a bubble. Clearly she wanted to subvert the rules, but the big question is whether the DoJ will allow Hillary to continue to live in that bubble. Woodward also explains that the nonpaper effort is itself a dodge around the rules (via John Fund): WALLACE: Explain that, explain that to the rest of the world here. Whats a nonpaper and what is taking the heading off? WOODWARD: By taking it off, its just a piece of paper that has a bunch of paragraphs. And theres no classification, theres no subject, so its not in the system, so no one can discover it through Freedom of Information Act or some sort of subpoena. I mean, look, here is Hillary Clinton, somebody who worked on the staff of the Nixon impeachment committee, and what was the lesson, one of the lessons from that? Never write anything down. She did years of Whitewater investigations where she was the target, and here, many years later, shes saying oh, lets subvert the rules and writing it out herself? You know, whether thats some sort of crime I think is not the issue. The issue is, it shows she kind of feels immune, that she lives in a bubble, and no one is ever going to find this out. Well, now we have. In other words, its a deception all the way down. Is it a crime? If Sullivan balked at doing this, then not in and of itself, but we dont know whether he did or not and neither does State. But it demonstrates that Hillary was well aware of the import of classified markings and had ordered her aides to defeat that system. That makes her none of it was marked classified excuse moot, and gives any prosecutor within six weeks of passing a bar exam plenty of evidence to pursue a case in federal court especially when more than 1300 other examples of classified transmission and storage through unsecured means exist in the system Hillary forced everyone else to use. Poster Comment: This details exactly what the (supposed) smoking gun amounts to. Post Comment Private Reply Ignore Thread Top Page Up Full Thread Page Down Bottom/Latest Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 3.
#1. To: TooConservative (#0)
Hold on. All they have to do is compare the original classified e-mail with the "unclassified" e-mail that Clinton received. If they're identical, she's screwed. If Jake Sullivan stripped out the classified part and sent her the remainder, she's in the clear.
It isn't clear to me that there was an "original classified e-mail". It seems that the secure fax was down or couldn't handle a rather massive set of talking points for Hitlery to discuss with Russia's Lavrov in a scheduled teleconference. So they resorted to HitleryMail to get the job done.
#4. To: TooConservative (#3)
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No one said there was. There WAS an original classified document they attempted to send by fax. So produce the original classified document and compare that to what she actually received by e-mail. As simple as that.
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