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Title: Toll in Russia raids on Qaeda-run Syria jail rises to 81: monitor
Source: news.yahoo.com
URL Source: http://news.yahoo.com/toll-russia-r ... yria-jail-rises-153607792.html
Published: Jan 10, 2016
Author: AFP
Post Date: 2016-01-10 15:39:34 by Pericles
Keywords: Russia, Syria, al-Qaeda
Views: 2274
Comments: 34

Toll in Russia raids on Qaeda-run Syria jail rises to 81: monitor

AFP

4 hours ago

Beirut (AFP) - At least 81 people, including 23 Al-Qaeda fighters, were killed in Russian strikes on a prison complex run by the jihadist group in Syria's northwest, a monitor said Sunday in a new toll.

The strikes on Saturday targeted an Al-Nusra Front building near a popular market in northwestern Idlib province, according to the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights.

The complex in Maarat Al-Numan housed the group's religious court and a jail.

The dead included 23 Al-Nusra fighters and six non-jihadist rebels who were in the building.

Another 52 people -- including civilians and prisoners in the complex -- were also killed.

At least one child and two women were among the civilians killed in the strikes.

Russian warplanes have been conducting air strikes against the Islamic State organisation and "other terrorist groups" in Syria since September 30.

Although Al-Nusra and IS are both jihadist organisations, they are fierce rivals and regularly clash in Syria.

Al-Nusra also has tense relationships with non-jihadist rebel groups that oppose its extreme interpretation of Islamic law.

In Idlib, it heads a coalition of Islamist and rebel groups known as the Army of Conquest which has expelled regime forces from the province.

Syria's conflict first erupted with anti-government demonstrations in March 2011 but expanded into a war that has left more than 260,000 people dead.

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#1. To: Pericles (#0)

PING!

C'mon! Let me hear you say "DEATH TO RUSSIA!",comrade!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-01-10   16:14:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Pericles (#0)

Russia needs to be a little more selective in their target

paraclete  posted on  2016-01-10   16:15:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: sneakypete (#1) (Edited)

NATO is responsible for the birth of Islamist republics not Russia.

Pericles  posted on  2016-01-11   3:32:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: All (#3)

That was a good hit.

Pericles  posted on  2016-01-11   3:32:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: paraclete (#2)

Russia needs to be a little more selective in their target

They need to develop super-smart bombs that differentiate moderate from the immoderate terrorists and never cause collateral damage.

Perhaps you have some engineering ideas you can share?

A Pole  posted on  2016-01-11   3:44:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Pericles (#3)

NATO is responsible for the birth of Islamist republics not Russia.

You are 100 percent full of shit,comrade. It was your Gawd,Joseph Stalin and the USSR that started arming and encouraging Islamic revolution as a way to weaken the west.

You,he,and the communist philosophy are the turds floating in the punch bowl of civilization.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-01-11   7:51:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: sneakypete, Pericles (#1)

C'mon! Let me hear you say "DEATH TO RUSSIA!",comrade!

After the thousands of dead civilians -- including hundreds of children -- who were murdered by Obama's robot drones (and a somewhat smaller number killed by Bush), we don't have any right to lecture anyone on this.

Or aren't we supposed to count it when we bomb weddings being attended by civilians, nearly all of whom have nothing to do with terrorism?

It may also be that striking directly at what functions as the Supreme Court and prison of the ISIS judicial system, Russia may have given them enough of a bloody nose to prevent the expansion of the ISIS government's reach. If they know Russia will hit their prisons and courts, ISIS will find it hard to get anyone to serve in those courts/prisons.

Tooconservative  posted on  2016-01-11   8:39:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: sneakypete (#6)

It was your Gawd,Joseph Stalin and the USSR that started arming and encouraging Islamic revolution as a way to weaken the west.

That was the Saudi Arabian defender the USA and Reagan re-started the Islamic jihad. The Soviets backed secularists.

Pericles  posted on  2016-01-11   9:12:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: sneakypete, TooConservative (#7)

The USA/NATO were and are allies of the Sunni jihadists - Since Afghanistan we have had regime change after another headed by islamists the USA was giving cover to and for.

Pericles  posted on  2016-01-11   9:15:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Pericles (#0)

The blunt-headed Westerners will cheer this on even though innocents have been sacrified. Sickening. The West kills babies by the millions each year but have the nerve to call the Middle East "immoral" Oh wait, do they even believe in that anymore?

jihadi  posted on  2016-01-11   10:38:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Pericles (#8)

It was your Gawd,Joseph Stalin and the USSR that started arming and encouraging Islamic revolution as a way to weaken the west.

That was the Saudi Arabian defender the USA and Reagan re-started the Islamic jihad. The Soviets backed secularists.

Once again you are full of shit. Either purposely lying,or because you have been programmed and don't know any better.

Personally,I think you are lying because you were soooo careful to put the "re-started" word in place in order to ignore the Soviet guilt,and to damn the west.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-01-11   11:17:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: TooConservative (#7)

After the thousands of dead civilians -- including hundreds of children -- who were murdered by Obama's robot drones (and a somewhat smaller number killed by Bush), we don't have any right to lecture anyone on this.

Don't tell me that you are a clueless fool when it comes to history,also?

Or are you just one more of the assholes with a political agenda that is more important than truth?

The number of innocents that died due to US actions,even under Obomber,is a dust speck compared to the number murdered by the Soviets or at the urging of the Soviets.

Or aren't we supposed to count it when we bomb weddings being attended by civilians, nearly all of whom have nothing to do with terrorism?

More weasel words. I am 100 percent opposed to blowing up buildings full of innocent people. Who isn't?

BUT......,if they are Muslim supporters and relatives on a Jihan leader,kill them all and let Gawd sort them out. You can NOT allow high value targets to hide behind women and children and thumb their noses at you while the plan more mass killings of US innocents. If you do,you are a fool and need to be removed from office/command,or killed yourself.

Guess what,bubba? People die in wars,and the best and quickest way to win wars by killing off the enemy leadership. If they want to hide behind their family members and other relatives and friends,those deaths are on THEM,not us.

It may also be that striking directly at what functions as the Supreme Court and prison of the ISIS judicial system, Russia may have given them enough of a bloody nose to prevent the expansion of the ISIS government's reach. If they know Russia will hit their prisons and courts, ISIS will find it hard to get anyone to serve in those courts/prisons.

Maybe. One thing IS clear,and that is you can give the enemy no safe refuge. Especially not an enemy like Islam.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-01-11   11:25:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: jihadi (#10)

The blunt-headed Westerners will cheer this on even though innocents have been sacrified. Sickening.

Eat shit and die,goat humper. There ARE no innocents in jihad.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-01-11   11:27:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: sneakypete, Pericles (#6)

It was your Gawd,Joseph Stalin and the USSR that started arming and encouraging Islamic revolution as a way to weaken the west.

Good point. In 1923 Stalin was gaining influence (one year before Lenin's death)

So he used British government, to establish radical Islam in Arabia:

"Prior to 1923, Abdulaziz had not risked invading the Hejaz because Hussein bin Ali, King of the Hejaz, was supported by Britain. However, in that year, the British withdrew their support. At a conference in Riyadh in July 1924 complaints were stated against the Hejaz; principally that pilgrimage from Najd was prevented and it boycotted the implementation of certain public policy in contravention of shari'a. Ikhwan units were massed on a large scale for the first time, and under Khalid bin Lu'ayy and Sultan bin Bajad rapidly advanced on Mecca and plundered it, laying waste to symbols of "heathen" practices. The

Ikhwan completed their conquest of the Hejaz by the end of 1925. On 10 January 1926 Abdulaziz declared himself King of the Hejaz and, then, on 27 January 1927 he took the title King of Najd (his previous title was Sultan). The use of the Ikhwan to effect the conquest had important consequences for the Hejaz: The old cosmopolitan society was uprooted, and a radical version of Wahhabi culture was imposed as a new compulsory social order."

So Russians like Stalin are responsible for this mess. Another Russian - Leon Trotsky was responsible for the future rise of neocons.

Russians were behind the 1953 coup that overthrew Mossadeq. Their crafty and successful plan was to push independence-minded, secular and pro-democratic Iranians into embrace of ayatollahs. It took decades but Russians are patient.

Another their stratagem was to invade Afghanistan in order to provoke Islamic reaction.

A Pole  posted on  2016-01-11   11:50:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: jihadi, sneakypete (#10)

The blunt-headed Westerners will cheer this on even though innocents have been sacrified.

As Madeleine Albright wisely said, the deaths of 500,000 Iraqi children were worth it.

A Pole  posted on  2016-01-11   11:56:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: A Pole (#14)

So Russians like Stalin are responsible for this mess. Another Russian - Leon Trotsky was responsible for the future rise of neocons.

I haven't given any thought to Trotsky-neo-cons,but I don't need to think much to understand both are evil gobalist bastards.

Russians were behind the 1953 coup that overthrew Mossadeq. Their crafty and successful plan was to push independence-minded, secular and pro-democratic Iranians into embrace of ayatollahs. It took decades but Russians are patient.

Yes,they are. They,as a people,have a long view-point when it comes to history and change. AFAIK,in the entire history of Russia the only period where the Russian people were free was the brief period when Yeltsin was president. They have seen dictators come and go,and are more focused on survival than actual politics. IMHO,they (most of them,anyway) like Putin based purely on the things he does pumps up Russian pride,which took a HELL of a beating when communism collapsed.

Yeltsin had a real chance to make a difference,but instead the drunken fool mostly used his presidency as a way to line his pockets. It really is a damn shame that happened. The only other people I can think of that has suffered so long without being free are the Chinese.

BTW,I mean "free" in the sense they have some say in how their govenrments and economies are ran,as well as they have the freedom to come and go,and to conduct business. NOT as in "Free to starve and freeze to death in the streets".

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-01-11   12:22:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: sneakypete (#16)

"Russians were behind the 1953 coup that overthrew Mossadeq. Their crafty and successful plan was to push independence-minded, secular and pro-democratic Iranians into embrace of ayatollahs. It took decades but Russians are patient."

Yes,they are. They,as a people,have a long view-point when it comes to history and change.

Are you serious? I wasn't.

A Pole  posted on  2016-01-11   12:27:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: A Pole (#15)

As Madeleine Albright wisely said, the deaths of 500,000 Iraqi children were worth it.

Ahhh,now you are quoting Eastern European Jews?

BTW,where did you get your "500,000 Iraqi children killed by the US" figure from?

BTW-2,I got kicked off of FR forever for being opposed to the Iraqi war,and damning Boy Jorge and his neo-con butt buddies for starting it.

What we SHOULD have done was encouraged Iraq and Iran to bleed each other out while we sold them war goods and food. Baring that,we should have just left them alone. Especially Iraq,which killed more fundie Muslims that every other nation on Earth combines.

Calling Boy Jorge a clueless fool is bragging on him and insulting to clueless fools.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-01-11   12:27:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: A Pole (#17)

Are you serious? I wasn't.

Yes. It was the Russians that started the "spy verus spy" game in Iran and the rest of the Muddle East. They did it in an effort to shut off oil to us and harm our economy,just like they encouraged North Korean to attack South Korea,and started all the conflicts in Africa.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-01-11   12:30:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: sneakypete (#18) (Edited)

"As Madeleine Albright wisely said, the deaths of 500,000 Iraqi children were worth it."

Ahhh,now you are quoting Eastern European Jews?

Most of American Jews are from Eastern Europe. Aren't they Americans? Are you a pure blooded Anglosaxon or other Germanic?

BTW, I suspect that many Anglosaxons think that it was worth to get rid off American Indians.

A Pole  posted on  2016-01-11   13:19:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: sneakypete (#18)

BTW-2,I got kicked off of FR forever for being opposed to the Iraqi war,and damning Boy Jorge and his neo-con butt buddies for starting it.

I commend you for that! Strange thing they did not kick me out for the same, but for criticizing Yeltsin reforms.

JimRob's ways are inscrutable.

A Pole  posted on  2016-01-11   13:24:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: A Pole (#5) (Edited)

They need to develop super-smart bombs that differentiate moderate from the immoderate terrorists and never cause collateral damage.

they can buy these from the US who have obviously been using them for a long time

paraclete  posted on  2016-01-11   15:55:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: A Pole, Pericles (#14)

Russians were behind the 1953 coup that overthrew Mossadeq. Their crafty and successful plan was to push independence-minded, secular and pro-democratic Iranians into embrace of ayatollahs. It took decades but Russians are patient.

Are you insane?

Tooconservative  posted on  2016-01-11   17:17:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: A Pole (#20)

Most of American Jews are from Eastern Europe. Aren't they Americans?

Some are,but most seem to be Jews first,Israeli's second,and Americans for convenience and safety.

Are you a pure blooded Anglosaxon or other Germanic?

No. What does that have to do with anything?

BTW, I suspect that many Anglosaxons think that it was worth to get rid off American Indians.

Most seemed to think that was a good idea back in the 16 and 1700's. Nowadays the government pretty much kisses Indian ass and gives them special privileges that not even any other minority gets.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-01-11   18:23:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: A Pole (#21)

I commend you for that! Strange thing they did not kick me out for the same,

Did you call Jim Bob a Bush-Bot and tell him his head was a quart low?

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-01-11   18:24:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: TooConservative, A Pole, Pericles (#23)

Russians were behind the 1953 coup that overthrew Mossadeq. Their crafty and successful plan was to push independence-minded, secular and pro-democratic Iranians into embrace of ayatollahs. It took decades but Russians are patient.

He knows Moscow was backing Mossadeq,or whatever the booggers name was,and was just being sarcastic.

In a "what goes around comes around" way Moscow/Stalin WAS responsible for the regime change and the Shah coming to power in Iran because the CIA backing the Shah was in direct response to Moscow backing the existing government. If Moscow hadn't been playing World Empire games back then the US wouldn't have given a damn who was in charge there.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-01-11   18:27:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: sneakypete (#26)

In a "what goes around comes around" way Moscow/Stalin WAS responsible for the regime change and the Shah coming to power in Iran because the CIA backing the Shah was in direct response to Moscow backing the existing government. If Moscow hadn't been playing World Empire games back then the US wouldn't have given a damn who was in charge there.

I don't think the Soviets had much of a ground game in Iran in the early Fifties. They were worried then, as now, about the rest of the Turkic/Persian Muslims that were a band of troubled southern Soviet republics along the USSR's southern border.

Tooconservative  posted on  2016-01-11   18:45:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: TooConservative (#27)

I don't think the Soviets had much of a ground game in Iran in the early Fifties. They were worried then, as now, about the rest of the Turkic/Persian Muslims that were a band of troubled southern Soviet republics along the USSR's southern border.

Paranoia is one of the basic Russian personality traits,and for good historic reasons.

They were just doing what they thought they needed to be doing to protect themselves,and you can't blame them for that even if you can blame them for some of the methods they promoted.

We were doing the same in response to the Soviet activity.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-01-11   19:40:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: sneakypete, Pericles (#28)

Paranoia is one of the basic Russian personality traits,and for good historic reasons.

They weren't that involved in Iran, other than wanting to encourage Soviet weapons sales to Iran. These weapons contracts were all lost during the era of Pahlevi as Shah so this was an economic loss to the USSR at a time when they were always desperate for hard currency and trading partners.

The Soviets had every reason to favor an independent non-Western Iran with a leader like Mossadegh. They also would have favored Iran as one of the least Islamic countries in the region, a good influence on the more backward Muslim countries just north of Iran, along the Soviet southern border.

Tooconservative  posted on  2016-01-11   19:58:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: TooConservative (#29)

he Soviets had every reason to favor an independent non-Western Iran with a leader like Mossadegh. They also would have favored Iran as one of the least Islamic countries in the region, a good influence on the more backward Muslim countries just north of Iran, along the Soviet southern border.

No argument there. As I wrote earlier,they were doing what they thought they needed to do to protect themselves.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-01-11   20:00:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: TooConservative (#7)

r aren't we supposed to count it when we bomb weddings being attended by civilians, nearly all of whom have nothing to do with terrorism?

Don't believe everything you read.

"A silly idea is current that good people do not know what temptation means. This is an obvious lie. Only those who try to resist temptation know how strong it is... A man who gives in to temptation after five minutes simply does not know what it would have been like an hour later. That is why bad people, in one sense, know very little about badness. They have lived a sheltered life by always giving in.” ― C.S. Lewis, Mere Christianity

GarySpFC  posted on  2016-01-11   21:59:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: A Pole, TooConservative, Sneakypete (#23)

Russians were behind the 1953 coup that overthrew Mossadeq. Their crafty and successful plan was to push independence-minded, secular and pro-democratic Iranians into embrace of ayatollahs. It took decades but Russians are patient.

Are you insane?

A pole was mocking Pete - he just took everything the USA did with their Islamic allies and then pretended it was "Russia" but Pete took it serioulsy and agreed with A Pole. It's just the funniest think I have ever seen.

Pericles  posted on  2016-01-11   22:35:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: TooConservative (#23)

"Russians were behind the 1953 coup that overthrew Mossadeq. Their crafty and successful plan was to push independence-minded, secular and pro-democratic Iranians into embrace of ayatollahs. It took decades but Russians are patient."

Are you insane?

Looks like that.

A Pole  posted on  2016-01-12   0:51:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Pericles (#32)

A pole was mocking Pete

No,he was trying to mock me.

There is a difference,but I don't expect you to understand it.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-01-12   1:39:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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