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Title: U.S.-led air strikes have cut Islamic State oil revenues
Source: Reuters
URL Source: http://af.reuters.com/article/commoditiesNews/idAFL1N14Q1BN20160106
Published: Jan 6, 2016
Author: Yeganeh Torbati
Post Date: 2016-01-07 03:31:33 by A Pole
Keywords: Syria, Iraq, NATO
Views: 1696
Comments: 27

WASHINGTON Jan 6 (Reuters) - U.S.-led coalition air strikes against Islamic State oil facilities have cut the militant group's oil revenues by about 30 percent since October, a coalition spokesman said on Wednesday.

Islamic State, an adversary the United States calls the wealthiest terrorist group of its kind in history, derives funds from a variety of sources, including sales of oil produced in territory it controls, extortion, and sales of antiquities, experts say.

In October, the U.S. military launched an intensified effort to go after oil infrastructure controlled by Islamic State, dubbed "Tidal Wave II," named after the bombing campaign targeting Romanian oil fields in World War Two.

That effort has consisted so far of 65 air strikes, a Baghdad-based spokesman for the U.S.-led campaign, U.S. Army Colonel Steve Warren, said in a news briefing. Those strikes have cut IS oil revenue by about 30 percent, and cut their production from 45,000 barrels of oil per day to 34,000 bpd, Warren said.

"In addition to chipping away at their so-called caliphate, killing their leaders, we're also hitting them in the pocketbook," Warren said.

Defense officials estimate the group was earning about $47 million per month from oil sales prior to October. (Editing by Doina Chiacu and Andrew Hay)

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#1. To: A Pole (#0)

What about all this financial reporting that has been done on Americans and international entities for years supposedly to detect and block terrorism financing? ISIS has been making money selling oil to Turkey, a NATO ally, and only after Russia starts doing something serious about it, the US decides to get involved?

Tracking money isn't about fighting terrorism. It's about fighting anti-US-foreign policy, and ISIS didn't qualify, and still doesn't.

Without financing, ISIS couldn't exist.

Pinguinite  posted on  2016-01-07   10:22:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: All (#0)

The Russians took out over 1,000 oil trucks in one short period. They deserve the credit.

"A silly idea is current that good people do not know what temptation means. This is an obvious lie. Only those who try to resist temptation know how strong it is... A man who gives in to temptation after five minutes simply does not know what it would have been like an hour later. That is why bad people, in one sense, know very little about badness. They have lived a sheltered life by always giving in.” ― C.S. Lewis, Mere Christianity

GarySpFC  posted on  2016-01-07   12:49:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: GarySpFC, All (#2)

The Russians took out over 1,000 oil trucks in one short period. They deserve the credit.

And they get the credit for Assad as well. Ya win one, ya lose one. Russia is also very directly responsible for Iran's terrorism as well and certainly in "persuading" Obama to be "more flexible" and allow Iran nuke capability. Ya win one, ya lose two or three. Shall we continue to play this game?

потому что Бог хочет это тот путь

SOSO  posted on  2016-01-07   12:55:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: SOSO (#3) (Edited)

Go play your games elsewhere. All I dealt with was cutting.the oil revenues of ISIS.

"A silly idea is current that good people do not know what temptation means. This is an obvious lie. Only those who try to resist temptation know how strong it is... A man who gives in to temptation after five minutes simply does not know what it would have been like an hour later. That is why bad people, in one sense, know very little about badness. They have lived a sheltered life by always giving in.” ― C.S. Lewis, Mere Christianity

GarySpFC  posted on  2016-01-07   12:59:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: GarySpFC (#4)

All I dealt with was cutting.the oil revenues of ISIS.

OK. But remember Mussolini made the trains run on time. What a guy, eh!!.

потому что Бог хочет это тот путь

SOSO  posted on  2016-01-07   13:08:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: SOSO (#5)

The Obama lead Us Coalition paper tiger was trying to take credit for what Russia accomplished.

"A silly idea is current that good people do not know what temptation means. This is an obvious lie. Only those who try to resist temptation know how strong it is... A man who gives in to temptation after five minutes simply does not know what it would have been like an hour later. That is why bad people, in one sense, know very little about badness. They have lived a sheltered life by always giving in.” ― C.S. Lewis, Mere Christianity

GarySpFC  posted on  2016-01-07   13:16:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: SOSO (#3)

And they get the credit for Assad as well.

Assad vs some type of Islamist, so I'd go with Assad too. Another point in their favor. Assad is a monster, the perfect form of government for Mohammedans. They were a pretty good place for rendition too, some AQ guy would get sent to Syria, and end up with a few less fingernails and a much looser tongue.

Non auro, sed ferro, recuperando est patria

nativist nationalist  posted on  2016-01-07   13:46:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: GarySpFC (#6)

The Obama lead Us Coalition paper tiger was trying to take credit for what Russia accomplished.

Obama is just a big of a POS as Putin. The only difference is the nature of the stink.

потому что Бог хочет это тот путь

SOSO  posted on  2016-01-07   13:55:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: nativist nationalist (#7)

Assad vs some type of Islamist, so I'd go with Assad too.

So the U.S. should have left well enough alone in Syria?

потому что Бог хочет это тот путь

SOSO  posted on  2016-01-07   13:56:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: SOSO (#9)

So the U.S. should have left well enough alone in Syria?

We need to let them get on with the business of killing each other. Best of all will be the Sunni-Shia version of the Thirty Years War.

Non auro, sed ferro, recuperando est patria

nativist nationalist  posted on  2016-01-07   14:19:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: SOSO (#9)

So the U.S. should have left well enough alone in Syria?

After five years and failed attempts at financing and training rebels I think that is a sound judgement of the situation. The US should have decryed all attempts at overthrowing government or at the very least stayed out, but they saw Libya as a success rather that the failure it has been

paraclete  posted on  2016-01-07   15:06:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: paraclete (#11)

The US should have decryed all attempts at overthrowing government or at the very least stayed out, but they saw Libya as a success rather that the failure it has been

Very true. When Libya was happening 4 years ago Eliot Spitzer mouthed the multicultural idiocy of the ruling class. The establishment has proven to be so idiotic regarding the Arab spring, they are incompetent about many things, and they must go if we are to preserve our society.

Non auro, sed ferro, recuperando est patria

nativist nationalist  posted on  2016-01-07   15:35:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: GarySpFC (#2)

The Russians took out over 1,000 oil trucks in one short period. They deserve the credit.

We'd been flying planes out with bombloads and a lot of them came back to base with their bombs. We did this for a year or so.

The Russians showed up and hit ISIS oil transport hard in less than a month.

Now we want to play "me too". Apparently, the CIA and State got together and arrived at the astounding conclusion that ISIS needs money and that we should cut off their money.

Our military is still capable enough. What we lack are leaders and resolve. And some kind of coherent foreign policy.

Tooconservative  posted on  2016-01-07   16:01:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: SOSO (#5)

But remember Mussolini made the trains run on time.

Not really true. Historians went back to research the old railway registers (scheduled arrivals/departures) and found very marginal improvements in Italian railways. They credited the bulk of the improvements to major projects which were launched on a few major rail lines years before Mussolini came to power and which came online after he was in power. So he gets credit this way for something he had little to do with.

It seems petty to point it out but it seems to me that people put great stock in these stories and it kinda rubs me the wrong way to see a myth achieve such prominence and durability.

It's an example of something that everyone "knows" but it is still just a historical fiction.

Tooconservative  posted on  2016-01-07   16:08:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: TooConservative (#13)

Apparently, the CIA and State got together and arrived at the astounding conclusion that ISIS needs money and that we should cut off their money.

Perhaps with time they might discover something called logistics.

Non auro, sed ferro, recuperando est patria

nativist nationalist  posted on  2016-01-07   16:28:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: nativist nationalist (#15)

Now you're being completely unrealistic.     : )

Tooconservative  posted on  2016-01-07   16:44:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Pinguinite (#1)

Without financing, ISIS couldn't exist.

Absolutely correct.

What everybody has to understand is that the globalists who have been profiting from the sale of oil by ISIS need some time to shift their money to the oil companies that will be making money by selling oil to ISIS.

You don't really want them to lose profits just to help defeat Islam,do you? Wadda yew,some sort commie?

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-01-07   17:39:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: GarySpFC (#2)

The Russians took out over 1,000 oil trucks in one short period. They deserve the credit.

Yeah,but days crackas. Ebil white debbils,whut dun stolen stuff like match frum de noble black mans.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-01-07   17:41:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: TooConservative (#13)

Apparently, the CIA and State got together and arrived at the astounding conclusion that ISIS needs money and that we should cut off their money.

I wish someone with the ability would take a VERY close look out of who has been profiting from the ISIS oil sales. That would pretty much tell us who has been behind our not bombing them.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-01-07   17:45:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: SOSO, GarySpFC (#3)

And they get the credit for Assad as well. Ya win one, ya lose one.

You cannot count SOSO. Saving Assad from the fate of Qaddafi is a plus, so you get two.

Then saving Syria from the fate of Libya is a double plus, so you get four.

Saving Syrian Christians is another double plus.

A Pole  posted on  2016-01-07   17:46:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: SOSO (#5)

But remember Mussolini made the trains run on time.

Weird logic, you must make trains late to differ from Mussolini, and protect Mafia (Mussolini was persecuting them)

A Pole  posted on  2016-01-07   17:49:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: SOSO (#8)

Obama is just a big of a POS as Putin. The only difference is the nature of the stink.

What about you?

A Pole  posted on  2016-01-07   17:50:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: sneakypete (#19)

I wish someone with the ability would take a VERY close look out of who has been profiting from the ISIS oil sales.

ISIS and President Erdogan's family in Turkey, it seems.

Most of the oil is being consumed within the region apparently. No real signs it is going to Africa or Asia.

Oil is a fragile supply chain. You have to have wells, pipelines or trucks or trains, some kind of refining plants. It isn't that hard to figure out how to disrupt it.

OTOH, the bleeding hearts keep saying that post-war Syria will need those plants and the personnel and the truck drivers to rebuild their economy. And cutting off supplies for diesel to run vehicles, generators will just accelerate the numbers of refugees heading for Europe and elsewhere. They have somewhat of a point but that is ultimately just an excuse.

You cut off the oil and revenue and hit them hard, they'll collapse and retrench and you can recapture a lot of their territory and hold it and re-establish diesel supplies. Russia is ideally situated for temporary diesel supply and to help rebuild refining capacity if needed.

Tooconservative  posted on  2016-01-07   18:02:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: TooConservative (#13) (Edited)

Our military is still capable enough. What we lack are leaders and resolve. And some kind of coherent foreign policy

what you military lacks is the leash taken off. Your administration has become scared of being accused of killing one civilian and so allows the Syrians and the rebels to kill many. Everyone has forgotten the principle of the greater good, that to kill many Daesh with the loss of one civilian is acceptable. The administration killed many in Afghanistan or Pakistan without being overly concerned about civilians, presence of Talaban was enough. The same rules should apply in Iraq and Syria. If Daesh come to realise human shields will not save them, they will apply different tactics. The US did not count the cost of 200,000 japanese civilians before their death and should not count the cost in the ME before it happens. The allies didn't count the cost of german lives in WWII before they happened, what makes arab populations in the ME special? People who are still in the region controlled by Daesh have to be suspect daesh sympathesisers

You cannot fight a war with one hand tied behind your back, the russians know this, thus they are more successful than the US

paraclete  posted on  2016-01-07   19:13:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: paraclete (#24)

what you military lacks is the leash taken off. Your administration has become scared of being accused of killing one civilian and so allows the Syrians and the rebels to kill many. Everyone has forgotten the principle of the greater good, that to kill many Daesh with the loss of one civilian is acceptable.

I'm trying hard to find something to disagree with but you seem to be hitting a home run here.     : )

Of course, once you agree on something, these threads become boring.

The US did not count the cost of 200,000 japanese civilians before their death and should not count the cost in the ME before it happens. The allies didn't count the cost of german lives in WWII before they happened, what makes arab populations in the ME special?

We did calculate. If you consider the lives of the Chinese, Koreans and other occupied and enslaved Asian nations, we made the correct choice with the Bomb. Having so cruelly abused their neighbors (the Chinese alone lost 20 million to the Japanese invaders over more than a decade), it would be further cruelty to say that hundreds of thousands more Chinese should die if we refrained from crushing Japan with the Bomb. Someone was going to die. It was better for the Japanese to die than the terribly abused Chinese to suffer more losses. Much the same can be said for the suffering inflicted by the Germans on occupied nations who were also suffering and the huge losses the Germans had inflicted on the peoples of the USSR.

So maybe we aren't 100% in agreement after all.     : )

Tooconservative  posted on  2016-01-07   19:53:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: TooConservative (#25) (Edited)

So maybe we aren't 100% in agreement after all

I think we are in 100% agreement, just approaching the issue from different angles. We are both saying that Daesh should not be allowed to continue because when we count the misery and death they have caused and continue to cause this is sufficient evidence to warrant their immediate destruction even if there is collateral damage. We seem to stumble over the problem that in Iraq and Syria there are what we think are captive populations and that Daesh has no population backing them. To the contrary Daesh have taken over sunni areas, they have no significant presence in shiia areas and this points to the probability that, at least, some among those populations have joined daesh or support them. In fact based on history it is likely most support them otherwise they would have left. It can be shown that there are former iraqi solders among Daesh and it is to be expected thay actively recruit among the population

paraclete  posted on  2016-01-07   21:08:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: A Pole (#22)

Obama is just a big of a POS as Putin. The only difference is the nature of the stink.

What about you?

Me? I make the observation that both Putin and Obama are pure, huge POS. What about you?

потому что Бог хочет это тот путь

SOSO  posted on  2016-01-08   19:01:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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