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War in Ukraine Turns on Russia what happened during total solar eclipse Israel Attacks Iran, Report Says - LIVE Breaking News Coverage Earth is Scorched with Heat Antiwar Activists Chant ‘Death to America’ at Event Featuring Chicago Alderman Vibe Shift A stream that makes the pleasant Rain sound. Status: Not Logged In; Sign In International News See other International News Articles Title: North Korea says tested hydrogen nuclear device Source: Aol Reuters URL Source: [None] Published: Jan 6, 2016 Author: Gopalakrishnan Post Date: 2016-01-06 00:44:22 by rlk Keywords: None Views: 1533 Comments: 34 North Korea says tested hydrogen nuclear device Jan 5th 2016 10:46PM South Korean Military Report Indicates North Korea May Be Preparing for Fourth Nuclear Test UPDATE: SEOUL, Jan 6 (Reuters) - North Korea said it had successfully conducted a test of a miniaturized hydrogen nuclear device on Wednesday morning. The announcement on North Korean state TV followed detection of a 5.1 magnitude earthquake near its known nuclear test site earlier on Wednesday. The nuclear test is the fourth by the isolated country, which is under U.S. and UN sanctions for its nuclear and missile programs. EARLIER: SEOUL, Jan 6 (Reuters) - North Korea is "likely" to have conducted a nuclear test on Wednesday that caused an earthquake near a known testing site in the isolated country, the South Korean and Japanese governments said. The United States Geological Survey reported a 5.1 magnitude quake that South Korea said was 49 km (30 miles) from the Punggye-ri site where the North has conducted nuclear tests in the past. "We suspect a man-made earthquake and are analyzing the scale and epicenter of the quake," a Korea Meteorological Administration official told Reuters by phone. North Korea plans a major announcement at 0330 GMT, South Korean media said. South Korea's presidential office convened an emergency security meeting while Japan's chief government spokesman said the earthquake was likely caused by a nuclear test. The U.S. Defense Department is "looking into reports of a possible seismic event near North Korea's nuclear facilities," a U.S. official said. While the USGS put the depth of the earthquake at 10 km, the South Korean agency said it was near the surface. The earthquake was detected just after 10 a.m. Seoul time (0100 GMT). North Korea, under U.N. sanctions for its nuclear and missile programs, has so far conducted three nuclear tests - in 2006, 2009 and 2013 - all at Punggye-ri, near where the earthquake took place. The 2013 test registered at 5.1 on the USGS scale. It is not yet known if North Korea has successfully miniaturized a nuclear device small enough to be used as a warhead on a ballistic missile, but the likelihood of the isolated country successfully miniaturizing a device increases with each test. South Korean stocks and the won currency fell slightly after reports of the likely test on Wednesday, and foreign exchange authorities were suspected by dealers to have intervened. (Reporting by Seoul bureau; Editing by Raju Gopalakrishnan) Poster's note: The kid running things over there is nuts and dangerous. Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 17. #2. To: rlk (#0) North Korea, under U.N. sanctions for its nuclear and missile programs, has so far conducted three nuclear tests - in 2006, 2009 and 2013 - all at Punggye-ri, near where the earthquake took place. If they even have a nuke. No evidence is ever produced. The earlier three "tests" were all equally consistent with a big explosion of conventional explosives. It isn't like we have any kind of intel to prove these are nukes. And now we have a "miniaturized hydrogen bomb" which is, if you know anything about them, a rather strange way to describe it. And yet we have only a "likely" nuclear detonation. I don't consider NKorea a nuclear power. If they had a real nuke, we'd see a demonstration. They love to demonstrate every other weapon they have but they act like they're hiding some shameful secret when it comes to these supposed nuclear tests. Tooconservative  posted on  2016-01-06   3:50:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #3. To: TooConservative (#2) (Edited) I don't consider NKorea a nuclear power. If they had a real nuke, we'd see a demonstration. They love to demonstrate every other weapon they have but they act like they're hiding some shameful secret when it comes to these supposed nuclear tests. "Appear weak when you are strong, and strong when you are weak. Do they appear to you strong or weak? Faulty Perception: The United States was caught by surprise because, within political and military leadership circles in Washington, the perception existed that only the Soviets could order an invasion by a “client state” and that such an act would be a prelude to a world war. Washington was confident that the Soviets were not ready to take such a step, and, therefore, that no invasion would occur. This perception, and indeed its broad acceptance within the Washington policy community, is clearly stated in a 19 June CIA paper on DRPK military capabilities.[10] The paper said that “The DPRK is a firmly controlled Soviet satellite that exercises no independent initiative and depends entirely on the support of the USSR for existence.” The report noted that while the DPRK could take control of parts of the South, it probably did not have the capability to destroy the South Korean government without Soviet or Chinese assistance. This assistance would not be forthcoming because the Soviets did not want general war. The Department of State and the military intelligence organizations of the Army, Navy, and Air Force concurred. Washington’s strategic theme also played well in Tokyo, where General MacArthur and his staff refused to believe that any Asians would risk facing certain defeat by threatening American interests. This belief caused them to ignore warnings of the DPRK military buildup and mobilization near the border, clearly the “force protection” intelligence that should have been most alerting to military minds. It was a strong and perhaps arrogantly held belief, which did not weaken even in the face of DPRK military successes against US troops in the summer of 1950. It grew even stronger within military circles in Tokyo as American and UN forces pushed back the DPRK troops in the fall of 1950. By then, it had become an article of faith within the FEC, personally testified to by MacArthur,that no Asian troops could stand up to American military might without being annihilated. This attitude, considered a “fact” within the FEC and constantly repeated to the Washington political and military leadership, resulted in the second strategic blunder—the surprise Chinese intervention in the war. [...] On 28 July, the CIA Weekly Summary stated that 40,000 to 50,000 ethnic Korean soldiers from PLA units might soon reinforce DPRK forces. The article concluded, however, that there were no indications that the Soviets were prepared to use Chinese reinforcements. This blending of tactical warnings about possible Chinese units—first composed of ethnic Korean soldiers and then of Chinese “volunteers”—and strategic analysis that no indications existed of Soviet intentions to have the Chinese intervene, became the preferred art form for most Agency reporting through late November. It continued to be based on the perception that Soviet priorities and objectives would direct any Chinese actions. [...] Discounting the Chinese Threat In the face of these warnings, the JCS instructed MacArthur to continue his advance north to destroy the DPRK armed forces as long as there was no threat of a major Chinese or Soviet intervention. These instructions were based upon a National Security Council decision made before the Inchon landing.[26] The Secretary of State also disregarded these warnings, telling the press that Chinese intervention would be “sheer madness.” By the end of the month, the US Ambassador in Moscow reported that Soviet and Chinese contacts told both the British and Dutch Ambassadors that if foreign troops cross the 38th parallel, China would intervene.[27] This specific warning was also repeated to various journalists, and on 29 September, the Associated Press in Moscow reported that both China and the Soviet Union would take a “grave view” of US forces crossing the 38th parallel.[28] Finally, at the end of the month, in a major public policy address celebrating the first anniversary of the establishment of the People’s Republic of China, Zhou En-lai branded the United States as China’s worst enemy and stated that China will not allow a neighbor to be invaded.[29] Once again, these warnings were ignored, and US-UN forces continued to push the DRPK forces northward. On 2 October, Mao cabled Stalin advising that China would intervene and asked for Soviet military assistance.[30] Three days later, the CCP Central Committee officially decided to intervene.[31] US intelligence, however, continued its reporting theme that while Chinese capability was present, Chinese intent was lacking. On 6 October, the US Joint Intelligence Indications Committee stated that the Chinese capability to intervene had grown, but the Chinese threat to do so was questionable.[32] That same day, the CIA Weekly Summary advised that the possibility of Soviet or Chinese intervention continued to diminish. It also restated the belief that Soviet requirements would drive any such decision. Two days later, the Soviet position was delivered to the Chinese. Stalin advised Mao that the USSR could not provide the military supplies and air cover over Manchuria that Mao had requested. [...] https://www.cia.gov/library/center-for-the-study-of-intelligence/csi-publications/csi-studies/studies/fall_winter_2001/article06.html A Pole  posted on  2016-01-06   4:36:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #6. To: A Pole (#3) If you want to pretend it's still 1950, have at it. "Appear weak when you are strong, and strong when you are weak. I know you are fond of reasoning from cheesy slogans but, as I pointed out, NKorea goes out of its way to try to demonstrate that it is a major military power, even a superpower in internal propaganda. So your slogan is kinda worthless. I think you can provide few, if any, examples from history of countries deliberately following a policy of projecting weakness to their foes. Tooconservative  posted on  2016-01-06   5:14:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #7. To: TooConservative (#6) (Edited) think you can provide few, if any, examples from history of countries deliberately following a policy of projecting weakness to their foes. You project weakness when you are convinced that your enemy will attack you or you decided to attack him You project strength when you believe that you can scare him off or if you want him to become demoralized before your attack. "In his 52 BC conquest of Gaul, Julius Caesar successfully used tactical deception to achieve a crossing of the Allier river. His opponent, Vercingetorix, shadowed Caesar's force from the opposite bank, contesting any attempted crossing. Caesar camped overnight in a wood; when departing the following day he left a third of his force behind, splitting down the remainder to appear as his full strength. Once the coast was clear, the hidden forces rebuilt a smashed crossing and established a bridgehead." Mongol armies also used the feigned withdrawal; the mangudai were a suicide vanguard unit that would charge the enemy, break and retreat to try and draw the enemy into more favourable ground. Mongol warlords also made use of disinformation tactics, spreading (or encouraging) rumours about the size and effectiveness of their forces. They even made use of visual deception; cavalry often kept numerous reserve horses, and these were mounted with straw dummies. On the battlefield the Mongols used many tactical deceptions, from lighting fires as a smokescreen to luring opponents into traps." "Maskirovka [masking] was put into practice on a large scale in the Battle of Kursk, especially on the Steppe Front commanded by Ivan Konev. The result was that the Germans attacked Russian forces four times stronger than they were expecting. The German general Friedrich von Mellenthin wrote "The horrible counter-attacks, in which huge masses of manpower and equipment took part, were an unpleasant surprise for us... The most clever camouflage of the Russians should be emphasized again. We did not .. detect even one minefield or anti-tank area until .. the first tank was blown up by a mine or the first Russian anti-tank guns opened fire". " Vietnam The American involvement in Vietnam saw little improvement with regard to implementing deception at the operational or strategic level. Although some American units did, in fact, execute rudimentary deception at the tactical level, Americans once again relied instead on superior firepower and technology to win its battles.74 The North Vietnamese, by contrast, used deception to devastating effect at the tactical and operational level. At the tactical level, a common practice of the North Vietnamese was to ambush a small South Vietnamese or U.S. unit in order to lure larger relief forces into a bigger ambush. This technique proved highly successful initially for the enemy." " Another example of large-scale Soviet deception occurred in the preparation of the Manchurian Campaign in 1945, which allowed the Soviets to achieve strategic surprise over the Japanese. Stalin had promised at the February 1945 Yalta Conference to assist the Allies in the war against Japan within three months of the surrender of Germany, but in fact, had intended to attack into Manchuria in late summer-early autumn 1945 to clear the Japanese from the area prior to the onset of winter.94 However, Stalin’s hand was forced due to the atomic bombing of Hiroshima on 6 August and as a consequence, the Soviets crossed the Manchurian border on 9 August, achieving total surprise over the Japanese.95 Preparations for the campaign actually began in late 1944, and from December 1944 through July 1945, the Soviets shipped two military fronts, two field armies, one tank army and supporting war material from Europe via the Trans-Siberian railroad to the Manchurian border.96 By August, the Soviets established a Far East Command complete with 1.6 million personnel, 27,000 guns and mortars, 1,200 multiple rocket launchers, 5,600 tanks, and self-propelled guns, 3,700 aircraft and 86,000 vehicles along a 5,000-kilometer front against the Japanese.97 The Soviets were also able to conceal supplies provided by the U.S. that crossed the Pacific. The Kwantung Army was taken completely by surprise. Although it occupied good defensive positions it had not expected to fight and was not fully manned. Many of its best troops had been transferred to other theaters, all but six of its remaining divisions were manned with newer troops and some of its units were down to fifteen percent.98 The Soviets ability to integrate deception and subsequently achieve virtually total surprise over the Japanese had a lasting effect on the potential for deception for Russian military theorist and planners." A Pole  posted on  2016-01-06   6:02:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #12. To: A Pole (#7) "In his 52 BC conquest of Gaul, Julius Caesar successfully used tactical deception blah blah blah... As I said, you cannot provide instances where any nation, including in ancient times, adopted a position of apparent weakness as a deliberate policy to mask their intent to conduct aggressive warfare. Citing instances of deception tactics isn't even remotely comparable. Tooconservative  posted on  2016-01-06   8:32:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #14. To: TooConservative (#12) (Edited) "In his 52 BC conquest of Gaul, Julius Caesar successfully used tactical deception blah blah blah... " As I said, you cannot provide instances where any nation, including in ancient times, adopted a position of apparent weakness as a deliberate policy to mask their intent to conduct aggressive warfare. Oh, you want example of an entire nation as an actor? Or of a government? As opposed to the military itself? What is exactly your point? I do not get it. A Pole  posted on  2016-01-06   8:52:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #15. To: A Pole (#14) Oh, you want example of an entire nation as an actor? Or of a government? As opposed to the military itself? To be comparable, you'd have a nation, not at war, who deliberately feigned weakness as a prelude to launching an aggressive war against a foe(s) of much greater apparent strength. Tooconservative  posted on  2016-01-06   9:08:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #17. To: TooConservative (#15) To be comparable, you'd have a nation, not at war, who deliberately feigned weakness as a prelude to launching an aggressive war against a foe(s) of much greater apparent strength. OK. So what would this prove or disprove? A Pole  posted on  2016-01-06   10:49:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   Replies to Comment # 17. #18. To: A Pole (#17) A situation comparable to the idiocy you started out with about NKorea feigning weakness as a massive deception prior to launching a war. Perhaps the stupidity of your own post has confused you. Tooconservative  posted on  2016-01-06 11:05:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #19. To: TooConservative (#17) OK. So what would this prove or disprove? "most Greek citizens, most notably those residing within Athens, viewed Macedonians with disdain (despite their claim to be direct descendants of the God Heracles). Once more we turn to Demosthenes who, in a speech of 341 BC, describes Philip as ‘a miserable Macedonian, from a land from which previously you could not even buy a decent slave’. The notion, therefore, that Athens or indeed any other Greek city-state should suddenly adopt the military tactics of a people seen as racially inferior would never have been considered, for theirs was seen to be the purer, more honourable way of warfare. Philip can certainly be seen to have played on this misconception throughout his reign, feigning weakness when in fact only growing in strength; presenting himself to the Greeks as an-ever humble servant" A Pole  posted on  2016-01-06 11:05:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   End Trace Mode for Comment # 17. 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