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Title: Militia members occupy US building in Oregon after protest
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URL Source: http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/mi ... est/ar-BBo6RvQ?ocid=spartandhp
Published: Jan 3, 2016
Author: staff
Post Date: 2016-01-03 10:50:59 by buckeroo
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Ammon Bundy — the son of Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy, who was involved in a standoff with the government over grazing rights — told The Oregonian on Saturday that he and two of his brothers were among a group of dozens of people occupying the headquarters of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge. Ammon Bundy posted a video on his Facebook page asking for militia members to come help him. He said "this is not a time to stand down. It's a time to stand up and come to Harney County," where Burns is located. Below the video is this statement: "(asterisk)(asterisk)ALL PATRIOTS ITS TIME TO STAND UP NOT STAND DOWN!!! WE NEED YOUR HELP!!! COME PREPARED." In an interview with reporters late Saturday night that was posted on Facebook, Bundy said he and others are occupying the building because "the people have been abused long enough." "I feel we are in a situation where if we do not do something, if we do not take a hard stand, we'll be in a position where we'll be no longer able to do so," he said. Bundy said the group planned to stay at the refuge indefinitely. "We're planning on staying here for years, absolutely," Ammon Bundy said. "This is not a decision we've made at the last minute." Harney County Sheriff Dave Ward told people to stay away from the building as authorities work to defuse the situation, the Oregonian reported (http://is.gd/bK7d4E). "A collective effort from multiple agencies is currently working on a solution. For the time being please stay away from that area. More information will be provided as it becomes available. Please maintain a peaceful and united front and allow us to work through this situation," Ward said in a statement. An Idaho militia leader who helped organize the earlier march said he knew nothing about activities after a parade of militia members and local residents in Burns walked past the sheriff's office and the home of Dwight Hammond Jr. and his son Steven. Ammon Bundy's father, Cliven Bundy, told Oregon Public Broadcasting on Saturday night that he had nothing to do with the takeover of the building. Bundy said his son felt obligated to intervene on behalf of the Hammonds. "That's not exactly what I thought should happen, but I didn't know what to do," he said. "You know, if the Hammonds wouldn't stand, if the sheriff didn't stand, then, you know, the people had to do something. And I guess this is what they did decide to do. I wasn't in on that." His son Ammon told him they are committed to staying in the building, Cliven Bundy told Oregon Public Broadcasting. "He told me that they were there for the long run. I guess they figured they're going to be there for whatever time it takes_and I don't know what that means," Cliven Bundy said. "I asked him, 'Well how long can ya, how long you going to stand out there?' He just told me it was for long term." Beth Anne Steele, an FBI spokeswoman in Portland, told The Associated Press the agency was aware of the situation at the national wildlife refuge. She made no further comment. Some local residents feared the Saturday rally would involve more than speeches, flags and marching. But the only real additions to that list seemed to be songs, flowers and pennies. As marchers reached the courthouse, they tossed hundreds of pennies at the locked door. Their message: civilians were buying back their government. After the march passed, two girls swooped in to scavenge the pennies. A few blocks away, Hammond and his wife, Susan, greeted marchers, who planted flower bouquets in the snow. They sang some songs, Hammond said a few words, and the protesters marched back to their cars. Dwight Hammond has said he and his son plan to peacefully report to prison Jan. 4 as ordered by the judge. Dwight Hammond, 73, and Steven Hammond, 46, said they lit the fires in 2001 and 2006 to reduce the growth of invasive plants and protect their property from wildfires. The two were convicted of the arsons three years ago and served time — the father three months, the son one year. But a judge ruled their terms were too short under federal law and ordered them back to prison for about four years each. The decision has generated controversy in a remote part of the state. In particular, the Hammonds' new sentences touched a nerve with far right groups who repudiate federal authority. Ammon Bundy and a handful of militiamen from other states arrived last month in Burns, some 60 miles from the Hammond ranch. In an email to supporters, Ammon Bundy criticized the U.S. government for a failed legal process. How is it possible for a court to issue punishment and that punishmnet is fulfilled and then issue another punishment without any reason for the same charge. BURNS, Ore. (AP) — A protest in support of Oregon ranchers facing jail time for arson was followed by an occupation of a building at a national wildlife refuge led by members of a family previously involved in a showdown with the federal government.
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#1. To: buckeroo (#0)
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I wondered the same but realized that if they originally got three years on a charge but had been charged as terrorists, the prosecutors could have spent the three years appealing the ruling on the sentence and the validity of the terrorism charge to higher courts who kept stalling. So the three years pass, the father and son get out of prison on the original charge but some judge finds that the terrorism charge was justified and reinstated it and, since the terrorism charge has an automatic five- year minimum sentence, they would have to return to prison. It's a perverse result. Our constipated court system operates way too slowly from top to bottom. It's disgraceful but profitable for the lawyers. It sounds like Ammon Bundy has gone full John Brown at the wildlife center. Another Waco or Ruby Ridge in the making?
Ammon Bundy is a domestic terrorist and should be hunted down like Osama bin Laden.
He's kind of a crackpot and probably poses no danger at present. He isn't going anywhere. He'll probably end up in prison now. Or dead.
Most Americans have realized the USA is living a nitemare with an unrestrained police state acting under the colour of law. I think you agree, too. So your point, "It's a perverse result. Our constipated court system operates way too slowly from top to bottom. It's disgraceful but profitable for the lawyers" is a good one to claim. It is unreasonable that a fine or penelty that has been applied and completed by the defendents can be later upgraded to a more stringent punishment for the same "crime." I want to point out, that the charge of "arson" was unfair to begin with. The Hammonds should have used the jurisrudence system for years to defend themselves, if at all possible. Here is the caveat: the jurisprudence system is so damned expensive, it doesn't protect the little guy.
As always, you are out of your fuckin' mind.
Interesting take on the situation from Travis McGee (Matt Bracken) over at Free Republic 'Bring your guns and come': Militiamen including Cliven Bundy's three sons take over Mike Vanderboegh at Sipsey Street Irregulars has the correct take on this, IMHO. Perfect timing for the regime. Federal provocateurs, sociopaths and idiots with a John Brown complex are writing checks that they expect the rest of us to cash in our blood. I was first apprised of this a few minutes ago by folks on the ground out in Oregon. They report that Payne, Ritzheimer and every other “tiger-talking” fruit, nut and federal provocateur previously identified from the Bundy standoff were now in possession of the building and daring the Feds to do anything about it. My initial reaction was to observe that at least afterward we’ll know who the federal snitches are because they will be the only ones who survive the raid to take back the building. My understanding is that this premeditated action has been condemned by the Oregon Three Percenters and other groups but the fact of the matter is that these people are writing checks that they expect the rest of us to cash in our blood. And the Hammonds themselves are disavowing this action in the strongest terms. For the regime, this could not come at a better time. The old Roman adage “cui bono” applies here. There is nothing on the talking heads channels as yet, but by Monday, when Obama meets with his Attorney General on the subject of citizen disarmament, you can bet the farm that this will play right into that narrative. Perfect timing. You’ve got to give the federal handlers of these pukes credit. This is precisely the sort of offensive action on the part of the “militia terrorists” that they needed. A Threeper source on the ground relates: “The stupid has gone so far that I don’t know if it can come back. These f-cking morons have no idea what they’ve done. The sheriff has retreated to a ‘staging area’. These guys are about to get obliterated. MSM just picked it up outside local area. It’s now regional (San Fran etc.)” LATER: Another source says that the Feds are staging, bringing in various SRTs. This is just beginning. I’ll have updates as I get them, but for now it looks like 2016 is going to start out with a huge propaganda victory for the regime. http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2016/01/perfect-timing-for-regime-federal.html My take: A federal provocateur is leading a band of lunatics, trying to nudge them into a situation where one of the loons will snipe a LEO or FLEA. Then the MSM will brand every patriot, RKBA advocate, threeper etc as a “militia murderer.” Please don’t fall for this transparent charade. Don’t be a fool or a patsy. Don’t be “Jimmy Shifflett” in this dangerous game. The back channel chatter I am hearing indicates that this operation is intended to become Obama’s ‘Enemies Foreign And Domestic” moment. Instead of a contrived stadium massacre by a “militia nut” patsy, it is going to be a battle royale by “militia murderers” against the heroic LEOs and FLEAs. This is intended to result in dead LEOs and FLEAs, leading to draconian anti-RKBA executive orders by Obama. Please, folks, don’t be a fracking MORON. Don’t be JIMMY SHIFFLETT. Don’t be a TOOL for Obama and his gun grabbing plans. In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much As this issue unfolds, please ensure ample capability for LF to tune in on new data. I want to thank you for your earlier report. It shows a problem with the state and federal governments.
I have a lot of problems with Matt (Travis Mcgee). At tymes, he is a self-aggrandizing idiot trying to make issues out of thin aire; he is a mere self promoted eBOOK author based on his own dime using a laptop computer. BFD!
Maybe Ammon will announce a challenge to Donald Trump for the GOP nomination?
I'm sure they had lawyers representing them at each successive court. Admittedly, they were at a disadvantage, given the resources and influence of federal prosecutors and the doormat-like quality of most federal judges. I do agree that the arson charge is questionable and there is no intent to commit terrorism. This second terrorism charge simply can't be justified as anything other than prosecutors run amok and federal judges failing to rein them in.
I see that Travis beat me to the obvious John Brown comparison by a few hours. : )
Your resource (Les Zaitz) is a an excellent website: http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2016/01/militia_continue_occupation_of.html#incart_most-commented_pacific-northwest-news_article
From RationalWiki.org:
Deckard thinks that Free Republic is a credible source? Amazing.
How is it possible for a court to issue punishment and that punishmnet is fulfilled and then issue another punishment without any reason for the same charge.
#2. To: buckeroo (#0)
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#3. To: TooConservative (#1)
It sounds like Ammon Bundy has gone full John Brown at the wildlife center.
#4. To: Willie Green (#3)
Ammon Bundy is a domestic terrorist and should be hunted down like Osama bin Laden.
#5. To: TooConservative (#1)
Another Waco or Ruby Ridge in the making?
#6. To: Willie Green (#3)
Ammon Bundy is a domestic terrorist and should be hunted down like Osama bin Laden.
#7. To: buckeroo (#0)
(Edited)
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#8. To: hondo68 (#2)
Ammon Bundy schedules 11 am PST news conference to explain the occupation of federal wildlife refuge in Oregon - @LesZaitz
#9. To: Deckard (#7)
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#10. To: buckeroo (#8)
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#11. To: buckeroo (#5)
The Hammonds should have used the jurisrudence system for years to defend themselves, if at all possible.
#12. To: Deckard (#7)
idiots with a John Brown complex
#13. To: hondo68 (#10)
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#14. To: Deckard (#7)
Interesting take on the situation from Travis McGee (Matt Bracken) over at Free Republic
Matthew Bracken is a patriot from the Free Republic forums and former Navy SEAL who has written several self published novels.
ROTFLMAO!
Bracken's novels are part of a recent glut of self-published apocalypse fiction incorporating libertarian, populist, survivalist, xenophobic and ultra-conservative themes and rhetoric. Bracken is strictly a conservative, although due to the genre he is writing in his books are unfortunately read by the same people who eagerly devour the obscure novels by John Ross, Neo Andersen, Boston T. Party, David Crawford and James Wesley Rawles. The typical reader of this sort of fiction is someone with libertarian leanings who doesn't entirely "get" libertarianism (especially its non-violent aspects, its liberal positions on social issues, and its wonky roots in Austrian economic theory), and conflates it on several points with militarism, nationalism and nativism.
In short, Mr. Bracken can be called the lobotomized racist's attempt to mimic Tom Clancy. He knows his audience and knows how to push all their patriotic, flag waving, paranoid, anti-Mexican, anti-Muslim, nationalist, violence-fetishist buttons. A key piece of evidence is in those dumb book titles. "Enemies", "foreign" and "traitors" are spat out as epithets and the order simply rearranged for each new book.
On the positive side, at least Bracken's novels give these people something to read other than The Turner Diaries, and giving someone one less reason to read The Turner Diaries is probably doing society a favor, however small.
#15. To: Willie Green (#14)
#16. To: hondo68 (#10)
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