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Title: Police May Confiscate Guns without Notice to Owner Starting January 1
Source: breitbart.com
URL Source: http://www.breitbart.com/california ... tice-owner-starting-january-1/
Published: Dec 29, 2015
Author: AWR Hawkins
Post Date: 2015-12-29 20:33:17 by Stoner
Keywords: None
Views: 15678
Comments: 58

Beginning January 1, police in California may confiscate firearms from gun owners thought to be a danger to themselves or others without giving the owner any notice.

This is the result of the implementation of “gun violence restraining orders” (GVROs), which go into effect New Year’s Day.

According to KPCC, GVROs “could be issued without prior knowledge of the person. In other words, a judge could issue the order without ever hearing from the person in question, if there are reasonable grounds to believe the person is a threat based on accounts from the family and police.” And since the order can be issued without the gun owner even being present to defend him or herself, confiscation can commence without any notice to the gun owner once the order is issued.

To be fair, Los Angeles Police Department Assistant Chief Michael Moore does not use the word “confiscate” when talking about confiscating firearms. Rather, Moore says, “The law gives us a vehicle to cause the person to surrender their weapons, to have a time out, if you will.”

KPCC reports that “California law already bans people from possessing guns if they’ve committed a violent crime or were involuntarily committed to a mental health facility.” And now, with GVROs, California law allows judges to bar people from possessing guns even if they have not committed a violent crime or were involuntarily committed. Because of this, Gun Owners of California Executive Director Sam Paredes warns that GVROs “may create a situation where law-abiding gun owners are put in jeopardy.”


You can bet that the ones that dreamed this up, promoted it, and voted for it, will NOT be the ones in the line of fire trying to carry this out.

This will NOT end well !

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#3. To: Stoner (#0)

if there are reasonable grounds to believe the person is a threat based on accounts from the family and police.

It means there is substantive or supporting evidence that the person in possession of firearms has shown irresponsible actions about their ownership of firearms.

Folks - this stuff is already written on the legal books in every state of the union. It means, "don't beat your wife or kids."

buckeroo  posted on  2015-12-29   21:15:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: buckeroo (#3)

" if there are reasonable grounds to believe the person is a threat based on accounts from the family and police. "

" It means there is substantive or supporting evidence "

So, no real proof, other than the word of a pissed off ex wife, or an eager beaver Barney.

Sure, sounds right.

Stoner  posted on  2015-12-29   21:42:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Stoner (#4)

[S]o, no real proof, other than the word of a pissed off ex wife, or an eager beaver Barney.

What's new, here?

buckeroo  posted on  2015-12-29   22:29:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: buckeroo (#5)

"What's new, here?"

What's new is that you could lose your 2nd amendment right based on the statements of non-professionals without actually having done anything.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-12-30   9:46:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: misterwhite (#14)

What's new is that you could lose your 2nd amendment right based on the statements of non-professionals without actually having done anything.

Could? Explain how I could LOSE any rights without being convicted of a felony.

buckeroo  posted on  2015-12-30   21:54:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: buckeroo (#23)

"Could? Explain how I could LOSE any rights without being convicted of a felony."

That's the subject of the above article. Did you read it?

If a judge hears testimony from family and friends that you're a danger to yourself and others, you can lose your second amendment right to keep and bear arms and have your guns taken away.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-12-31   10:10:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: misterwhite (#28)

It can not happen. PERIOD.

buckeroo  posted on  2015-12-31   19:28:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: buckeroo (#29)

"It can not happen. PERIOD."

That's the law in California.

Oh, you say that's contrary to federal laws? Well, so are California's marijuana laws, but you support them, don't you?

You're all for "state's rights" ... but only when the state does things you favor. Welcome to the real world, buckeroo.

misterwhite  posted on  2016-01-01   9:31:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: misterwhite (#36)

That's the law in California.

Enjoy your "law"; while you are at it, save them the tyme & trouble of coming after you and just turn 'em in.

You are fuckin' idiot, 'white.

buckeroo  posted on  2016-01-01   12:27:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: buckeroo (#38)

"Enjoy your "law"

It ain't my law, buck. I don't live in California. If that's what the citizens of California want, who am I (or you) to tell them differently? Right?

Butt out.

misterwhite  posted on  2016-01-01   12:46:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: misterwhite (#39)

You are a dumb fuck. Archaic laws can not be enforced by any level of US, State, County, Special District, City or the local dawg pound governments that denies the presumption of innocence of any US Citizen. Well ... unless you believe in a government that denies your rights to liberty, freedoms, rights and your individual dignity. Again, 'White you are a dumb fuck.

buckeroo  posted on  2016-01-01   13:03:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: buckeroo (#40)

"Archaic laws can not be enforced by any level of US, State, County ..."

It's not an archaic law. It was just passed by the legislature, and there is nothing in the California state constitution that protects against such a law.

Are you now saying that federal laws should apply to California?

misterwhite  posted on  2016-01-02   10:14:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: misterwhite (#44)

... and there is nothing in the California state constitution that protects against such a law.

'White, you are full of shit, as is usual. The California State Constitution has several sections that protect the individual against an abusive government, just as any archaic law attempts to deny the rights of an individual to a jury trial in front of an impartial judge; it is called "due process." The entire idea is "presumption of innocence."

There can be no prior restraint until fully adjudicated.

buckeroo  posted on  2016-01-02   13:55:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: buckeroo (#47)

Since the California State Constitution does not protect the right to keep and bear arms, there is nothing to adjuducate.

misterwhite  posted on  2016-01-02   21:01:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: misterwhite (#48) (Edited)

Since the California State Constitution does not protect the right to keep and bear arms, there is nothing to adjuducate.

I see it all now. A firearm owned by any US citizen living in the state of California is NOT personal property. And there are no laws preventing the impound or confiscation of personal property without due process.

'White, go fly a kite on another planet. Go back to where you came from in otherwords.

buckeroo  posted on  2016-01-03   14:02:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: buckeroo (#49)

"And there are no laws preventing the impound or confiscation of personal property without due process."

Your personal property may be seized without due process if the state has a reason to believe it was associated with a crime, right? Asset forfeiture? Ring a bell?

Well, here California is saying they have the power to confiscate a lethal weapon if they have a reason to believe you may harm yourself or others.

You get your due process when you attempt to retrieve your property.

misterwhite  posted on  2016-01-03   15:26:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: misterwhite (#50)

You get your due process when you attempt to retrieve your property.

Let us see THE VERY FIRST CASE presented under this new state "law." I want to see your favoured outcome of legal breaching of any tool for the individual/family/home. I am confident you beg for a government over-stepping the boundaries of its appropriate territority within a republic that contains a jurisprudence system that is continuously reviewed.

You could be hung by the neck by advocating your silly perspective.

buckeroo  posted on  2016-01-03   15:38:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: buckeroo (#51)

"You could be hung by the neck by advocating your silly perspective."

I have advocated no position. I merely stated the facts.

misterwhite  posted on  2016-01-03   17:17:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: misterwhite, yukon (#52)

I have advocated no position. I merely stated the facts.

The idea that you personally defend government over-reach in America; by advocating fascism and an obvious police state, is a bonafide and quick method to ensure your magnificence within the kanary klub. I am confident you made "yukon" happy today.

buckeroo  posted on  2016-01-03   17:26:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: buckeroo (#53)

"The idea that you personally defend government over-reach in America"

The stupid citizens of California decided NOT to protect their right to keep and bear arms in their state constitution. That's not my fault.

And unless you live in California, why do you care? It's THEIR state -- let them live how they want to live.

Unless you're saying you want centralized government with one set of rules for all states. Is that what you want?

misterwhite  posted on  2016-01-04   9:33:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: misterwhite (#55)

That's not my fault.

No one is accusing you of anything other than being stupid; your stupidity was probably perpetuated by a pair of idiot savant parents and their respective long lineage of being stupid.

This "law" is not compliant to enforcement methods. It will be changed as soon as there is some use of the "law" that attempts to confiscate a citizen's right to bear arms.

buckeroo  posted on  2016-01-04   19:34:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: buckeroo (#57)

"It will be changed as soon as there is some use of the "law" that attempts to confiscate a citizen's right to bear arms."

Eventually, the legal challenge will work it's way to the 9th Circuit. How do you think they'll rule?

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