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Title: I Was An Idiot For Ever Being a 911 Truther
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URL Source: http://extruther.blogspot.com/
Published: Dec 26, 2015
Author: Mike Metzger
Post Date: 2015-12-26 09:16:55 by no gnu taxes
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My name is Mike Metzger, MikeyMetz for short, co-founder of 9/11 Truth UAlbany. I will not go on about my past accomplishments in the "truth" movement, but I invite you to check out the official site and our stuff on GoogleVideo if you're that interested in my background. I figure the best way to start this all out is by reposting a Facebook note that explains my "sudden change of heart" to anyone who was interested. Change of Heart? I might be thinking too much of myself, but I'm sure some of you are already jumping to conclusions over my apparent "change of heart." I can hear it already. "Mikey stopped smoking pot, and now he's ultra-conservative all of sudden." Or, how about "Mikey's fuckin girlfriend changed him overnight." If there's anyone who simplified my situation using one of these rationalizations immediately upon observing the obvious changes in my profile, I don't think it's too outrageous to claim that you're one who quickly jumps to conclusions. I don't mean to offend anyone (although, I know I am), but I think that statement is rather representative of the entire 9/11 Truth Movement. My "change of heart" didn't happen overnight. This has been a process that has been eating away at me for the past month and a half. I wanted to act strategically as far as "coming out" as a means to perhaps transition the 9/11 Truth group on campus to one that was less focused on strictly 9/11-related issues (aka more truthful ones). However, I was exposed to something that truly angered me deep down in the wee hours of this morning, which I'll get to later. I was so outraged that I can no longer keep my mouth shut. For whatever reasons at the time, I no-showed the 8/11 truth action our group was doing in Albany. Instead, I watched a movie called Screw Loose Change. I expected it to point out a few corrections in some minor details of the film. To my surprise, it contested just about every claim in the entire movie. I was a bit shocked. I was a true believer of all this controlled demolition nonsense for a time. I never cared about the physics or the claims of pseudo-"experts." What always did it for me was the fact that there was never a decent response to any of these questions by the government. Even the hit pieces you'd see on 9/11 were always personal attacks. The mainstream never contested the actual "facts" movies like Loose Change presented. Or so it seemed. After watching Screw Loose Change, I delved into the world of 9/11 Truth debunking. Among my favorites are the Screw Loose Change Blog and 9/11 Myths Finally, someone was answered all these pertinent questions with something that was a bit foreign to me... facts agreed upon by the experts. There are no facts in the 9/11 Truth Movement. Just a lot of theories, which eventually break down to "hey, we're just asking questions" if someone questions the validity of such. No structural, civil, or any engineers agree with the truthers. Yet, most of my friends will try to explain the hard physics involved in structural collapses. None of these people are engineers, physicists, or even in a scientific field, for that matter. Someone's supposed to take their word over an expert's? The truthers will just tell you that all the experts are "in on it." Yeah, sure. Every engineer in the world is complicit in the government's murder of 3,000 people. And so are the firemen, who apparently ordered Larry Silverstein to "pull" Building 7. The truthers' misrepresentation of Silverstein's quote is one of the most popular "facts" to spit out, but in doing so, you are effectively in agreement that firefighters were not only involved in the controlled demolition of WTC7, but they are also aiding and abetting in the government's cover-up. Yeah, every firefighter who was out there on 9/11 is going to be complicit in the MURDER OF 343 OF THEIR FALLEN BROTHERS! To quote Loose Change co-creator Jason Bermas, "the firefighters are paid off." This is absolute horseshit, which brings me to why I've formally distanced myself from this sorry excuse for a movement. Loose Change, 9/11 Mysteries, Alex Jones, and all the other kooks out there are fucking lying about, distorting, and misrepresenting the facts to further their personal agendas. And what is their agenda, you ask? Money, in the words of Shaggy 2 Dope, "mutha fuckin bitch ass money." Not only are they desecrating 3,000 graves, but they are profiting off of it. That, my friends, makes me sick to my fuckin stomach. Some may think that this is just a big personal attack, and that I'm not presenting enough facts. I honestly don't give a fuck because the information is out there. I love how all the truthers, myself included for a time, brag about how they've done all the "research." Well my friends, research doesn't involve looking exclusively at other 9/11 conspiracy sites! Research involves looking at things from both sides of the spectrum, and making your own decisions. Check out the links I've listed above, or google "Screw 9/11 Mysteries" and "Screw Loose Change." Controlled demolitions: absolute bullshit. Now, I know there are some legitimate inconsistencies in the story that can't be proven false. My problem, and your problem as well, is that we have been blatantly misled by people who are only interested in selling dvds and t-shirts. This is supposed to be a truth movement. At this point, Alex Jones could pull every smoking gun out of ass that proves without question that 9/11 was an inside job, but it will never excuse the fact that he had lie so blatantly. Fuck you, fuck avery & bermas, fuck 9/11 mysteries, and fuck every true believer who goes out there and tells people that they've "done their research." I don't know what the future holds for the student group. For the time being, I'm gonna continue to fill out the paperwork and other such presidential duties because I take my responsibilities and promises very seriously. But you won't see me hand out one more 9/11 pamphlet, or ever utter the phrase "9/11 was an inside job" ever again. I'd personally like to see the group transition away from fringe conspiracy theories and focus more on local issues (God knows, there's enough corruption in Albany, alone), but I might get outvoted by truthers. If that is the case, I cordially invite any of the truthers who think I'm totally wrong to step up and take the reigns. The group is, in part, my creation, but I'll gladly abdicate the throne if all everyone wants to do is continue the truther nonsense. Oh yeah, what sent me over the edge today? I watched Screw 9/11 Mysteries, which basically adds comments to the original movie. Like Screw Loose Change, every single theory spat out is immediately disproven with formal citations from the NIST report, scientific journals, and the experts themselves. By the end, the whole controlled demolition theory is a complete joke, as the film can't even keep their own story straight. 9/11 Mysteries ends very tragically with a phone call from one of the victims inside the WTC. You may have seen it, it's the guy who's frantically describing the situation to a loved one, but then suddenly, the building starts to collapse and all you hear are his last words, agonizing screams. The creators of this propaganda movie did this intentionally, to play on your emotions right after feeding you all their bullshit theories. But as I watched this film again, this time with the annotations, I knew that the creators of this movie used that poor guy's dying moments for their own selfish gains of selling dvds and perpetuating myths that do nothing but denigrate the lives lost on 9/11/01. Change of heart? My heart's always been in the right place. I was just cheating myself of making an informed judgment on all the information available. I'm done, thanks.
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#1. To: no gnu taxes (#0)
That's what it boils down to. Any unanswered question becomes a conspiracy, and unsupported "answers" to those questions become the "real truth of what happened".
"The "molten steel" was mostly aluminum and other various office material. Mostly."
Maintaining objectivity in reviewing something even as emotional as the 9-11 events is important. There are those who latch on to every conspiracy ever floated, no matter how illogical or how much effort it takes behind the scenes, simply because it portrays the government in an evil light. However, when every one of these theories is promoted as truth or possible truth, it undermines the credibility of the minority of theories and questions that have real legitimacy. This is why I consider it harmful when people who are distrustful of government just throw out all kinds of theories about everything being a conspiracy. Within 24 hours of the original attacks last year in Paris that killed the cartoon artist, some one has posted video of some footage claiming how "obvious" it was that it was all a setup. When the TV reporter and cameraman were shot and killed while reporting live in Virginia, someone did the same, comparing the live TV footage with the shooter's camera. The thinking behind all these theories is that the government never makes mistakes, and is in total control of everything at all times. A requirement that itself defies logic. Such people who lack objectivity do this, perhaps in spite of being well-meaning, because in their minds they really do see a conflict of facts. But it would not surprise me if others do it dishonestly just as a form of mocking those distrust the government (i.e. truthers). However, it also wouldn't surprise me if it was done by pro government operatives as a way of littering the internet with so much ridiculous conspiracy crap that it serves to undermine the credibility of those events that the gov really does have an immoral hand in perpetrating. After all, the government DOES have a history in engaging in activities that seek to influence the political will of the American people. Using Federal taxpayer money to campaign against state ballot initiatives for legalizing marijuana being one very recent factual and highly immoral example. I think it is indisputed that the Gulf of Tonklin incident was staged and promoted as an unprovoked attack by North Vietnam forces to get the US public behind the Vietnam war, to name one, just as W Bush's false claim that Hussain had WMD's to get the public behind invading Iraq. When politicians put on the "One Ring That Rules Them All", they can use their powers for evil, sometimes even when they try to do good. I saw "Loose Change" a couple years after 9-11, but my questions for 9-11 are few. What is it that appears to be molten steel pouring out of the South Tower minutes before it collapsed, and why did WTC7 collapse the way it did, especially when it clearly collapsed only AFTER a TV news reported the collapse while it clearly still stood in the background? I've never heard adequate explanations for either. I've never found the theories about the Pentagon being hit by missiles instead of an airline to be credible or clearly proven to be the case. Ditto for many other 9/11 theories. But the above questions warrant an answer, but to-date I've seen none put forth.
Lazy minded people who just want to be duped. Oh it sounds good until you do a smidgen of investigating. Alex jones is like a broken clock. He is right twice a day by sure dumb luck! Other than that he is a complete fraud peddling crap to the disenfranchised people who are looking for something else.
Molten aluminium, at least at temperatures just above it's melting point, does not glow a fiery red. It retains it's natural color, or something very close to it.
Molten aluminum from the airplane mixed with incinerated office materials that were smoldering. and why did WTC7 collapse the way it did Because of damage it obtained from the collapse the twin towers and the resulting fires. The firemen on the scene could clearly see it was going to collapse and communicated such. They would not enter the building because they could see this and communicated that knowledge. Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president
You have to learn what WTC7 contained to understand it.
This image is from an aluminum casting website. The molten aluminum is glowing. The room is at atmospheric pressure. Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president
WHAT?????? Look at both sides of an issue? WTF are you,some sort of fire-breathing radical? Sumbich is actually asking people to think. Good luck with that one! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
or JAQ for short. Which does some up the truthers. They are just JAQ-ing off. Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president
My hat is off to this guy. Admitting you are wrong is hard to do,even to yourself. Admitting you were wrong in public to a whole host of people who looked up to and admired you for your erroneous beliefs is almost a heroic act. Whatever anyone else may think about this guy,he has character. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
Isn't that what Bush did in your mouth? Figuratively of course.
Whatever anyone else may think about this guy,he has character. If this is not a hoax, there is redemption in him.
To: HomerBohn The EVIL Alex Jones and his Truther rag Infowars is also banned from FreeRepublic.com. 4 posted on 12/26/2015 3:01:46 AM by SubMareener http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3376798/posts If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons - question marks are for girlie boys !
Competition
A little more research about melted aluminum shows some peculiarities. Whether it appears to glow or not seems to depend on 2 factors: The temperature and the lighting conditions. The darker the conditions, the more it will appear to glow. The brighter the conditions, the more silvery molten aluminum appears to be. The hotter a substance, including aluminum, is heated, the more it does indeed glow. But it's obvious the photos above were take in low light conditions. The following is from: http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/lofiversion/index.php?t4749.html ========== Every object at 1000°F produces red light; every object at 2000°F produces orange light; and every object at 2700°F produces white light. However, different materials emit different amounts of light, and different materials reflect different amounts of ambient light. Aluminum does not emit as much light as iron, and it reflects more ambient light. The end result is that the iron will have a brighter glow. In order to fully understand this concept, a piece of aluminum and a piece of iron would have to be placed side by side and then heated up to the exact same temperature. We would then clearly see that the iron glows brighter than the aluminum, even though they are at exactly the same temperature. In the photograph below the molten aluminum inside the crucible is glowing a faint red, but the aluminum at the edge of the crucible is reflecting a lot of sunlight, so it appears silvery. This photograph was taken inside a building, so the ambient light is at a lower intensity. This makes the crucible appear a brighter red, but the aluminum at the edge of the crucible (where the light is brighter) is still silvery. If the lights in this building were turned off, all of the aluminum would glow a bright red. ========== Pinguinite Note: In the lower photo, the crucible itself is glowing red, and the molten aluminum inside may be at least partially reflecting the red of the crucible instead of glowing itself. The morning of 911 was a completely clear sunny day. If the material pouring out of the tower was aluminum, it would have to be very hot, perhaps upwards of 2500 degrees F (???).
The 270 degree, 500 mph loop that the government claims the pentagon plane did before hitting the building would have torn the wings off a 767 passenger jet at that speed.
There were lots of items in the aftermath of the jets crash. And a lot of different temperatures involved. And a lot of different metal alloys. I'm not sure why you believe there had to be some controlled demolition just because you can't believe that it couldn't have been molten aluminum. Molten aluminum is but one very plausible explanation, and one that many mettalurgists have used.
Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president
Did you ever see the Boeing wing stress test they do on their planes before they snap ... they go up over 30 degrees --- before they snap !
If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons - question marks are for girlie boys !
Yes, and also try to understand why that specific area of the pentagon was targeted.
You do know they found parts of the jet engine inside the Pentagon.
Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president
No way that was aluminum from a plane at the bottom of the towers. There were almost 90 floors of concrete and steel between the plane debris and the bottom of that pile.
Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president
Don't forget the rising air - building contents ... blast furnace - cutting torch temperatures --- your weak mind can't comprehend dummy ! It only takes small amounts of powder - sulfur to make match sticks burn ! If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons - question marks are for girlie boys !
Yes, photos showing what aviation experts identified as the turbine fan from an F-4 fighter jet, not multiple turbines from a 767. I've seen the pics.
True. But in addition to it appearing to be more like steel and less like aluminium, it is peculiar that something would happen to store that volume of molten metal before it would be released, pouring out of the tower. I don't think it could be a case of hard metal instantly melting and then flowing away out of the tower. There's simply too much volume for that. It's more like metal melted and accumulated in soem kind of pool, the pool then being breached releasing it. Obviously it would have to be something that could tolerate the temperatures better than the substance filmed. Thermite/Thermate, of course, being a possible exception as it can heat steel sufficiently fast. I never said that's what I believed (though WTC7 does look a exactly like a controlled demolition, as any rational observer would agree). I just want a reasonable explanation for the observations. It's just that a reasonable explanation of the government wanting to promote political support for a War on Terror to the point of at least aiding in the demise of the WTC towers needs to be weighed against the reasonableness of an innocent explanation of what appears to be molten metal pouring out of the tower. And while the likelihood of US citizens working inside the government to bring down the towers and kill upwards of 3000 people might be considered far-fetched, it is already a fact that such people have engaged in killings to further political agendas.
Go sit at the kids table until you learn proper grammar and punctuation, Borus.
757 debris When will you loons just give it up?
Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president
gutsplitter ... laughing - puking --- at you !
If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons - question marks are for girlie boys !
If you look at the video I posted, it is clear the molten metal started pouring very soon after the plane impact. So I guess if you if are intent on believing, "well, it couldn't have been that," there's probably nothing else I can say. I guess you believe those evil conspirators had the plane impact and the thermite detonation precisely timed. I don't know why I try and argue with crazy people, because as much as i try, I will never succeed as being as crazy as they are. Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president
Competition True. I know,let's have a Prayer Thread for FR,and ask for God to smite anyone that upsets or threatens the Empire of the Very Reverend Jim Bob! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
I don't know why I try and argue with crazy people, because as much as i try, I will never succeed as being as crazy as they are. I did look at the video. If you had read my post objectively, you would have seen I'm open minded on the subject. But just as many 9-11 truthers and similar do not see things objectively, you have not read my posts objectively. It's a psychological thing where people see what fits their preconceived notions instead of what's really there, and it's something that everyone does every day. It's normal, though in situations like this thread, it also harmful. I don't know what happened on 9-11 beyond the basics. I wasn't there. It is you that apparently has more confidence in knowledge the events that took place that day than I do. Your posted video does offer an explanation. But I don't trust the government, and lying to the American people is a routine function which is the least of its crimes. One thing I'll say about truthers is this: If the government was more trustworthy, there would likely be no 9-11 truther movement. But because the government has lied to the American people, it has lost credibility and trust. And that is not the fault of the 9-11 truthers.
As it was in the beginning, is now and ever shall be, grift without end. Amen. Amen.
FR. Every time I see your name and FR in the same sentence I'm reminded of "Deep in the Huertgen forest". Wasn't it you that busted his ass?
Yup,and Jim Bob never forgave me for it. He LOVED the idea of having a Real Live Green Beret General as a bestie to give him and his board credibility,and I played the role of Grinch and took his present away. Don't waste your time looking for any of the threads on that issue at FR. They were all "lost" when Jim Bob Jr changed servers. Kings don't like to be reminded they made a mistake. I did read somewhere that a couple of people had saved all of those threads and were going to post them somewhere else,but have no idea if they did or where they were posted if they were. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
No the mention the fact that the alleged pilot could never have pulled off such a maneuver. Hani Hanjour: 9/11 Pilot Extraordinaire Federal Aviation Administration records show [Hanjour] obtained a commercial pilot's license in April 1999, but how and where he did so remains a lingering question that FAA officials refuse to discuss. His limited flying abilities do afford an insight into one feature of the attacks: The conspiracy apparently did not include a surplus of skilled pilots. [Cape Cod Times] [Flight Academy] Staff members characterized Mr. Hanjour as polite, meek and very quiet. But most of all, the former employee said, they considered him a very bad pilot. "I'm still to this day amazed that he could have flown into the Pentagon," the former employee said. "He could not fly at all." [New York Times] Hani Hanjour as a Cessna 172 pilot At Freeway Airport in Bowie, Md., 20 miles west of Washington, flight instructor Sheri Baxter instantly recognized the name of alleged hijacker Hani Hanjour when the FBI released a list of 19 suspects in the four hijackings. Hanjour, the only suspect on Flight 77 the FBI listed as a pilot, had come to the airport one month earlier seeking to rent a small plane. In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much Molten Steel Found at Ground Zero Weeks After 9/11 At ground zero, steel was still found in liquid form weeks after 9/11. Yet sooty, black burning jet fuel (basically diesel) cannot melt any kind of steel, especially fire resistant, structural steel. Firefighter: “You’d get down below and see molten steel—molten steel running down the channel rails, like you’re in a foundery…like lava.” Molten Steel discovered 8 weeks after 9/11 Rockefeller Predicted “Event” To Trigger War Eleven Months Before 9/11 Study: ‘highly engineered explosive,’ DoD-ap-only, super-thermite found in all WTC samples studied Swedish Structural Engineer: WTC Towers Did Not Collapse from Fire In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much Thanks. I was reminded when reading that about the origin of the term "bushbot". Some people think I am the one that originated it,but the truth is I stole it from a guy that was posting on the "A Day in the Life" worship threads to Bush. He also made a post referring to tje FR biddies there that kept swooning over Boy Jorge pretending to play rancher and his "tight jeans",calling them the "Wet Panty Brigade",which was greeted with howls of outrage,and resulted in that poster being immediately nuked. IIRC,every post he made was also nuked. Wish I could remember his screen name to give him the credit he deserves,but he I can't. I had just been re-instated (for the 2nd or 3rd time) by Jim Bob at the time,so I had a little bit of insurance against being instantly zotted,so I started using the term Bush Bot to honor the Freeper that turned a gagfest thread into one of the funniest threads I ever saw on FR. IIRC,there were a multitude of other FR posters nuked for defending the zotted guy. The Church Ladies there were in full howl mode over that Wet Panty Brigade comment,and they were Jim Bobs most faithful cult members. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
Yup,and Jim Bob never forgave me for it. It has not been forgotten at FR either. Too bad Deep in the Hurtgen Forest (DITHF) and Brian Williams are not here to give their accounts. LOL! Non auro, sed ferro, recuperando est patria
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#2. To: misterwhite (#1)
#3. To: no gnu taxes (#0)
#4. To: misterwhite, no gnu taxes, Logsplitter (#1)
At this point, Alex Jones could pull every smoking gun out of ass that proves without question that 9/11 was an inside job, but it will never excuse the fact that he had lie so blatantly. Fuck you, fuck avery & bermas, fuck 9/11 mysteries, and fuck every true believer who goes out there and tells people that they've "done their research."
#5. To: Logsplitter (#2)
"The "molten steel" was mostly aluminum and other various office material. Mostly."
#6. To: Pinguinite (#3)
What is it that appears to be molten steel pouring out of the South Tower minutes before it collapsed,
#7. To: Pinguinite (#3)
...and why did WTC7 collapse the way it did, especially when it clearly collapsed only AFTER a TV news reported the collapse while it clearly still stood in the background?
#8. To: Pinguinite (#5)
#9. To: no gnu taxes (#0)
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Well my friends, research doesn't involve looking exclusively at other 9/11 conspiracy sites! Research involves looking at things from both sides of the spectrum, and making your own decisions.
#10. To: misterwhite (#1)
just asking questions
#11. To: no gnu taxes (#0)
Change of heart? My heart's always been in the right place. I was just cheating myself of making an informed judgment on all the information available.
#12. To: no gnu taxes (#10)
They are just JAQ-ing off.
#13. To: Pinguinite (#5)
Molten aluminium, at least at temperatures just above it's melting point, does not glow a fiery red.
#14. To: sneakypete (#11)
My hat is off to this guy. Admitting you are wrong is hard to do,even to yourself. Admitting you were wrong in public to a whole host of people who looked up to and admired you for your erroneous beliefs is almost a heroic act.
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#16. To: BorisY (#15)
Alex Jones and his Truther rag Infowars is also banned from FreeRepublic.com.
#17. To: Roscoe, no gnu taxes (#13)
#18. To: Pinguinite (#3)
#19. To: Pinguinite (#17)
#20. To: Logsplitter (#18)
#21. To: Fred Mertz (#7)
#22. To: Logsplitter (#18)
#23. To: no gnu taxes (#8)
#24. To: Pinguinite (#17)
#25. To: Logsplitter (#23)
90 floors of concrete and steel
#26. To: no gnu taxes (#22)
#27. To: no gnu taxes (#19)
I'm not sure why you believe there had to be some controlled demolition just because you can't believe that it couldn't have been molten aluminum.
There were lots of items in the aftermath of the jets crash. And a lot of different temperatures involved. And a lot of different metal alloys.
I'm not sure why you believe there had to be some controlled demolition just because you can't believe that it couldn't have been molten aluminum. Molten aluminum is but one very plausible explanation, and one that many mettalurgists have used.
#28. To: BorisY (#25)
#29. To: Logsplitter (#26)
#30. To: Logsplitter (#28)
#31. To: Pinguinite (#27)
#32. To: Roscoe (#16)
Alex Jones and his Truther rag Infowars is also banned from FreeRepublic.com.
#33. To: no gnu taxes (#31)
If you look at the video I posted, it is clear the molten metal started pouring very soon after the plane impact. So I guess if you if are intent on believing, "well, it couldn't have been that," there's probably nothing else I can say.
#34. To: sneakypete (#32)
#35. To: sneakypete (#32)
#36. To: Logsplitter (#35)
FR. Every time I see your name and FR in the same sentence I'm reminded of "Deep in the Huertgen forest". Wasn't it you that busted his ass?
#37. To: sneakypete (#36)
#38. To: Logsplitter (#18)
The 270 degree, 500 mph loop that the government claims the pentagon plane did before hitting the building would have torn the wings off a 767 passenger jet at that speed.
From the ridiculous to the sublime...
Cockpit of a Cessna 172
However, when Baxter and fellow instructor Ben Conner took the slender, soft-spoken Hanjour on three test runs during the second week of August, they found he had trouble controlling and landing the single-engine Cessna 172. Even though Hanjour showed a federal pilot's license and a log book cataloging 600 hours of flying experience, chief flight instructor Marcel Bernard declined to rent him a plane without more lessons.
In the spring of 2000, Hanjour had asked to enroll in the CRM Airline Training Center in Scottsdale, Ariz., for advanced training, said the center's attorney, Gerald Chilton Jr. Hanjour had attended the school for three months in late 1996 and again in December 1997 but never finished coursework for a license to fly a single-engine aircraft, Chilton said.
When Hanjour reapplied to the center last year, "We declined to provide training to him because we didn't think he was a good enough student when he was there in 1996 and 1997" Chilton said. [Newsday] “Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#39. To: no gnu taxes (#6)
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“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#40. To: Roscoe (#37)
#41. To: sneakypete (#36)
I'm reminded of "Deep in the Huertgen forest". Wasn't it you that busted his ass?
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