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Title: Why is NORAD able to track Santa Claus in Real Time, yet failed completely to intercept the planes on 9/11?
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Official NORAD Santa Tracker
URL Source: http://www.noradsanta.org/
Published: Dec 24, 2015
Author: Me
Post Date: 2015-12-24 18:11:51 by Deckard
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Views: 1899
Comments: 18
Why is NORAD able to track Santa Claus yet on September 11th, 2001 the air defense network had predictable and effective procedures for dealing with an attack and failed to respond in a timely manner until after the attack was over, more than an hour and a half after it had started. The official timeline describes a series of events and mode of response in which the delays are spread out into a number of areas. There are failures upon failures, in what might be described as a strategy of layered failures, or failure in depth. The failures can be divided into four types. Had not there been multiple failures of each type, one or more parts of the attack could have been thwarted. NORAD had time to protect the World Trade Center even given the unbelievably late time, 8:40, when it claims to have first been notified. It had time to protect the South Tower and Washington even given its bizarre choice of bases from which to scramble planes. And it still had ample opportunity to protect both New York City and Washington even if it insisted that all interceptors fly subsonic, simply by redeploying airborne fighters.
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#1. To: Deckard (#0)
Maybe Santa will bring you some fresh tinfoil for Christmas. Have Norad send Santa a message requesting that. Before 9/11, there were no provisions for onshore intercept of aircraft. That was only done over offshore Air Defense Intercept Zones (ADIZ). Since, there are provisions for intercepting aircraft onshore. Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president
Let me guess - Popular Mechanics told you that. 9/11 - Foreknowledge and Lack of Air Defense NORAD Stand-Down: A stand-down is defined as “a relaxation from a state of readiness or alert.” This certainly took place regarding air defenses on 9/11. One explanation offered was that the terrorists turned off the electronic device known as a transponder, which helps identify aircraft on radar. As stated by the 9/11 Commission, “With its transponder off, it is possible, though more difficult, to track an aircraft by its primary radar returns. But unlike transponder data, primary radar returns do not show the aircraft’s identity and altitude.” The commission failed to consider the fact that the US military has more than just ground radar at their disposal. As defined by the Random House Unabridged Dictionary, AWACS is “a sophisticated detection aircraft, fitted with powerful radar and a computer, capable of simultaneously tracking and plotting large numbers of low-flying aircraft at much greater distances than is possible with ground radar.” In 2006 New Scientist magazine reported that “US military radar can track space debris as small as 10 centimetres across, and can sometimes see things as small as 5 cm wide if it is in just the right orbit.” The 35 USAF bases that were within range of the 9/11 flights unquestionably possessed highly-sophisticated radar. Commercial airliners do not need their transponders turned on in order to be tracked by the US military. If America was being attacked by aircraft belonging to a foreign power, it is ridiculous to think these enemy aircraft would have transponders installed to help the US Air Force shoot them down. It is equally ridiculous to believe the US military lack the technology to track aircraft without a transponder signal. Another excuse given by defenders of the official story is that NORAD only looked outward for threats, not inward. There is much evidence that looking inward was also one of their responsibilities, but in any event, there is at least one incident which proves NORAD could be tasked to defend any part of the skies over the United States and Canada, as well as much evidence that it is not the only time this has happened, but rather, the only time we have been privy to. The Popular Mechanics book Debunking 9/11 Myths cites an article in a 2002 edition of the Colorado Springs Gazette, which claims that, “Before September 11, the only time officials recall scrambling jets over the United States was when golfer Payne Stewart’s plane veered off course and crashed in South Dakota in 1999.” Popular Mechanics adds, “Except for that lone, tragic anomaly, all NORAD interceptions from the end of the Cold war in 1989 until 9/11 took place in offshore Air Defense Identification Zones (ADIZ). . . . The planes intercepted in these zones were primarily being used for drug smuggling.” But an October 13, 2001 Calgary Herald article reported that before 9/11 fighter jets “were scrambled to babysit suspect aircraft or ‘unknowns’ twice a week.” As Professor David Ray Griffin pointed out in his book Debunking 9/11 Debunking, “Twice a week would be about 100 times per year, and ‘babysitting’ is not what planes would do with jets suspected of smuggling drugs into the country.” Furthermore, a 1994 United States General Accounting Office report on continental air defense states, “Overall, during the past 4 years, NORAD’s alert fighters took off to intercept aircraft (referred to as scrambled) 1,518 times, or an average of 15 times per site per year. Of these incidents, the number of suspected drug smuggling aircraft averaged one per site, or less than 7 percent of all of the alert sites’ total activity. The remaining activity generally involved visually inspecting unidentified aircraft and assisting aircraft in distress.” As the New York City Activist blog pointed out, “Admittedly this is the early 1990's, not 2001, and the quote is from a report which recommended trimming down the force. But still it casts a lot of doubt on the Popular Mechanics claim that intercepts were a rare occurrence.” And as Griffin points out in Debunking 9/11 Debunking, “In this account NORAD made 379 interceptions per year, 354 of which ‘involved visually inspecting unidentified aircraft in distress,’ not intercepting planes suspected of smuggling drugs. Besides the fact that 1992 was part of ‘the decade before 9/11,’ it is doubtful that the pattern of interceptions would have changed radically after that.” A Canadian government performance report on their arm of NORAD for 1999-2000 (pdf), the same period as the Payne Stewart flight, relevant to military operations in the years leading up to the 9/11 attacks, backs up Griffin’s statements. The report states, “If required, ‘unknown aircraft’ are intercepted and identified by aircraft dedicated to NORAD. Over the past year, NORAD has intercepted 736 aircraft, 82 of which were suspected drug smugglers…” In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much Before 9/11, the only attempts at intercepts were over the offshore ADIZ. That's just a fact, regardless of your tinfoil ruminations. Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president
Nobody on 9/11/2015 had ever thought about hijackers simultaneously commandeering a bunch of aircraft to attack a bunch of places at once. NORAD was thinking about Russians, not United. The mentality was different on 9/10/2011. We cannot retroject the obvious of today back to then and learn anything from the anachronistic exercise.
Who was CIC? Eli, Eli, nai erchomai Kurios Iesous.
St. Nick is Orthodox and wears red. He may well be on Russia's side. LOL!
LOL. Yet he does deliver to Latin Rite and Proddies too!
For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die. But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. (Romans 5:6-8)
For free - with slave labor made goods. Clearly a commie.
Yeah. There is only one Protestant incorrupt - a pious Lutheran woman from the 1700s. But there IS one Protestant incorrupt. There's no Jewish or Hindu or Muslim incorrupt, but there's a Lutheran one...which means - since incorruption is a gift from God (one wonders if the Devil could pull it off) - that as loth as we are to admit it, that God is present there in the Lutheran Church too, or was at any rate. One can have whatever doctrine one likes, but when God does a miracle, and it's an obvious miracle (such as: an unembalmed pious dead lady never decays), then one must bend the knee to God and say "Your will be done, Lord, not mine, because your will WILL be done, and not mine, no matter how much I complain about it." There aren't a lot of demonstrable Protestant miracles but there ARE some, and the fact that there are some proves that God is there, so we cannot simply dismiss the opposition as heretics. If that woman was a heretic, she was the sort of heretic that is more favorable to God than the billions of faithful orthodox Catholics and Orthodox who have passed through the years, died, and decayed into worm food. By God's grace she didn't - perhaps only to make the very point that I am making: the FACT of the miracle is such that it MEANS that God is with the Proddies too, at least some of the time. For that matter, the hurricane that defeated the "Invincible" Spanish Armada is another example of God's hand, as was the reverse of that at Cartagena de las Indians. Agincourt and Crecy...and Orleans and Patay demonstrate that God chooses temporal winners for his own purposes. One can puzzle as to why, but one cannot deny the obvious miracles. Midway was a similar miracle. No way the Americans were going to win that one.
I knew you would pick up on the sweat shop Santa is running in international territory. :)
For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die. But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. (Romans 5:6-8)
That is not true. In fact that FAA required it back then. If a plene even went a tiny bit off course. So you aren't dealing in facts. Also the intercepted a private aircraft with that golfer.
Santa runs a slave labor gulag in the Arctic. Cleary a Soviet agent.
Because he's really FAT, you dunce! LOL!
That is not true. In fact that FAA required it back then. Wrong. How is the FAA going to intercept an aircraft anyway? And the ONLY time a private aircraft was intercepted was golfer Payne Stewart's aircraft in 1999, and it took an hour and 20 minutes to reach it. Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president
Good grief, is there no end to your ignorance? And as Griffin points out in Debunking 9/11 Debunking, “In this account NORAD made 379 interceptions per year, 354 of which ‘involved visually inspecting unidentified aircraft in distress,’ not intercepting planes suspected of smuggling drugs. Besides the fact that 1992 was part of ‘the decade before 9/11,’ it is doubtful that the pattern of interceptions would have changed radically after that.” A Canadian government performance report on their arm of NORAD for 1999-2000 (pdf), the same period as the Payne Stewart flight, relevant to military operations in the years leading up to the 9/11 attacks, backs up Griffin’s statements. The report states, “If required, ‘unknown aircraft’ are intercepted and identified by aircraft dedicated to NORAD. Over the past year, NORAD has intercepted 736 aircraft, 82 of which were suspected drug smugglers…” In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much You take one undocumented claim by a kook and accept it as meaning something. You kooks love your echo chambers. Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president
Oh, I guess in your delusional world, a 1994 United States General Accounting Office report on continental air defense is considered "kooky" and "undocumented". Not to mention a Canadian government performance report on their arm of NORAD for 1999-2000 (pdf), Do you have any idea how ignorant you are making yourself appear? In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much Give the pilot, the flight number, the plane information, the date or any information whatsoever of any planes that were subject to intercepts over onshore areas before 911. You won't do it because you can't do it because they don't exist. Take it back to kookland, kook. Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president
#2. To: no gnu taxes (#1)
(Edited)
Before 9/11, there were no provisions for onshore intercept of aircraft.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#3. To: Deckard (#2)
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#4. To: Deckard (#0)
#5. To: Deckard (#0)
Why is NORAD able to track Santa Claus yet on September 11th, 2001 the air defense network had predictable and effective procedures for dealing with an attack and failed to respond in a timely manner until after the attack was over,
#6. To: Vicomte13 (#4)
NORAD was thinking about Russians, not United.
#7. To: Pericles (#6)
#8. To: redleghunter (#7)
LOL. Yet he does deliver to Latin Rite and Proddies too!
#9. To: redleghunter (#7)
Yet he does deliver to Latin Rite and Proddies too!
#10. To: Pericles (#8)
#11. To: no gnu taxes (#1)
Before 9/11, there were no provisions for onshore intercept of aircraft.
#12. To: redleghunter (#10)
I knew you would pick up on the sweat shop Santa is running in international territory. :)
#13. To: Deckard (#0)
Why is NORAD able to track Santa Claus in Real Time?
#14. To: A K A Stone (#11)
(Edited)
Before 9/11, there were no provisions for onshore intercept of aircraft.
#15. To: no gnu taxes (#14)
And the ONLY time a private aircraft was intercepted was golfer Payne Stewart's aircraft in 1999, and it took an hour and 20 minutes to reach it.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#16. To: Deckard (#15)
NORAD made 379 interceptions per year
#17. To: no gnu taxes (#16)
You take one undocumented claim by a kook and accept it as meaning something.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#18. To: Deckard (#17)
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