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To see when He was born I bought a star-tracking program called Distant Suns and installed it on my computer. Then I set it to incrementally display the sky over Bethlehem for every hour of every day between 7 BC and 4 BC (when the experts said Jesus was born). I was rewarded when it displayed the sky over Bethlehem on March 27th, 4 BC. At high noon, Venus (the Star in the East) appeared directly over Bethlehem during a solar eclipse. So I celebrate Christmas twice, on the traditional date and again on March 27th. Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest #1. To: interpreter (#0) What town was Venus over on April 4, 2001? Vicomte13  posted on  2015-12-24   18:02:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #2. To: interpreter, interpreter (#0) No one in the early Church ever claimed Jesus was born on 12/25. In the ancient world, no one celebrated a birthday. The number of the year as usually either the reign of the current king. No one had a calendar at home to fix a date. That is why the Orthodox east preserves "name days" where a date - usually arbitrarily selected on the calendar is picked by the Church. So people with that name know to celebrate on the saint's name day. St. George is when all George's for example would be congratulated in April and so on. The early Church did not pick December 25 because Jesus was born then but to pick a day to celebrate the birth of Jesus and also to counter a popular official pagan holiday. Also, there was sort of a third reason to pick this. By celebrating the birth of Jesus in December it countered the pagan holidays that associate winter with death. It subverts paganistic mythology by celebrating a new life in the midst of the month where the pagans thought life died. Pericles  posted on  2015-12-24   19:46:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #3. To: interpreter (#0) Back a day or two I asked this question: Have you ever heard folks, who claim to be smart, say that CHRISTmas, December 25th is a pagan holiday? Well today I reckon I'll answer that question. "How long was the ministry of Christ?” Well according to the four Gospels and tidbits found in the other writings of the New Testament, Jesus preached for either 2 years and 3 months or three years and three months. (Coyunting the Passovers can be difficult) Now we know that the Lord died on the cross and was resurrected sometime in either late March or early April, so deducting three months from the date of his death we can arrive at the date of His birth. So Jesus was born between late December and early January. So enjoy your celebration of CHRISTmas, celebrate the birth of the Lord, the God of Creation. A very merry CHRISTmas to all of you. Eli, Eli, nai erchomai Kurios Iesous. BobCeleste  posted on  2015-12-24   20:19:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #4. To: Pericles (#2) The early Church did not pick December 25 because Jesus was born then but to pick a day to celebrate the birth of Jesus and also to counter a popular official pagan holiday. Wrong. The history books say Santa Claus calculated that Jesus was born on Dec. 25th based on Luke's Gospel. First, he determined when Zacharias and the priests in the division of Abijah served in the temple, and assumed that he got his wife Elizabeth pregnant as soon as he returned home. Then he added 6 months for when the angel appeared to her cousin Mary and told her she would conceive and give birth to Jesus. Then he added 9 months and arrived at December 25th for the birth of Jesus (and then started the tradition of giving out presents to needy children on that day). The main problem with St. Nick's calculation is, he was wrong about when the division of Abijah served in the temple. And Santa Claus was not always so jolly by the way. The history books say that at the first ecumenical council (held in Nicea) St. Nick slapped Arias so hard that his teeth rattled and his knees buckled. My favorite Christmas card is the ones sold at Greek Orthodox Churches called "The real St. Nick." Turns out, he was very skinny. Further proving Jesus was born on March 27th, Venus also appeared over the hill country of Judea 6 months earlier when John the Baptist was born as Luke tells us. (In Luke's Gospel, Venus is called the Dayspring star). It turns out, Jesus was born on the first day of the Jews sacred calendar, and John was born on the first day of the Jew's secular calendar. That arguably fulfills a verse in Job (38:7) about two Morning Stars that sing together when the cornerstone of God's creation is laid (probably taken by the Jewish wise men to mean when the Messiah would be born). The wise men were no doubt the calendar keepers from the Qumran community which is due east of Jerusalem (and not three kings from the Far East who would have no interest in a king of the Jews being born). Also, the history books tell us that "all of Jerusalem" was expecting the Messiah to be born in 4 BC, which is exactly 4000 years after Adam appeared in the Garden of Eden (which happens to be where and when the first civilization appeared and the first writing, etc., in short, the first civilized man). And March 27th was 5 days before Herod died which agrees with Matthew's Gospel. Also the Star of David represents both the Messiah and a bright Morning Star marking His birth, and Jesus calls himself the bright Morning Star in Rev. 22:16. interpreter  posted on  2015-12-26   10:43:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #5. To: interpreter (#4) That arguably fulfills a verse in Job (38:7) about two Morning Stars that sing together when the cornerstone of God's creation is laid John was not born yet and is not part of the creation. So there goes another one of your hair brained theories. A K A Stone  posted on  2015-12-26   11:13:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #6. To: BobCeleste (#3) Now we know that the Lord died on the cross and was resurrected sometime in either late March or early April Using the same star tracker, Distant Suns, I was able to determined the day, hour and minute that Jesus was hung on the cross. The Gospels tell us that when Jesus was hung on the cross, there was darkness for 3 hours from noon till 3PM (see Mat. 27:45). Distant Suns reveals that there was a total solar eclipse over Jerusalem on April 10, 30AD and it lasted approximately 3 hours from noon till 3. That happens to be the Thursday (and not Friday) before the High Sabbath marking the start of Passover as John tells us in John 19:31. (Jesus does not make any failed prophesies, and for Jesus to be in the grave for three days and three nights like He prophesied, He had to be crucified on a Thursday). interpreter  posted on  2015-12-26   11:36:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #7. To: A K A Stone (#5) John was not born yet and is not part of the creation. So there goes another one of your hair brained theories. It is not a hair-brained theory. In the OT the prophesied Messiah is often called the cornerstone (see Psalm 118:22, Isaiah 21:16, Zechariah 10:4). In the NT, in the Gospels, Jesus says He is the prophesied cornerstone (see Matthew 21:42, Mark 12:10, Luke 20:17). interpreter  posted on  2015-12-26   12:10:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest

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