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From the NYT: Obama Accuses Trump of Exploiting Working-Class Fears By JULIE HIRSCHFELD DAVIS A less tendentious way to phrase that headline would be Obama Says Trump Is Defending Working-Class Interests, which is still legal going into 2016, although I’m sure respectable opinion is coming around to concluding that Steps Must Be Taken. When we take that racist populist Andrew Jackson off the $20 bill, that would be a good point to take away his signal reform, universal white male suffrage and go back to property requirements for white men to vote. DEC. 21, 2015 1737 COMMENTS President Obama said in a radio interview airing on Monday that Donald J. Trump, a leading contender for the Republican presidential nomination, is exploiting the resentment and anxieties of working-class men to boost his campaign. Mr. Obama also argued that some of the scorn directed at him personally stems from the fact that he is the first African-American to hold the White House. Demographic changes and economic stresses, including “flat-lining” wages and incomes, have meant that “particularly blue-collar men have had a lot of trouble in this new economy, where they are no longer getting the same bargain that they got when they were going to a factory and able to support their families on a single paycheck,” Mr. Obama said in the interview with National Public Radio. “You combine those things, and it means that there is going to be potential anger, frustration, fear — some of it justified, but just misdirected,” the president added. “I think somebody like Mr. Trump is taking advantage of that. That’s what he’s exploiting during the course of his campaign.” The text string “immigra” does not appear in the NYT article. Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest #1. To: nativist nationalist (#0) Obama Says Trump Defends Working-class Interests Somebody has to do it and defend working class based industries as well. rlk  posted on  2015-12-22   16:21:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #2. To: rlk (#1) Trump is a plutocrat who regularly flaunts his extraordinary wealth. The working class workers have nothing in common with him. They are being fooled by someone who screams that his opponents are corrupted by the donor class (you know.....like Trump who uses donations to enhance his business interests ) . There is a disconnect here . To Trump ,the rust belt and the cornfields of Iowa are flyover country . He brings his private jet there because he can't stand to spend more than a couple hours with them before he jet sets back to his Park Avenue home. No doubt he takes long showers after such campaign stops . What Trump supporters are really saying is the way to counter the influence of super rich power hungry crony corporist who only care about themselves is to elect...a super rich, power hungry corporist who only cares about himself....as long as he continues to build a wall . Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? tomder55  posted on  2015-12-22   17:38:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #3. To: tomder55 (#2) "The working class workers have nothing in common with him." Trump wants to create jobs. They want jobs. I'd say they're on common ground. misterwhite  posted on  2015-12-22   18:42:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #4. To: misterwhite (#3) He wants to slap tariffs and sanctions on trading partners. That would hurt American jobs,not create them. The only thing about his plan that is pro job growth is parts of his tax plan ,specifically the reduction in the corporate tax rate . But there has never been a time when his beggar thy neighbor polices have been good for domestic jobs. Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? tomder55  posted on  2015-12-22   19:20:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #5. To: tomder55 (#4) "He wants to slap tariffs and sanctions on trading partners." Only to prevent the loss of American jobs caused by their actions. misterwhite  posted on  2015-12-22   19:58:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #6. To: tomder55 (#2) So, what rich guy or bought politician do you support instead of Trump? Vicomte13  posted on  2015-12-22   20:48:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #7. To: tomder55 (#4) He wants to slap tariffs and sanctions on trading partners. That is what you are supposed to do. It levels the playing field. You like it tilted towards our advesaries. You support the New World Order and global buerocrats telling us to obey some global order. That isn't what America was supposed to be. You should be asamed of yourself. Selling out your countrymen so you can sell to slave labor countries. Or import slave labor goods. In other words you support exploitating other people and making it global law. Like some kind of new world order or something. A K A Stone  posted on  2015-12-22   21:08:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #8. To: A K A Stone, tomder55 (#7) It levels the playing field. There is no "playing field" much less "leveling" the misconception. Power is held in the few hands of an elite strata of the wealthy. They won't relinquish POWER unless they are forced to capitulate their sustained POWER. But, why would anyone advocate a revolution? Isn't the suggestion of revolution in America against the law? buckeroo  posted on  2015-12-22   22:51:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #9. To: tomder55 (#2) (Edited) What you wrote about Trump’s taking showers and his disdain for flyover country is your own fantasy and writing creation. You don’t know what Trump thinks or why. It’s simply your own trashy version of a hit or smear piece that you are presenting as fact. I don’t know what Trump is thinking or how he thinks. Let me tell you a secret. It’s the common little people who make this country run. I went to the supermarket today to get some cans of soup and tuna fish. I have to marvel at the boat captain in charge of catching the fish, the people who cooked it, the people who made the cans to put it in, the trucker who brought it to the store, and the people who stocked the shelves to provide us with something to eat. It’s the little people, the machinists, the mail carriers, the people working on assembly lines, the coal miners, etc. who are more important to this country than all the loud mouthed slick politicians and social theorists combined. Maybe Trump understands that. I hope for our sake he does. You never will. There’s an unheard of story about Reagan. They had a big meeting Reagan attended. Reagan disappeared. Where the hell was Reagan? He ought to be out slapping backs and impressing people with fancy talk. They finally found him in a secluded room talking with a truck driver where they discussed what he did, how he did it, and any problems he was having. Reagan had spent two hours in common relaxed conversation with a truck driver and had got only one vote out of it. rlk  posted on  2015-12-22   23:14:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #10. To: rlk (#9) What you wrote about Trump’s taking showers and his disdain for flyover country is your own fantasy and writing creation. You don’t know what Trump thinks or why. It’s simply your own trashy version of a hit or smear piece that you are presenting as fact. I don’t know what Trump is thinking or how he thinks. You know I was thinking the same thing. This guy just makes stuff up. Not honest and honorable it appears. A K A Stone  posted on  2015-12-23   1:26:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #11. To: rlk (#9) and Reagan was born of that group of Americans ,as I am . The real facts are that tariffs hurt domestic industries . They don't help them. Tax cuts and especially regulatory relief after the anti business rule making assault by the emperor , not trade barriers, are the solution to America's competitiveness deficit. Reforming or repealing Dodd-Frank, the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, EPA imposing regulations, and the National Labor Relations Board ;the maze of licenses and codes that pose barriers to small business startups would help the American worker . Moves toward protectionism in America would give other nations an easy excuse to erect higher trade barriers of their own, and the domino effect could shut down worldwide trade . This happened in the years before the great depression when Hoover lobbied for and signed Smoot-Hawley . The loss of confidence in the market led to 'Black Friday' ,and the trade wars the act created led to a decade long depression. I have a great idea to test your theories on trade. Right now the Saudis are flooding the market with cheap oil . Our domestic industry cannot possibly compete with the pricing . One by one ,the frackers are capping their wells . This has led to the lowest gas prices at the pumps in years . American workers have more money to spend because they are not paying the prices at the pump they were paying . So to protect the domestic oil industry why don't we impose a tariff on the import of Saudi oil that would bring prices back up to the $4 -$5 gallon mark it was at ? Let's see how the working class feels about that as they would have less money to spend elsewhere. Also other domestic companies in other industries will now sell fewer goods because Americans have to spend more to purchase the tariffed products. Oh you would be protecting the jobs of the frackers temporarily , but at the expense of fewer people employed elsewhere in the economy. When Bush imposed steel tariffs ,a few steel mill towns benefitted at the expense of many companies who fabricate with steel and were now paying higher prices for the raw material they used. Out of necessity they raised their prices to their customers ,and the domino effect went on . In the end ,the American consumers foot the bill. Another more recent example is the American solar power industry that is really in it's infancy ,but has grown to employ 150,000 workers .But the success of solar depends on beating the cost of other forms of electricity generation'. Right now there is a move to punish China for 'dumping' cheap solar cells on the market . But the US solar industry is dependent on those cheap cells to make their product competitive . SolarWorld seeks increased tariffs on solar products imported from China, as well as an expansion of tariffs to include products from Taiwan. At the beginning of June, the Department of Commerce released a preliminary determination in SolarWorld's favor and began collecting duties as high as 35 percent on imports of solar products. Solar businesses and customers are already feeling the effect .The new tariffs will raise the price of solar panels by 14 percent.Rather than protecting the solar industry, tariffs hurt the American workers employed in solar companies the tariffs aim to help. And it ripples across the economy . Installers of solar products suffer too . But what is really insane is that to keep the industry competitive ,the government then proposes subsidies .So now the American worker pays for it with both higher prices and with taxes . The argument for protectionism is the argument for higher prices, economic stagnation, and domestic monopolies and cartels. “In every country it always is and must be the interest of the great body of the people to buy whatever they want of those who sell it cheapest.” “The proposition is so very manifest that it seems ridiculous to take any pains to prove it; nor could it ever have been called in question, had not the interested sophistry of merchants and manufacturers confounded the commonsense of mankind.” Adam Smith 'The Wealth of Nations'. Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? tomder55  posted on  2015-12-23   5:28:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #12. To: A K A Stone (#10) Trump doesn't give a rat's ass about the middle class. The only thing he ever did for them was to build casinos where they can spend their hard earned dollars . How many of them can afford to spend a night in his hotels ; rent an apartment in his ritzy high rises ;join his country clubs or even pay the fees for membership to his golf courses ? His father built middle class housing but he doesn't. The thing he learned from his father is how to get the local government to foot much of the bill to build his projects . He is the crony capitalist you claim to despise. Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? tomder55  posted on  2015-12-23   5:55:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #13. To: Vicomte13 (#6) (Edited) So, what rich guy or bought politician do you support instead of Trump? As of now Cruz would be my choice. The difference between them is stark. Cruz went to Iowa and told them flat out he does not support ethanol subsidies even though that is a politically unpopular position to take in the state. Trump supports government interference in the market place. Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? tomder55  posted on  2015-12-23   6:06:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #14. To: tomder55 (#12) You lie a lot. Why do you feel the need to make stuff up. Sentence 1 of yours is a made up lie. There is no way for you to know who he cares about. So you are a documented liar. Sentence 2 is also a lie. The only thing Trump did was not build casinos. He did much more. Sentence 3 shows you are covetous and jealous. Lots of people can't afford to do lots of different things. Your words show you think Trump should do the stuff for free. Like a socialist. Your sentence 4 is correct. His father built middle class houses but he doesn't. So why do you think it is important for you to decide what Trump builds. Are you some kind of control freak? Is it dishonorable to build skyscrapers or something? So sentence 4 doesn't amount to anything either. I think sentence 5 is a made up lie also. Document it. Sentence 6 also isn't accurate in my view. He builds mostly private things. So in conclusion to your remarks. We can observe some things. 1. You LIE and make up stuff that you can't possibly know is true about people you disagree with. 2. You're dumb if you think Trump only makes casinos. 3. You think everyone should be able to stay in one of Trumps places like some kind of socialist. 4. You think that if someone doesn't do the work that you think they should be doing then they are a bad person. That is a sick trait. Why don't you try to change and point out real things. Not prejudices made up in your mind. I fully expect you to support Hillary over Trump in the general election. It is who you are. You agree with Hillary on Trade. You agree with Hillary on foreign policy. You agreed with her on Iraq invasion. You agree with Hillary that we need a WTO to tell us what to do. Face it your basically a liberal except social issues. A K A Stone  posted on  2015-12-23   10:54:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #15. To: tomder55 (#13) As of now Cruz would be my choice. The difference between them is stark. Cruz went to Iowa and told them flat out he does not support ethanol subsidies even though that is a politically unpopular position to take in the state. Trump supports government interference in the market place. That is not a top 100 issue. Who gives a shit. A K A Stone  posted on  2015-12-23   10:57:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #16. To: buckeroo (#8) They won't relinquish POWER unless they are forced to capitulate their sustained POWER. But, why would anyone advocate a revolution? Isn't the suggestion of revolution in America against the law? Revolutions are the only way that some degree of human equality has ever been won. The powerful never relinquish power at all. It has always had to be seized from them by force. And the powerful have always fought with deadly force to avoid relinquishing power. That, in turn, provokes revolution, and all of the important popular revolutions of history - the English, the French, the Russian, the Mexican, the Chinese, the Cuban - have been justified. Of course, once the people's blood starts being spilled for seeking to get what is there's by right of having been born, the people become enraged, and in their rage they kill a lot more of the powerful than may be strictly necessary, but that too is the fault of the powerful. For the powerful always shed first blood. To BECOME powerful in the first place, to gain mastery over the society, they had to shed blood long ago, and they maintain their imperium through the threat of force. Therefore, when those who are held under seek to assert themselves, even to assert their fundamental equality with the grandees, they always do so against an armed force of authority that seeks to kick them down. The armed agents of the powerful are themselves usually working class people who serve their masters for pay, but who are not particularly refined in their methods or respectful. For through the authority of their masters, they exercise ersatz authority over their peers and their betters, and they enjoy it. This makes them quite odious, when things start to unravel, and when blood starts flowing, it's usually THEIR blood that flows the most, both because they are the actual agents of the powerful who are physically present and can be gotten at, and because they are deeply resented by the peers and betters they have oppressed. Really powerful people did not collect the taxes in any of the great empires that experienced a revolution, but in general the working and middle class people who WERE the tax collectors for the regime that falls get slaughtered. After all, it wasn't the KING who came in and evicted families, it was the local bailiffs and sheriffs and tax collectors. In revolutions, kings sometimes end up in exile, but tax collectors who were their agents, don't have the means of escape. So they generally end up as fertilizer. Vicomte13  posted on  2015-12-23   11:03:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #17. To: tomder55 (#13) As of now Cruz would be my choice. Asked by a Republican gay-rights supporter at a Madison Avenue fundraiser in New York if a Ted Cruz administration would make fighting gay marriage a top priority, the candidate's reply was succinct: "No." from some article A K A Stone  posted on  2015-12-23   11:10:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #18. To: A K A Stone (#14) (Edited) Trump doesn't give a rat's ass about the middle class. The only thing he ever did for them was to build casinos where they can spend their hard earned dollars . How many of them can afford to spend a night in his hotels ; rent an apartment in his ritzy high rises ;join his country clubs or even pay the fees for membership to his golf courses ? His father built middle class housing but he doesn't. The thing he learned from his father is how to get the local government to foot much of the bill to build his projects . He is the crony capitalist you claim to despise. 1st sentence is an opinion. Just like my saying Trump is only exploiting the fears of the working class is an opinion. 2nd sentence I CLEARLY said " The only thing he ever did for them was to build casinos ".Maybe you have reading comprehension problems (that is just a speculation.. I'm not definitely saying you do) My 3rd and 4th sentences was further evidence that he does not do anything for the working class. It illustrates the disconnect between his rhetoric and his actions .I frankly don't care what he builds ,and no I don't think anyone should do things for free. You are lying about me .....or was that an opinion ? Sentence 5 are you asking me if Trump or his old man are crony capitalists . It doesn't matter because the answer is yes for both . Fred Trump built his real estate empire first during the depression with mortgage guarantees from the Federal Housing Administration (FHA) that allowed him to build thousands of homes in Brooklyn, becoming the borough’s biggest builder. He later went on the do the same in Chester, Pennsylvania, and in Norfolk and Newport News, Virginia during WWII . He refused to testify to the Senate’s Banking and Currency Committee when he was accused of skimming . His claim to fame came after the war was when he used his political influence with the Brooklyn Democratic Party machine and the administration of Mayor Robert Wagner, to whom Trump was a top donor, to get 40 acres of land for himself ,and a generous tax abatement to build Trump Village in Coney Island. New York State put up 90 percent of the funding to erect Trump Village. But at least that was housing for middle class workers . Trump does the same and I have documented numerous times where he took advantage of government give backs ,I'll mention a couple more and will still have many more to mention in future discussions . Do you deny that he does business that way ? He calls it the 'the art of the deal' and emphasizes his negotiating skills . But what he is really negotiating for is kick backs by local governments . By his own admission he is a big political donor and that he does it to better his business interests . When the Trump Golf Links in Ferry Point, Bronx, opened in April, the city’s Independent Budget Office estimated that $230 million in public subsidies had been poured into the project. Who do you think is going to use it ;the average working class person or their bosses ? By the time the tax breaks for Trump Tower is over ,he will have received $163.8 million of taxpayer money . Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? tomder55  posted on  2015-12-23   11:50:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #19. To: tomder55, sneakypete (#18) I'm impressed by your summary of Trump the Chump. Fred Mertz  posted on  2015-12-23   12:07:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #20. To: A K A Stone (#14) Why do you feel the need to make stuff up. When one's head is empty, fantasy and conjecture become a necessity. rlk  posted on  2015-12-23   14:33:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #21. To: rlk (#20) " When one's head is empty, fantasy and conjecture become a necessity. " LOL ! Si vis pacem, para bellum Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. There are no Carthaginian terrorists. “The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his.” - George S. Patton Stoner  posted on  2015-12-23   14:48:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #22. To: A K A Stone (#15) That is not a top 100 issue. Who gives a shit. Intelligent people? Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them. sneakypete  posted on  2015-12-23   14:52:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #23. To: A K A Stone (#17) Asked by a Republican gay-rights supporter at a Madison Avenue fundraiser in New York if a Ted Cruz administration would make fighting gay marriage a top priority, the candidate's reply was succinct: "No." from some article Oh,yeah. Who cares about the ethanol subsidies that are corporate welfare for wealthy farmers who are polluting our water basins and creating additional expenses for working class people,when you can worry about earth-shattering stuff about a few homos marrying each other,huh? After all,if homos can marry,your marriage is no longer proof YOU aren't a homo,right? Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them. sneakypete  posted on  2015-12-23   14:55:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #24. To: Fred Mertz, tomder55 (#19) I'm impressed by your summary of Trump the Chump. Me,too. Anybody that believes that Trump cares anything about anybody other than Trump is too stupid to be allowed to vote. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them. sneakypete  posted on  2015-12-23   14:58:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #25. To: rlk (#20) When one's head is empty, fantasy and conjecture become a necessity. When one is senile,fantasy and conjecture are reality. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them. sneakypete  posted on  2015-12-23   15:00:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #26. To: A K A Stone (#15) As of now Cruz would be my choice. The difference between them is stark. Cruz went to Iowa and told them flat out he does not support ethanol subsidies even though that is a politically unpopular position to take in the state. Trump supports government interference in the market place. That is not a top 100 issue. Indeed it is not when we are under invasion from all sides both externally and internally from a multitude of directions and variables. However, it presents the diversional image to the hicks of firmly standing for something, even if it is inconsequential. When your house is on fire, call the fire department, not the dog pound. Cruz is a lost cause who has little conception of what's going on. rlk  posted on  2015-12-23   15:19:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #27. To: sneakypete, A K A Stone (#23) After all,if homos can marry,your marriage is no longer proof YOU aren't a homo,right? snicker buckeroo  posted on  2015-12-23   19:48:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest

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