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Title: Propaganda Can’t Melt Steel Beams
Source: Kevin Ryan
URL Source: http://digwithin.net/
Published: Dec 20, 2015
Author: Kevin Ryan
Post Date: 2015-12-20 21:04:19 by Operation 40
Keywords: 911, twoofer, sycophant
Views: 18779
Comments: 74

Kevin Ryan at Dig Within, 12/20/2015:

Eleven years ago, I initiated a discussion about the fact that jet fuel fires could not have melted steel at the World Trade Center. The government agency investigating the WTC destruction responded by holding “some of its deliberations in secret.” Although it’s not a secret that jet fuel can’t melt steel, due to propaganda from sources like The Washington Post and The Huffington Post, Americans often get confused about what facts like that mean to any national discussion. In a nutshell, what it means is that the molten metal found at the WTC, for which there is a great deal of evidence, cannot be explained by the official 9/11 myth.

Today no one thinks that jet fuel fires can melt steel beams—not even The Posts’ new science champion, who doesn’t bother to actually use jet fuel or steel beams to teach us about “retarded metallurgical things.” Instead, he uses a thin metal rod and a blacksmith forge to imply that, if the WTC buildings were made of thin metal rods and there were lots of blacksmith forges there, the thin metal rods would have lost strength and this would be the result. If you buy that as an explanation for what happened at the WTC, you might agree that everyone should just stop questioning 9/11.

This absurd demonstration highlights at least two major problems with America’s ongoing struggle to understand 9/11. The first is that there was a great deal of molten metal at the WTC. Those who know that fact sometimes share internet memes that say “Jet Fuel Can’t Melt Steel Beams” when they want to convey that “Thermite Melted Steel at the WTC.” The second major problem is that certain mainstream media sources continue to put a lot of energy into dis-informing the public about 9/11.

Sources like The Posts, The New York Times and some “alternative media” continue to work hard to support the official myth of 9/11. That effort is not easy because they must do so while providing as little actual information about 9/11 as possible. The dumbing down of the average citizen is a full time job for such propagandists. Luckily for them, American students receive almost no historical context that encourages them to think critically or consider ideas that conflict with blind allegiance to their government. When it comes to the WTC, it also helps that almost 80% of Americans are scientifically illiterate.

As media companies attempt to confuse the public about 9/11, they must avoid relating details that might actually get citizens interested in the subject. For example, it’s imperative that they never mention any of these fourteen facts about 9/11. It is also important to never reference certain people, like the ordnance distribution expert (and Iran-Contra suspect) who managed security at the WTC or the tortured top al Qaeda leader who turned out to have nothing to do with al Qaeda. In fact, to support the official myth of 9/11 these days, media must ignore almost every aspect of the crimes while promoting only the most mindless nonsense they can find. Unfortunately, that bewildering strategy becomes more obvious every day.snip more http://digwithin.net/

Kevin Ryan is the former Site Manager for Environmental Health Laboratories, a division of Underwriters Laboratories (UL). Mr. Ryan, a Chemist and laboratory manager, was fired by UL in 2004 for publicly questioning the report being drafted by the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) on their World Trade Center investigation. In the intervening period, Ryan has completed additional research while his original questions, which have become increasingly important over time, remain unanswered by UL or NIST.

Through interviews, presentations, and his work as co-editor at the online Journal of 911 Studies, Mr. Ryan works to bring out the truth behind the events of 9/11/01 for the benefit of all people. http://ultruth.com/Kevin_Ryan.htm


For the Unthinking Fuckwit from Purgatory Iron Works and His Idiotic “Jet Fuel” Demonstration
Posted on December 17, 2015 by willyloman

“If it (9/11) was a conspiracy, I do not care.” Trenton Tye,
genius welder

OK. So we have another phony, “Redneck Dixon White” fuckwit over at Youtube, a guy by the name of Trenton Tye, who has put together a simpleton’s version of “the Truth” regarding what did or did not happen on 9/11.

Tye has taken time from his “busy day” of working on Youtube videos, a whole 2 minutes mind you, to show the public just how stupid “truthers” are when it comes to the steel in the Twin Towers.

I, on the other hand, have been researching and writing about those events for the past 8 years and have published over 100 articles of my own work on the subject.

Of course, his substance-free and DEEPLY FLAWED demonstration has been latched upon by several main stream media outlets as the end-all be-all “debunking” of the Truth advocates out here who say the key evidence in the demolition of the Twin Towers rests in the melted steel.

That is patently false and Tye knows it.

This article, which I will try to make into a video if my computer allows it, and which I will direct toward Tye himself, will pick his ignorant argument apart, piece by piece starting with the first thing that came out of his mouth:

1. “If it (9/11) was a conspiracy, I do not care.”

Many people do care, Tye, that’s why they spend years researching what happened that day. Because, unlike you, some of us (US) do give a shit about finding out who was responsible for the event that killed so many people in New York, Pennsylvania and DC that day and subsequently launched war after war across the Middle East killing scores more (US troops and civilians alike) and leaving 10 times that number scarred for life (US troops and civilians alike). And that’s too say nothing of the constitutional rights we all had to give up for the Patriot Act or the trillions of dollars of debt your kids will have to pay for the wars, you fucking imbecile.

..snip more https://willyloman.wordpress.com/2015/12/17/for-the-unthinking-fuckwit-from-purgatory-iron-works-and-his-idiotic-jet-fuel-demonstration/


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#7. To: Operation 40 (#0)

Since it is clearly evident that the collapse of the towers started at the point of plane impact in both towers, you have to believe one of two things if you believe they were brought down by a demolition:

1) That teams planted explosives at the exact places the planes would impact without anyone noticing, and the pilots were knowledgeable of and could hit these exact points. Also, you believe for some reason it took many minutes after the planes hit before the explosives detonated.

or

2) That teams of explosives experts (that no one noticed) were in place at the points of impact and survived the impact. They then planted and detonated explosives after the impact on a suicide mission.

So which one of these scenarios do you believe? And why the need for the planes anyway if the buildings could just brought down with explosives?

I'm still waiting for you to tell me which scenario you actually believe.

no gnu taxes  posted on  2015-12-21   10:07:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: no gnu taxes (#7)

I'm still waiting for you to tell me which scenario you actually believe.

What makes you think I have to believe either of those statements?

I want a real investigation, where Bush must testify under oath. Is that so hard to imagine?

Still waiting for you to answer this: Why do you think Bush didn't want an investigation into the biggest crime against America in history?

Now since I answered your question, please reciprocate. TIA

Operation 40  posted on  2015-12-21   20:07:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Operation 40 (#32)

There was an investigation, nut job.

no gnu taxes  posted on  2015-12-21   20:08:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: no gnu taxes (#34)

There was an investigation, nut job.

Attention Jackass: Still waiting for you to answer this: Why do you think Bush didn't want an investigation into the biggest crime against America in history?

Now since I answered your question, please reciprocate. TIA

Why can't you answer that? If you fail to provide an answer, we're done. Further "replies" from you to me will be ignored.

sycophant

Operation 40  posted on  2015-12-22   0:25:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Operation 40 (#43)

Find it and read it, kook.

no gnu taxes  posted on  2015-12-22   9:08:28 ET  (1 image) Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: no gnu taxes, Operation 40 (#44)

Find it and read it, kook.

The 9/11 Commission Rejects own Report as Based on Government Lies

In John Farmer’s book: “The Ground Truth: The Story Behind America’s Defense on 9/11", the author builds the inescapably convincing case that the official version... is almost entirely untrue...

The 9/11 Commission now tells us that the official version of 9/11 was based on false testimony and documents and is almost entirely untrue. The details of this massive cover-up are carefully outlined in a book by John Farmer, who was the Senior Counsel for the 9/11 Commission.

Farmer, Dean of Rutger Universities' School of Law and former Attorney General of New Jersey, was responsible for drafting the original flawed 9/11 report.

Does Farmer have cooperation and agreement from other members of the Commission? Yes. Did they say Bush ordered 9/11? No. Do they say that the 9/11 Commission was lied to by the FBI, CIA, Whitehouse and NORAD? Yes. Is there full documentary proof of this? Yes.

Farmer states...“at some level of the government, at some point in time…there was an agreement not to tell the truth about what happened... I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described …. The [Norad air defense] tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years. This is not spin.”

The 9/11 Commission head, Thomas Kean, was the Republican governor of New Jersey. He had the following to say... “We to this day don’t know why NORAD [the North American Aerospace Command] told us what they told us, it was just so far from the truth. . . " When Bush's own handpicked commission failed to go along with the cover up and requested a criminal investigation, why was nothing done?

9/11 Commission member and former US Senator, Bob Kerrey, says, "No one is more qualified to write the definitive book about the tragedy of 9/11 than John Farmer. Fortunately, he has done so. Even more fortunately the language is clear, alive and instructive for anyone who wants to make certain this never happens again."

With the only "official" 9/11 report now totally false, where do we go from here? Who is hurt by these lies? The families of the victims of 9/11 have fought, for years, to get to the truth. For years, our government has hidden behind lies and secrecy to deny them closure.

Deckard  posted on  2015-12-22   9:24:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Deckard, no gnu taxes, Operation 40 (#47)

Your lives must really suck! Its been 15 years and not one person has come forward. You grab at straws. Once you get passed the ct hype its all explained.

Just like jfk assassination. It has just enough bs to make you think hmmmm what if????

Justified  posted on  2015-12-22   10:01:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Justified (#48)

Your lives must really suck! Its been 15 years and not one person has come forward.

Oh, so that is your ultimate standard of proof, "someone coming forward"?

How about the firefighters in this video? Yeah - they must all be kooks.

Just like jfk assassination.

Oh, let me guess - you're one of those "Magic Bullet" cultists too.

Figures since you have shown an inability to think for yourself.

Deckard  posted on  2015-12-22   10:23:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Deckard (#49)

What he thought something was funny and heard noises that sound like explosions?

As for the JFK magic bullet its actually been prove to be accurate by a group in Australia who actually made the exact same shot.

It must really suck living thinking everything is a ct! How do you even walk out of your house and work for a living?

Justified  posted on  2015-12-22   10:27:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Justified (#50) (Edited)

As for the JFK magic bullet its actually been prove to be accurate by a group in Australia who actually made the exact same shot.

Oh for crying out loud!

Now I've heard everything.

You don't have a clue as to what the term "magic bullet" even refers to, do you?

Anyways, Oswald was a poor marksman who used a shitty rifle.

How Good a Shot was Oswald?

Oswald had served in the Marines several years before the JFK assassination, and had been trained and tested in rifle shooting. The Warren Commission needed to show that he was a better marksman than the experts from the US Army and the FBI.

Oswald’s Marine Rifle Marksmanship Scores

In the late 1950s, US Marines were categorised at three levels of shooting ability, according to the scores they achieved at a standardised test of their accuracy:

  1. Expert: a score of 220 to 250.
  2. Sharpshooter: 210 to 219.
  3. Marksman: 190 to 209.

According to his Marine score card (Commission Exhibit 239), Oswald was tested twice:

  1. In December 1956, after “a very intensive 3 weeks’ training period” (Warren Commission Hearings, vol.11, p.302), Oswald scored 212: two marks above the minimum for a ‘sharpshooter’.
  2. In May 1959, he scored 191: one mark above the minimum for a ‘marksman’.

Colonel Allison Folsom interpreted the results for the Warren Commission:

The Marine Corps consider that any reasonable application of the instructions given to Marines should permit them to become qualified at least as a marksman. To become qualified as a sharpshooter, the Marine Corps is of the opinion that most Marines with a reasonable amount of adaptability to weapons firing can become so qualified. Consequently, a low marksman qualification indicates a rather poor “shot” and a sharpshooter qualification indicates a fairly good “shot”.

(Warren Commission Hearings, vol.19, pp.17

The Quality of Oswald’s Rifles

During his tests, Oswald had used “presumably a good to excellent rifle” (Warren Commission Hearings, vol.11, p.304).

The Mannlicher Carcano rifle that was discovered on the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository, however, was a “cheap old weapon” (Warren Commission Hearings, vol.4, p.29).

It was examined by the FBI’s firearms specialist, who stated that:

Every time we changed the adjusting screws to move the crosshairs in the telescopic sight in one direction it also affected the movement of the impact or the point of impact in the other direction. … We fired several shots and found that the shots were not all landing in the same place, but were gradually moving away from the point of impact.

(Warren Commission Hearings, vol.3, p.405)

Ronald Simmons of the US Army also examined the rifle, and found problems with the bolt and the trigger mechanism:

There were several comments made — particularly with respect to the amount of effort required to open the bolt. … There was also comment made about the trigger pull … in the first stage the trigger is relatively free, and it suddenly required a greater pull to actually fire the weapon. … The pressure to open the bolt was so great that that we tended to move the rifle off the target.

(ibid., pp.449–51)

Deckard  posted on  2015-12-22   10:55:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Deckard (#55)

Oh for crying out loud!

Now I've heard everything.

No you haven't! Not even close! As long as you listen to ct nuts you will never hear it all! 8|

There is nothing wrong with questioning the official opinion its just crazy to believe everyone is in the cabal! Most government's want to sweep everything under the rug because it means they will have to deal with it ie Slick Willie! Some like twisting events into something they can use to push their agenda ie Obama.

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