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Title: You can't love freedom and Confederate monuments
Source: The Times-Picayune
URL Source: http://www.nola.com/politics/index. ... erome_s.html#incart_river_home
Published: Dec 17, 2015
Author: Jarvis DeBerry
Post Date: 2015-12-17 17:51:40 by Willie Green
Keywords: None
Views: 1290
Comments: 21

At the beginning of Thursday's meeting in New Orleans City Council chambers to discuss the removal of monuments revering the Lost Cause, the people present were prompted to stand up and say the following familiar words in unison: "I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands: one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

We really could just stop this column right there, couldn't we? Some of the same people who stood to acknowledge the power of a symbol and to declare the nation indivisible later stood to argue that there is no power in Confederate symbols and to argue that those who tested the nation's indivisibility deserve continuing hero status.

Many of us grow used to holding contradictory ideas in tension, but patriotism and treason are wholly incompatible. So are white supremacy and racial reconciliation. But there were people in the City Council chambers insisting that New Orleans can become a city of brotherhood even with statues honoring white supremacists looming over us. The way to this brotherhood, they suggested, requires black people letting the white supremacists remain on their pedestals. But it's been more than 100 years since the statues have been put up, and they have somehow failed to bring together the races.

The council voted 6-1 to remove the monument to P.G.T. Beauregard at the entrance of City Park, the statue to Jefferson Davis near the corner of Canal Street and Jefferson Davis Parkway and the monument at the end of Iberville Street honoring the Battle of Liberty Place. They also voted to remove the statue of Robert E. Lee and rename Lee Circle. Councilwoman Stacy Head was the only nay vote.

Mayor Mitch Landrieu appeared before the council Thursday to urge them to get on the right side of history. "We have the power and we have the right," he said, "to correct these historical wrongs."Landrieu said that the Confederates "were on the wrong side history and humanity" but that when the statue to Lee was put up in 1884, the Daily Picayune explained that they'd been put up so that the world could know "that there dwells no sense of guilt."

That was an important point for the mayor to make, and it's a point that Councilman Jason Williams reiterated later in the meeting: Defenders of the statues tried to keep the focus on the personal biographies of the men honored by the monuments. But you can't understand the monuments without understanding the people who put them up and why they did.

They were put up by white people who refused to accept that the South had lost. They were put up by white people who refused to accept that black people were their equals. They were put up by white people who subjected those black people to Jim Crow.

To leave the statues up would be to honor them.

Jerome Smith was one of the people speaking in favor of the monument removal Thursday. On this topic, I don't know that anybody carries the moral authority that Smith does. As a black child he refused to follow the rules that dictated where he could sit on the streetcar. And as a young man he put his life on the line integrating lunch counters and bus terminal.

Smith began by saying, "It is an embarrassment for me to come to this with my experience."

That sounds a lot like what Smith told Robert Kennedy in a 1963 meeting in New York the then-U.S. attorney general had with civil rights advocates. Smith told Kennedy that being in the room with him made him want to vomit. He apparently meant that having to ask another human being for fair treatment sickened him.

That he was having to ask that such obviously meanspirited monuments be removed seemed to sicken – he used the word embarrass – him in the same way.

Referring to his many arrests, Smith said, "Nobody who put those statues up came to say, 'Don't put that boy in jai! Let him sit at that counter!'"

Of course not. They were all wedded to the status quo, to the idea of white people reigning over black people.

Not surprisingly, Smith went over the 2 minutes he was allotted to address the council. But as security converged on him and audience members shouted support for him, I thought there's a New Orleanian who needs a statue.         

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#5. To: Willie Green (#0)

You can't love freedom and Confederate monuments

Confederates can honor their war veterans and love freedom and recognize that the South lost the Civil War which is long over.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-12-17   19:39:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: nolu chan (#5) (Edited)

Confederates can honor their war veterans and love freedom and recognize that the South lost the Civil War which is long over.

Yes, they can. They can put their statues and flags on private lands, and name their homes after whomever they please.

But Southerners can take control of their governments just like the slave interests did, and instead of declaring secession and the sanctity of slavery, declare that the Southern states will not publicly honor people who fought for slavery anymore, and take down the flags and the monuments.

And that's what they're doing.

These things were always symbols. Removing them and changing the names of things is also a symbol.

Two spirits have battled for control of South Carolina since Rutledge signed the Declaration of Independence. One stood for "life, liberty...for ME, and the pursuit of MY happiness...at YOUR expense, nigger". and the other stood for the belief that all men are created equal.

It started out as an unequal fight, with the former voice strong and the latter voice sotto voce. That first voice reached its zenith in 1861 when it unleashed cannonballs at the Federal fort in Charleston Harbor.

The latter voice has grown stronger and stronger, and it achieved mastery this year, when the Confederate flags were taken down from around the capital building in Columbia, never, ever to return.

Now the side of slavery will slink into history and be remembered like the Spanish Inquisition or the Crusades or Auschwitz: evil losers.

Two spirits contended for the soul of South Carolina. Eventually, the better spirit won.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-12-17   19:49:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Vicomte13 (#6)

They can put their statues and flags on private lands, and name their homes after whomever they please.

Or they can keep their statues and flags wherever they damn well please, and keep the names of the streets just as they are. It's nobody else's business.

Or they can be like St. John's and rename their teams from the Redmen to the Red Storm in the interest of political correctness.

Of course we could disown Washington and Jefferson and Madison, and that former slavedriver Sam Grant whose wife visited him during the war, accompanied by one of her slaves. And then there was Jackson. Heck, we might have to put nothing but New England liberals on our money.

Now the side of slavery will slink into history and be remembered like the Spanish Inquisition or the Crusades or Auschwitz: evil losers.

We haven't had legal slavery since the 13th Amendment forced the Union state of Delaware to end it against their will.

The civil war started out as a fight for tax revenue. Slavery continued in Washington, D.C. where the Congress had plenary authority and only the Union states were represented. They could have ended slavery there at any time they wanted without a constitutional amendment.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-12-18   0:11:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#9. To: nolu chan (#7)

Or they can keep their statues and flags wherever they damn well please, and keep the names of the streets just as they are. It's nobody else's business.

It's the business of the government and the voters of the city or state. As time marches on, more and more of those governments and voters have turned against Confederate symbols and what the Confederacy stood for and did, and what that flag flew over AFTER the Confederacy, in the 1950s and 1960s, when it became a symbol for maintaining racial segregation.

When the voters turn in sufficient numbers against it, the duly elected governments move, and what was put up as a monument to one side, when they were in the ascendant, is taken down by their enemies when they come into the ascendant as they are.

The statues and flags in the public square are put there by the public. Names of public streets and squares are put there by the public. A different public in a different time can change the names and pull down the statues.

There were statues of King George on the commons of the major cities in America before the Revolution. They were all pulled down.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-12-18 08:41:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: nolu chan (#7)

The civil war started out as a fight for tax revenue.

Do you really, in your heart of hearts, actually, truly believe that the South seceded and fought over taxes?

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