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Title: You can't love freedom and Confederate monuments
Source: The Times-Picayune
URL Source: http://www.nola.com/politics/index. ... erome_s.html#incart_river_home
Published: Dec 17, 2015
Author: Jarvis DeBerry
Post Date: 2015-12-17 17:51:40 by Willie Green
Keywords: None
Views: 1286
Comments: 21

At the beginning of Thursday's meeting in New Orleans City Council chambers to discuss the removal of monuments revering the Lost Cause, the people present were prompted to stand up and say the following familiar words in unison: "I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands: one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

We really could just stop this column right there, couldn't we? Some of the same people who stood to acknowledge the power of a symbol and to declare the nation indivisible later stood to argue that there is no power in Confederate symbols and to argue that those who tested the nation's indivisibility deserve continuing hero status.

Many of us grow used to holding contradictory ideas in tension, but patriotism and treason are wholly incompatible. So are white supremacy and racial reconciliation. But there were people in the City Council chambers insisting that New Orleans can become a city of brotherhood even with statues honoring white supremacists looming over us. The way to this brotherhood, they suggested, requires black people letting the white supremacists remain on their pedestals. But it's been more than 100 years since the statues have been put up, and they have somehow failed to bring together the races.

The council voted 6-1 to remove the monument to P.G.T. Beauregard at the entrance of City Park, the statue to Jefferson Davis near the corner of Canal Street and Jefferson Davis Parkway and the monument at the end of Iberville Street honoring the Battle of Liberty Place. They also voted to remove the statue of Robert E. Lee and rename Lee Circle. Councilwoman Stacy Head was the only nay vote.

Mayor Mitch Landrieu appeared before the council Thursday to urge them to get on the right side of history. "We have the power and we have the right," he said, "to correct these historical wrongs."Landrieu said that the Confederates "were on the wrong side history and humanity" but that when the statue to Lee was put up in 1884, the Daily Picayune explained that they'd been put up so that the world could know "that there dwells no sense of guilt."

That was an important point for the mayor to make, and it's a point that Councilman Jason Williams reiterated later in the meeting: Defenders of the statues tried to keep the focus on the personal biographies of the men honored by the monuments. But you can't understand the monuments without understanding the people who put them up and why they did.

They were put up by white people who refused to accept that the South had lost. They were put up by white people who refused to accept that black people were their equals. They were put up by white people who subjected those black people to Jim Crow.

To leave the statues up would be to honor them.

Jerome Smith was one of the people speaking in favor of the monument removal Thursday. On this topic, I don't know that anybody carries the moral authority that Smith does. As a black child he refused to follow the rules that dictated where he could sit on the streetcar. And as a young man he put his life on the line integrating lunch counters and bus terminal.

Smith began by saying, "It is an embarrassment for me to come to this with my experience."

That sounds a lot like what Smith told Robert Kennedy in a 1963 meeting in New York the then-U.S. attorney general had with civil rights advocates. Smith told Kennedy that being in the room with him made him want to vomit. He apparently meant that having to ask another human being for fair treatment sickened him.

That he was having to ask that such obviously meanspirited monuments be removed seemed to sicken – he used the word embarrass – him in the same way.

Referring to his many arrests, Smith said, "Nobody who put those statues up came to say, 'Don't put that boy in jai! Let him sit at that counter!'"

Of course not. They were all wedded to the status quo, to the idea of white people reigning over black people.

Not surprisingly, Smith went over the 2 minutes he was allotted to address the council. But as security converged on him and audience members shouted support for him, I thought there's a New Orleanian who needs a statue.         

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#1. To: Willie Green (#0)

It appears that Jarvis believes the Civil War was fought over slavery.

"My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it ..."
-- Abraham Lincon, Letter to Horace Greeley, August 22, 1862

misterwhite  posted on  2015-12-17   18:05:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: misterwhite (#1) (Edited)

The Civil War was fought over slavery.

Had there been no slavery, there would have been no Civil War.

Southerners did not revolt over tarriffs. They revolted because an abolitionist came to power.

On the granular level, the war was fought because powerful crony capitalists: the slaveholding interests, had money control over all of the Southern state governments, and caused those governments to move for secession and declare the inviolable right of property in slaves.

Was this move in the best interests of the people of those states? No. It was not in the best interests of the blacks, who comprised a little under a third of the population. It was not in the best interests of poor whites, who couldn't get decent jobs in competition with cheap exploitable slave labor. It wasn't in the interest of working class and middle class boys whose families never have and never would own a slave, but who had to carry guns and get shot to pieces to defend the political declarations of corrupt, evil crony capitalist slave interests who controlled the governments of their states. It was not in the interest of all of the mothers who lost children, the wives who lost husbands or the children who lost fathers, fighting to preserve an obnoxious so-called "right" of rich men who had corrupted their governments.

A narrow, rich, powerful interest commandeered government and brought down destruction. And what that powerful interest was focused on, above all, was the economic value of their slave interests.

The war was indeed fought over slavery.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-12-17   19:17:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#4. To: Vicomte13, misterwhite (#3)

The Civil War was fought over slavery.

Lincoln's proclamation referred to interference with the collection of the tax revenue laws, not slavery which was lawful. Had Lincoln intended to make a proclamation against slavery, he could have immediately addressed the slave trade down the road from the White House.

Lincoln's Proclamation of 15 April 1861

Whereas the laws of the United States have been for some time past, and now are opposed, and the execution thereof obstructed, in the States of South Carolina, Georgia, Alabama, Florida, Mississippi, Louisiana and Texas, by combinations too powerful to be suppressed by the ordinary course of judicial proceedings, or by the powers vested in the Marshals by law,

Now therefore, I, Abraham Lincoln, President of the United States, in virtue of the power in me vested by the Constitution, and the laws, have thought fit to call forth, and hereby do call forth, the militia of the several States of the Union, to the aggregate number of seventy-five thousand, in order to suppress said combinations, and to cause the laws to be duly executed. The details, for this object, will be immediately communicated to the State authorities through the War Department.

I appeal to all loyal citizens to favor, facilitate and aid this effort to maintain the honor, the integrity, and the existence of our National Union, and the perpetuity of popular government; and to redress wrongs already long enough endured.

I deem it proper to say that the first service assigned to the forces hereby called forth will probably be to re-possess the forts, places, and property which have been seized from the Union; and in every event, the utmost care will be observed, consistently with the objects aforesaid, to avoid any devastation, any destruction of, or interference with, property, or any disturbance of peaceful citizens in any part of the country.

And I hereby command the persons composing the combinations aforesaid to disperse, and retire peaceably to their respective abodes within twenty days from this date.

Deeming that the present condition of public affairs presents an extraordinary occasion, I do hereby, in virtue of the power in me vested by the Constitution, convene both Houses of Congress. Senators and Representatives are therefore summoned to assemble at their respective chambers, at 12 o'clock, noon, on Thursday, the fourth day of July, next, then and there to consider and determine, such measures, as, in their wisdom, the public safety, and interest may seem to demand.

In Witness Whereof I have hereunto set my hand, and caused the Seal of the United States to be affixed.

Done at the city of Washington this fifteenth day of April in the year of our Lord One thousand, Eight hundred and Sixtyone, and of the Independence the United States the Eightyfifth.

ABRAHAM LINCOLN

By the President:

WILLIAM H. SEWARD, Secretary of State.

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#14. To: Vicomte13 (#3)

The Civil War was fought over slavery.

Had there been no slavery, there would have been no Civil War.

COmplete and utter horseshit.

sneakypete  posted on  2015-12-18 09:48:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Vicomte13 (#3)

"The Civil War was fought over slavery."

Then why did the government wait until 1861 to do something about it?

A tariff increase was approved in 1861. Shortly after, war was declared.

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