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Title: Hilarious Blacksmith Uses Science To Shut Down Insane ‘Fire Can’t Melt Steel’ 9/11 Truthers
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URL Source: http://thefederalist.com/2015/12/17 ... -cant-melt-steel-911-truthers/
Published: Dec 17, 2015
Author: The Federalist Staff
Post Date: 2015-12-17 14:38:47 by no gnu taxes
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Views: 17333
Comments: 60

Give this man a medal. In just two minutes, blacksmith Trenton Tye of Purgatory Ironworks uses science to hilarious effect to mock 9/11 truthers who insist the 2001 terrorist attacks were a conspiracy. And why are these nutters convinced the whole thing was an inside job? Because fire can’t melt steel (Seriously, read through that entire 9/11 conspiracy theory thread. It is amazing.)

Tye, a professional metalworker based in Georgia, has had enough. He filmed the following video to prove to science-hating 9/11 conspiracy mongers once and for all that structural steel will absolutely lose its structural integrity if it gets too hot:

“So I am taking time out of my busy day to try to put to rest one of the more moronic things I have seen on the Internet lately, and that’s saying something,” Tye tells the camera. “‘Jet fuel only burns at 1,500 degrees and since steel melts at 2,700 degrees, 9/11 was a conspiracy!'”

“What I am upset about is the retarded metallurgical things that you guys are saying. I’m not arguing the facts,” Tye says. “Jet fuel does in fact burn at 1,500 degrees. Some carbon steels will start melting at 2,300 degrees. But if you hold this up as a reason for conspiracy, you are an idiot!”

To prove his point, Tye compared the structural strength of a room-temperature piece of steel to the strength of one that had been heated to 1,800 degrees in his workshop’s furnace.

“It’s very hot, but not melted,” Tye notes by tapping the piece of steel on an anvil.

“Half-inch solid steel. Check it out,” Tye says as he bends the solid steel rod back and forth using only his pinkie finger. “It’s a freakin’ noodle!”

“Your argument is invalid. Get over it!” Tye exclaims as he drops the mic by dropping the glowing steel rod. “Find a job!”

We salute you, Trenton Tye. You are a real American hero. Godspeed.

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#6. To: no gnu taxes (#0)

In the twin towers, much of the jet fuel (primarily kerosene) was burned in a huge fireball outside the building. In any case, the steel was much, much begger than 1/2 inch steel, and Tye does not explain how 110 stories, over 1,000 feet of it, was weakened to a noodle state.

How did a fire on the 90th floor weaken the huge beams on the 80th, or 60th, or 40th floor? If the whole steel structure acted like a heat sink, there was not enough fire to get them hot. If not, the lower steel was simply not affected.

The fall of the buildings was at near free fall acceleration. This is difficult to explain unless the bottom steel structure essentially offered near zero resistance.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-12-17   23:13:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: nolu chan (#6)

In the twin towers, much of the jet fuel (primarily kerosene) was burned in a huge fireball outside the building. In any case, the steel was much, much begger than 1/2 inch steel, and Tye does not explain how 110 stories, over 1,000 feet of it, was weakened to a noodle state.

You only need to weaken a few floors. Once they start pancaking downward, it's all over.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-12-18   4:03:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#8. To: TooConservative, nolu chan (#7) (Edited)

I do like the blacksmith demo. It is informative and the point that steel loses strength progressively as it gets hotter certainly needs to be addressed.

But this is far from settling the whole matter. In addition to his showing the effect of 1800 degree heat and not 1500 degree heat on steel, there are still the question of how long it would take the twin tower steel to absorb that amount of heat energy from burning jet fuel (or whatever else may have been burning in the towers). The poor heat conductivity of steel would have made things worse, as the heat the steel absorbed would not have been conducted throughout the towers, which would have kept the portions of the steel structured exposed to the fires cooler.

One video of the South tower showed what appeared to be molten steel flowing out of the tower. That is something I've never seen explained away and which I consider extremely suspicious.

Pinguinite  posted on  2015-12-18 04:30:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: TooConservative (#7)

You only need to weaken a few floors. Once they start pancaking downward, it's all over.

I disagree. Here is why. Say a few floors did get weakened. Then the path of least resistance is not straight down. It is to fall over.

That is how I see it.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-12-18 12:15:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: TooConservative (#7)

You only need to weaken a few floors. Once they start pancaking downward, it's all over.

The pancake theory was proven to defy the laws of physics and was officially rejected by the officials reports from the U.S. government. It is impossible to pancake the floors and get them to the ground in the amount of time observed and documented.

This does not indicate I accept the NIST theory, just that the original pancake theory had to be abandoned as proven impossible.

http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm

National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) Federal Building and Fire Safety Investigation of the World Trade Center Disaster

Answers to Frequently Asked Questions

(NIST NCSTAR throughout this document refers to one of the 43 volumes that comprise NIST’s final report on the WTC Towers issued in October 2005. All sections of the report listed in this document are available at http://wtc.nist.gov.)

[...]

2. Why did NIST not consider a “controlled demolition” hypothesis with matching computer modeling and explanation as it did for the “pancake theory” hypothesis? A key critique of NIST’s work lies in the complete lack of analysis supporting a “progressive collapse” after the point of collapse initiation and the lack of consideration given to a controlled demolition hypothesis. NIST conducted an extremely thorough three-year investigation into what caused the WTC towers to collapse, as explained in NIST’s dedicated Web site, http://wtc.nist.gov. This included consideration of a number of hypotheses for the collapses of the towers.

Some 200 technical experts—including about 85 career NIST experts and 125 leading experts from the private sector and academia—reviewed tens of thousands of documents, interviewed more than 1,000 people, reviewed 7,000 segments of video footage and 7,000 photographs, analyzed 236 pieces of steel from the wreckage, performed laboratory tests and sophisticated computer simulations of the sequence of events that occurred from the moment the aircraft struck the towers until they began to collapse.

Based on this comprehensive investigation, NIST concluded that the WTC towers collapsed because: (1) the impact of the planes severed and damaged support columns, dislodged fireproofing insulation coating the steel floor trusses and steel columns, and widely dispersed jet fuel over multiple floors; and (2) the subsequent unusually large jet-fuel ignited multi-floor fires (which reached temperatures as high as 1,000 degrees Celsius) significantly weakened the floors and columns with dislodged fireproofing to the point where floors sagged and pulled inward on the perimeter columns. This led to the inward bowing of the perimeter columns and failure of the south face of WTC 1 and the east face of WTC 2, initiating the collapse of each of the towers. Both photographic and video evidence—as well as accounts from the New York Police Department aviation unit during a half-hour period prior to collapse—support this sequence for each tower.

NIST’s findings do not support the “pancake theory” of collapse, which is premised on a progressive failure of the floor systems in the WTC towers (the composite floor system—that connected the core columns and the perimeter columns— consisted of a grid of steel “trusses” integrated with a concrete slab; see diagram below). Instead, the NIST investigation showed conclusively that the failure of the inwardly bowed perimeter columns initiated collapse and that the occurrence of this inward bowing required the sagging floors to remain connected to the columns and pull the columns inwards. Thus, the floors did not fail progressively to cause a pancaking phenomenon.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-12-18 21:33:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: TooConservative (#7)

You only need to weaken a few floors. Once they start pancaking downward, it's all over.

Bingo, we have a winner!

rlk  posted on  2015-12-18 21:54:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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