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Title: Hilarious Blacksmith Uses Science To Shut Down Insane ‘Fire Can’t Melt Steel’ 9/11 Truthers
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URL Source: http://thefederalist.com/2015/12/17 ... -cant-melt-steel-911-truthers/
Published: Dec 17, 2015
Author: The Federalist Staff
Post Date: 2015-12-17 14:38:47 by no gnu taxes
Keywords: None
Views: 17793
Comments: 60

Give this man a medal. In just two minutes, blacksmith Trenton Tye of Purgatory Ironworks uses science to hilarious effect to mock 9/11 truthers who insist the 2001 terrorist attacks were a conspiracy. And why are these nutters convinced the whole thing was an inside job? Because fire can’t melt steel (Seriously, read through that entire 9/11 conspiracy theory thread. It is amazing.)

Tye, a professional metalworker based in Georgia, has had enough. He filmed the following video to prove to science-hating 9/11 conspiracy mongers once and for all that structural steel will absolutely lose its structural integrity if it gets too hot:

“So I am taking time out of my busy day to try to put to rest one of the more moronic things I have seen on the Internet lately, and that’s saying something,” Tye tells the camera. “‘Jet fuel only burns at 1,500 degrees and since steel melts at 2,700 degrees, 9/11 was a conspiracy!'”

“What I am upset about is the retarded metallurgical things that you guys are saying. I’m not arguing the facts,” Tye says. “Jet fuel does in fact burn at 1,500 degrees. Some carbon steels will start melting at 2,300 degrees. But if you hold this up as a reason for conspiracy, you are an idiot!”

To prove his point, Tye compared the structural strength of a room-temperature piece of steel to the strength of one that had been heated to 1,800 degrees in his workshop’s furnace.

“It’s very hot, but not melted,” Tye notes by tapping the piece of steel on an anvil.

“Half-inch solid steel. Check it out,” Tye says as he bends the solid steel rod back and forth using only his pinkie finger. “It’s a freakin’ noodle!”

“Your argument is invalid. Get over it!” Tye exclaims as he drops the mic by dropping the glowing steel rod. “Find a job!”

We salute you, Trenton Tye. You are a real American hero. Godspeed.

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#6. To: no gnu taxes (#0)

In the twin towers, much of the jet fuel (primarily kerosene) was burned in a huge fireball outside the building. In any case, the steel was much, much begger than 1/2 inch steel, and Tye does not explain how 110 stories, over 1,000 feet of it, was weakened to a noodle state.

How did a fire on the 90th floor weaken the huge beams on the 80th, or 60th, or 40th floor? If the whole steel structure acted like a heat sink, there was not enough fire to get them hot. If not, the lower steel was simply not affected.

The fall of the buildings was at near free fall acceleration. This is difficult to explain unless the bottom steel structure essentially offered near zero resistance.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-12-17   23:13:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: nolu chan (#6)

In the twin towers, much of the jet fuel (primarily kerosene) was burned in a huge fireball outside the building. In any case, the steel was much, much begger than 1/2 inch steel, and Tye does not explain how 110 stories, over 1,000 feet of it, was weakened to a noodle state.

You only need to weaken a few floors. Once they start pancaking downward, it's all over.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-12-18   4:03:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: TooConservative (#7)

You only need to weaken a few floors. Once they start pancaking downward, it's all over.

I disagree. Here is why. Say a few floors did get weakened. Then the path of least resistance is not straight down. It is to fall over.

That is how I see it.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-12-18   12:15:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: A K A Stone (#14)

Then the path of least resistance is not straight down. It is to fall over.

Mmmmm...the path of least resistance is always straight down. There's this thing called gravity.

Things only fall over because one side of an object (a tower) fails first. And that does make sense.

However, in the case of the Towers, their structural strength was all in the central support columns. The entire building hung on those. So any collapse had to start from the center. Therefore, you get pancaking which started downward and whose force will only get stronger with each floor that pancaked down as the sheer mass and inertia grew with each floor that collapsed. It only takes a few floors pancaking to make the whole tower pancake to the ground.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-12-18   18:46:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#22. To: TooConservative (#19)

If there is a point of weakness in the middle. The base is still solid. It should fall over because there is resistaqnce straight down but none if it were to fall over.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-12-18 19:36:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: TooConservative, A K A Stone (#19)

However, in the case of the Towers, their structural strength was all in the central support columns. The entire building hung on those. So any collapse had to start from the center.

Only the video evidence proved that "significant portions of the cores of both buildings (roughly 60 stories of WTC 1 and 40 stories of WTC 2) are known to have stood 15 to 25 seconds after collapse initiation before they, too, began to collapse." The cores fell after the floors around them had already fallen.

http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/factsheet/wtc_faqs_082006.cfm

National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) Federal Building and Fire Safety Investigation of the World Trade Center Disaster

Answers to Frequently Asked Questions (August 30, 2006) (8/6/2006, ARCHIVE, incorporated into 9/19/2011 update)

[excerpt]

6. How could the WTC towers collapse in only 11 seconds (WTC 1) and 9 seconds (WTC 2)—speeds that approximate that of a ball dropped from similar height in a vacuum (with no air resistance)?

NIST estimated the elapsed times for the first exterior panels to strike the ground after the collapse initiated in each of the towers to be approximately 11 seconds for WTC 1 and approximately 9 seconds for WTC 2. These elapsed times were based on: (1) precise timing of the initiation of collapse from video evidence, and (2) ground motion (seismic) signals recorded at Palisades, N.Y., that also were precisely time-calibrated for wave transmission times from lower Manhattan (see NCSTAR 1-5A).

As documented in Section 6.14.4 of NIST NCSTAR 1, these collapse times show that:

“… the structure below the level of collapse initiation offered minimal resistance to the falling building mass at and above the impact zone. The potential energy released by the downward movement of the large building mass far exceeded the capacity of the intact structure below to absorb that energy through energy of deformation.

Since the stories below the level of collapse initiation provided little resistance to the tremendous energy released by the falling building mass, the building section above came down essentially in free fall, as seen in videos. As the stories below sequentially failed, the falling mass increased, further increasing the demand on the floors below, which were unable to arrest the moving mass.”

In other words, the momentum (which equals mass times velocity) of the 12 to 28 stories (WTC 1 and WTC 2, respectively) falling on the supporting structure below (which was designed to support only the static weight of the floors above and not any dynamic effects due to the downward momentum) so greatly exceeded the strength capacity of the structure below that it (the structure below) was unable to stop or even to slow the falling mass. The downward momentum felt by each successive lower floor was even larger due to the increasing mass.

From video evidence, significant portions of the cores of both buildings (roughly 60 stories of WTC 1 and 40 stories of WTC 2) are known to have stood 15 to 25 seconds after collapse initiation before they, too, began to collapse. Neither the duration of the seismic records nor video evidence (due to obstruction of view caused by debris clouds) are reliable indicators of the total time it took for each building to collapse completely.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-12-18 22:57:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: TooConservative (#19)

in the case of the Towers, their structural strength was all in the central support columns. The entire building hung on those.

The entire building hung on those... and they were destroyed by the airplane. It was a novel design that wasn't made to withstand attack from massive airliners.

rlk  posted on  2015-12-18 23:22:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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