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Title: Hilarious Blacksmith Uses Science To Shut Down Insane ‘Fire Can’t Melt Steel’ 9/11 Truthers
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URL Source: http://thefederalist.com/2015/12/17 ... -cant-melt-steel-911-truthers/
Published: Dec 17, 2015
Author: The Federalist Staff
Post Date: 2015-12-17 14:38:47 by no gnu taxes
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Views: 17796
Comments: 60
Give this man a medal. In just two minutes, blacksmith Trenton Tye of Purgatory Ironworks uses science to hilarious effect to mock 9/11 truthers who insist the 2001 terrorist attacks were a conspiracy. And why are these nutters convinced the whole thing was an inside job? Because fire can’t melt steel (Seriously, read through that entire 9/11 conspiracy theory thread. It is amazing.) Tye, a professional metalworker based in Georgia, has had enough. He filmed the following video to prove to science-hating 9/11 conspiracy mongers once and for all that structural steel will absolutely lose its structural integrity if it gets too hot: “So I am taking time out of my busy day to try to put to rest one of the more moronic things I have seen on the Internet lately, and that’s saying something,” Tye tells the camera. “‘Jet fuel only burns at 1,500 degrees and since steel melts at 2,700 degrees, 9/11 was a conspiracy!'” “What I am upset about is the retarded metallurgical things that you guys are saying. I’m not arguing the facts,” Tye says. “Jet fuel does in fact burn at 1,500 degrees. Some carbon steels will start melting at 2,300 degrees. But if you hold this up as a reason for conspiracy, you are an idiot!” To prove his point, Tye compared the structural strength of a room-temperature piece of steel to the strength of one that had been heated to 1,800 degrees in his workshop’s furnace. “It’s very hot, but not melted,” Tye notes by tapping the piece of steel on an anvil. “Half-inch solid steel. Check it out,” Tye says as he bends the solid steel rod back and forth using only his pinkie finger. “It’s a freakin’ noodle!” “Your argument is invalid. Get over it!” Tye exclaims as he drops the mic by dropping the glowing steel rod. “Find a job!” We salute you, Trenton Tye. You are a real American hero. Godspeed.
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#9. To: no gnu taxes (#0)
Question: How many here have read the official NIST reports? Every board has this video up right now and most of the comments prove that few people have any idea what the official conspiracy theory is at all. This guy didn't prove anything about 911. Below are a few important excerpts from the official NIST NCSTAR 1A WTC 7 final document. Note that the max temp in 7 per NIST was 900 Centigrade, 1650 F. But that was only a small area. Most temps were around 400-600 C. Temp of Self Cleaning Oven- 500 C. The most important sentence: Thus, WTC 7 did not collapse due to fire induced weakening of critical columns Source: http://www.nist.gov/manuscript-publication-search.cfm?pub_id=861610 (The Official PDF does not allow copy & paste.)
But how many people are going to differentiate that the blacksmith was only talking about the Twin Towers, not WTC 7. Certainly, I had that distinct impression throughout his talk. Typically, when people discuss WTC 7, they mention that name. Clearly, no jet hit it so it is different from the Towers. As for the collapse of WTC 7, I'm not sure how many people will care deeply that the official report blamed the heat expansion of column 79, leading to the collapse of columns 80 & 81, followed by a general structural collapse via pancaking. Maybe it is a bigger source of controversy than I am aware of.
The blacksmith was objective enough to admit he had no idea if it was a conspiracy or not. His only peeve was that people had/have the impression that steel maintains the same structural strength at room temp as at 1800 degrees, below the melting point of steel.
#30. To: Pinguinite (#12)
Steel will melt if heated enough and weaken before it melts. However, it was impossible for the available flammables to produce the needed temperature to melt steel, or to weaken 110 stories of huge steel beams. http://www.nist.gov/customcf/get_pdf.cfm?pub_id=101016 NIST NCSTAR1-3 Federal Building and Fire Safety Investigtation of the World Trade Center Disaster Mechanical and Metallurgical Snalysis of Structural Steel Executive Summary page xli The scientific evidence is not very amenable to melting or weakening the steel beams by fire. Other forensic evidence indicates that the last example probably occurred in the debris pile after collapse. Annealing studies on recovered steels established the set of time and temperature conditions necessary to alter the steel microstructure. Based on the pre-collapse photographic evidence, the microstructures of steels known to have been exposed to fire were characterized. These microstructures show no evidence of exposure to temperatures above 600°C for any significant time. Similar results, i.e., limited exposure if any above 250 °C, were found for the two core columns recovered from the fire-affected floors of the towers, which had adequate paint for analysis.
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#10. To: Operation 40 (#9)
#12. To: TooConservative (#10)
But how many people are going to differentiate that the blacksmith was only talking about the Twin Towers, not WTC 7. Certainly, I had that distinct impression throughout his talk.
Replies to Comment # 12. His only peeve was that people had/have the impression that steel maintains the same structural strength at room temp as at 1800 degrees, below the melting point of steel.
E.3.6 Fire Exposure and Temperatures Reached by the Steel The pre-collapse photographic analysis showed that 16 recovered exterior panels were exposed to fire prior to collapse of WTC 1. None of the nine recovered panels from within the fire floors of WTC 2 were observed to have been directly exposed to pre-collapse fires. NIST developed a method to characterize maximum temperatures experienced by steel members using observations of paint cracking due to thermal expansion. The method can only probe the temperature reached and it cannot distinguish between pre-and post-collapse exposure. More than 170 areas were examined on the recovered perimeter column panels; however, these columns represented only 3 percent of the perimeter columns on the floors involved in fire and cannot be considered representative of other columns on these floors. Only three locations had evidence that the steel reached temperatures above 250°C. These areas were:
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