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Title: Assad can stay, for now: Kerry accepts Russian stance
Source: AP
URL Source: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/storie ... AULT&CTIME=2015-12-15-16-01-54
Published: Dec 15, 2015
Author: Matthew Lee & Bradley Klapper
Post Date: 2015-12-15 17:52:02 by Tooconservative
Keywords: None
Views: 6020
Comments: 37

MOSCOW (AP) -- U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry on Tuesday accepted Russia's long-standing demand that President Bashar Assad's future be determined by his own people, as Washington and Moscow edged toward putting aside years of disagreement over how to end Syria's civil war.

"The United States and our partners are not seeking so-called regime change," Kerry told reporters in the Russian capital after meeting President Vladimir Putin. A major international conference on Syria would take place later this week in New York, Kerry announced.

Kerry reiterated the U.S. position that Assad, accused by the West of massive human rights violations and chemical weapons attacks, won't be able to steer Syria out of 4½ years of conflict.

But after a day of discussions with Assad's key international backer, Kerry said the focus now is "not on our differences about what can or cannot be done immediately about Assad." Rather, it is on facilitating a peace process in which "Syrians will be making decisions for the future of Syria."

Kerry's declarations crystallized the evolution in U.S. policy on Assad over the last several months, as the Islamic State group's growing influence in the Middle East has taken priority.

President Barack Obama first called on Assad to leave power in the summer of 2011, with "Assad must go," being a consistent rallying cry. Later, American officials allowed that he wouldn't have to resign on "Day One" of a transition. Now, Assad's stay could be indefinite.

Russia, by contrast, has remained consistent in its view that no foreign government could demand Assad's departure and that Syrians would have to negotiate matters of leadership among themselves. Since late September, it has been bombing terrorist and rebel targets in Syria as part of what the West says is an effort to prop up Assad's government.

Kerry said, "No one should be forced to choose between a dictator and being plagued by terrorists." However, he described the Syrian opposition's demand that Assad must leave as soon as peace talks begin as a "nonstarting position, obviously."

Earlier Tuesday in the Kremlin, Putin noted several "outstanding issues" between Russia and its former Cold War foe. Beyond Assad, these include which rebel groups in Syria should be allowed to participate in the transition process and which should be deemed terrorists, and like the Islamic State group and al-Qaida, be combatted by all.

Jordan is working on finalizing the list of terrorist v. legitimate opposition forces. Representatives of Syria's opposition themselves hope this week to finalize their negotiating team for talks with Assad's government. The U.S., Russia and others hope those talks will begin early next year.

Appearing beside Kerry, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov hailed what he described as a "big negotiating day," saying the sides advanced efforts to define what a Syrian transition process might look like.

The two countries also have split on Ukraine since Russia's annexation of the Crimea region last year and its ongoing, though diminished, support for separatist rebels in the east of the country. The U.S. has pressed severe economic sanctions against Russia in response and has insisted that Moscow's actions have left it isolated.

But Kerry sang a different tune on Tuesday.

"We don't seek to isolate Russia as a matter of policy, no," Kerry said. The sooner Russia implements a February cease-fire that calls for withdrawal of Russian forces and materiel and a release of all prisoners, he said, the sooner that "sanctions can be rolled back."

The world is better off when Russia and the U.S. work together, he added, calling Obama and Putin's current cooperation a "sign of maturity."

"There is no policy of the United States, per se, to isolate Russia," Kerry stressed.

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#1. To: Pericles (#0)

Looks like Lurch and Bammy want to get on board with a winner.

NATO allies and the Mideast have to be seeing Russia in a very different light than they did even six months ago.

Russia is definitely back on the world stage.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-12-15   17:53:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: TooConservative (#1)

Looks like Lurch and Bammy want to get on board with a winner.

NATO allies and the Mideast have to be seeing Russia in a very different light than they did even six months ago.

Russia is definitely back on the world stage.

The Paris bombing changed everything. The French, led by Hollande, want BLOOD, and they really don't give a damn what nuances there are to American policy. Obama wants Assad gone, but the French want ISIS destroyed NOW, and they don't care about Assad.

America won't help, but Russia immediately stepped up and began helping, even providing sea escort for the French carrier. So the French ARE de facto allied with Russia, already, and HAVE BEEN conducting air strikes as allies.

Russia and France are allies, now, and have been since about a week after the Paris attacks.

France went to the EU, not NATO, the EU pledged its support, and the British have sent ships to the Eastern Med, part of what is now a de facto Russian- French-British task force. Yes, the British are there for the French, and the French and Russians are there for themselves, but the Russians were actually providing the sea escort for the French carrier.

Meanwhile, American-paid operatives were blowing up the power grid for the Crimea and shooting at the electric work crews sent to fix the problem, and the Americans were vectoring the Turks to shoot down a Russian plane. Madness and stupidity. And failure.

The French President came to Washington and asked for alliance, and the Americans engineered the power cut for the weekend before and the Turkish shootdown for that day, and said that no, we would not be allies with Russia.

Then Hollande went to Moscow, allied with Russia anyway, and now the Russians and the French, with British sea support, are killing ISIS and other terrorist groups.

Oh, and to get there, the Greeks let the Russians overfly their territory, directly contrary to a formal request by the US government to deny them overflight.

So, you have one EU state, the most important one diplomatically and in terms of power projection capacity, in a military alliance with Russia, and the second most important EU military state there operating with the French, and de facto alongside the Russians (because the French are allied with the Russians).

And you have Greece ignoring the United States in favor of Russia.

You have Germany, who doesn't send forces abroad, on the wrong side of a Ukrainian war started by the US, and the US as odd-man out.

And you have nobody in Europe liking the refugee flow, and wanting Syria dealt with NOW, ISIS destroyed NOW, and so tacitly backing the Russians while actively supporting the French.

The US lost. We lost on the Ukraine: it won't be NATO, it won't be EU, and it's not going to cause the Europeans to freeze out Russia.

The US lost on Greece - so did the bankers. The Greek workout is not the "sell the islands" nonsense that German bankers were demanding, because Greece can ally with Russia, and that's more dangerous than letting the Greeks have somewhat better terms.

The US lost in Syria: Assad will stay. At the end of all of this, Putin may even get those ships from France, and the Russians and the French and British, anyway, will see eye to eye.

The Americans have to come to the table, or else we're going to have our allies allied with Russia and ignoring the USA.

The destruction of ISIS is going to calm the waters in Europe about Russia, and deconflict.

Obama's and the neo-Cold-Warrior's obsession with Russia has failed.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-12-15   18:10:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Vicomte13 (#3)

The Paris bombing changed everything. The French, led by Hollande, want BLOOD, and they really don't give a damn what nuances there are to American policy. Obama wants Assad gone, but the French want ISIS destroyed NOW, and they don't care about Assad.

France isn't big enough or equipped to be decisive in Syria and they can't persuade the rest of the EU to join in, even on bombing or no-fly zones. Germany won't go, Greece won't shut off the refugees, etc.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-12-15   22:29:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: TooConservative (#8)

France was attacked, and went to the EU, not NATO, and the EU agreed to back France fully. That's why the British already have naval forces in the Eastern Med, operating with the French and the Russians.

Of course France isn't big enough to be decisive in Syria, but France plus Russia, and Britain, with help from Greece and other European countries, even if only moral support, IS big enough to take down ISIS.

Take down ISIS, and the refugee flow stops. It's not a matter of the Greeks saying no - it's a matter of breaking ISIS so people stop flooding out of Syria.

Even the Germans want that.

And because the Russians and French, with a British assist, are going to do that, Russia will be rehabilitated, and Merkel will have a way clear to patch up with Putin. Germany is staring into the abyss with all of this immigration, and they know it has to be stopped at the source.

They will abandon the American jihad on Russia and go along with the French and British and Greeks and others to make things work with Putin again, which is the better answer for Europe.

It's the better answer for America too. It's what Trump would negotiate if he were in office.

It's not just France. France is just the element whose shift into alliance with Russia changed the balance of diplomatic and political power towards patching up with Russia and not letting the Americans get their policy desires in Syria or the Ukraine.

It is also convenient that Turkey created a crisis by shooting down the Russian plane. The Turks got some goodies from America for that, but the price is that Turkey will not be getting into the EU, which was a much bigger prize for them. The Turks behaved stupidly, and they will now pay for it for a generation.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-12-15   22:37:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Vicomte13 (#10)

France was attacked, and went to the EU, not NATO, and the EU agreed to back France fully. That's why the British already have naval forces in the Eastern Med, operating with the French and the Russians.

The only problem is that NATO/EU exhausted its major weapons stores during the fight with Ghaddafi and has never really recovered.

Maybe they could buy some missiles from the Russians. They can't buy them from us because it takes 3-4 years to build new ones and America is out of its easily-disposed arsenal, at historic lows.

And Britain, however compliant Cameron would like to be, isn't going anywhere near another major commitment in the Mideast.

Not. Happening.

Our so-called NATO allies are so weak, they could barely fight their way out of Europe let alone defeat a dug-in foe like ISIS. At this point, I doubt NATO/EU can even stop the refugees. I think I'd bet on the refugees, not Brussels/Paris/Berlin/London.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-12-15   22:44:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: TooConservative (#11)

I think I'd bet on the refugees, not Brussels/Paris/Berlin/London.

Brussels/Paris/Berlin/London/MOSCOW.

You left out the key.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-12-15   22:49:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Vicomte13 (#12)

C'mon, you've already lost if you can't win without Russia.

How low our supposed NATO allies have fallen. We need to tell them we're pulling out of Europe altogether. As long as we help them, they just get weaker and more useless.

We're the enablers of their learned helplessness.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-12-15   22:53:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: TooConservative (#13)

How low our supposed NATO allies have fallen. We need to tell them we're pulling out of Europe altogether. As long as we help them, they just get weaker and more useless.

We're the enablers of their learned helplessness.

Excellent observation. Our great weakness is that we are too good of an ally, and we end up with weak allies as a result.

nativist nationalist  posted on  2015-12-16   1:13:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: nativist nationalist (#16)

Our great weakness is that we are too good of an ally

We don't do this out of the goodness of our hearts. We do it because we refuse to share control.

Also, our allies are impressed by nuclear weapons. Nuclear weapons mean that you really can't be invaded, and therefore don't need a huge, expensive conventional army, as before.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-12-16   8:44:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Vicomte13 (#19)

Also, our allies are impressed by nuclear weapons. Nuclear weapons mean that you really can't be invaded, and therefore don't need a huge, expensive conventional army, as before.

Our NATO partners are quite happy we station nukes on their territories for their protection. South Korea is one of the few places we've taken them out of. Our client states rightly see these as tripwires, that any major attack on our EU nuke storage sites are a de facto declaration of nuclear war on the United States. So you barely hear a quiver of protest in Europe about the constant presence of American nuclear arms on their territory, even though they are obvious targets for any serious enemy to attack.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-12-16   10:03:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#24. To: TooConservative (#23)

Our NATO partners are quite happy we station nukes on their territories for their protection.

How do you know that they are happy?

A Pole  posted on  2015-12-16 10:05:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: TooConservative (#23)

Our NATO partners are quite happy we station nukes on their territories for their protection.

Of course. That is smart. The UK and France have their own nuclear forces to protect their home sanctuaries from invasion, but are not willing to trade, say, London for Warsaw. That's the Americans' job.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-12-16 11:35:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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