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Title: French Socialists, Cuckservatives Shut Out Le Pen’s FN; Astute BBC (!) Comment
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Published: Dec 14, 2015
Author: Patrick Cleburne
Post Date: 2015-12-14 13:32:49 by nativist nationalist
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Reuters reports French far right fails to win any regions: election exit polls By Ingrid Melander and Michel Rose Reuters Sun Dec 13, 2015 Marine Le Pen’s National Front failed to win any regions in French elections on Sunday as Socialist tactical voting handed power in its three main targets to the conservatives of ex-president Nicolas Sarkozy, exit polls showed. Sarkozy’s The Republicans and center-right allies took 57.5 percent of the vote in the northern region against Le Pen’s 42.5 percent, the Ifop Fiducial poll for iTELE, Paris Match and Sud Radio showed… In the southeast, another FN target where Marechal-Le Pen was the FN’s lead candidate, the conservatives scored 54.5 percent and the FN 45.5, the poll said. In the eastern region, where the Socialists did not withdraw but where the FN also did well in the first round, the center right won 48.4 percent against the FN’s 36.4 percent, according to a separate poll by TNS-Sofres- One Point. Steve Sailer predicted and explained this result on Saturday in The Odds Against Le Pen It’s basic median voter theorem: in a two party race, it’s hard for the right to beat the center-right. The French Cuckservative leader Nicholas Sarkozy sounded not entirely happy …calling the strong FN showing a “warning sent to all politicians, ourselves included, in the first round…We now have to take the time for in-depth debates about what worries the French…” he said, citing Europe, unemployment, security and identity issues. Surprisingly, despite a tendentious headline, the dogmatically leftist BBC allowed a penetrating and astute comment by their Paris correspondent, Hugh Schofield There can be no hiding that the results of the elections are a big personal blow to Marine Le Pen… But in a way that suits her fine. Because what it all means is that nothing in France has changed. The two main parties continue sharing out the goodies (in this case deliberately conniving to keep hers as well). Meanwhile unemployment rises; terror stalks; the grim insurrectionary mood continues to spread. Marine’s prospects for power may be limited, but her appeal is as strong as ever for France’s growing numbers of disgruntled and disaffected. That French “ouf” of relief? It’s also the noise you make when you get a fist in the abdomen. Quite likely this will cost Schofield his job. 
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#2. To: nativist nationalist (#0)
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Nor will it change because of the childish French mind. The French are good at making messes, then crying about it. They cry, but they don't learn.
What "mess" have the French, specifically, made that we and the rest of the West have not made? What lessons have WE learned? What distinguishes us at all from the French?
What "mess" have the French, specifically, made that we and the rest of the West have not made? What lessons have WE learned? What distinguishes us at all from the French? I'm glad you brought that up. The French (and Germans) are setting an example in incompetence that we are following. Right now they are a little ahead of us in implementing stupidity. Eventually we'll exceed them.
Well, the way I see it, the French have a much better legal system, a much better health insurance system, a health care system that is at the same level as ours, a much better general education system, a more advanced energy grid (nuclear vs. coal plants), a better national transport system, and a better retirement system. So I'm not sure where the stupidity and incompetence is. Certainly there is a moral collapse from sex, that results in contracepting away the future and having to import people to fill the gap. And that really is stupid, but we're actually further down the demographic death spiral curve than the French are. So again, I don't see the incompetence of which you speak.
I thik you will gain your ability to see if you talk to the people who were killed in the recent jihadist terrorist attacks or take an evening walk through islamic jihadist controlled areas that are forbidden to outsiders.
There does not exist, in France, any "jihadist controlled areas" that are "forbidden to outsiders". There exist suburban ghettos that are comparable to Anacostia, Maryland, Bed-Sty New York, Detroit, Newark, Compton and Stockton CA, and the south side of Chicago and the like, which are crime infested and where there are gangs in the projects. But those areas of America are not "no go" areas "forbidden to outsiders" either. They're dangerous, and you wouldn't want to be a single woman walking alone, or anybody walking at night. You wouldn't want to go and linger there, to see what happens, because trouble will find you in such places. The notion of Muslim compounds in France where people are "forbidden to go" is a fantasy. The notion that there are places where the police "cannot go" is also a fantasy. There are really bad ghettos in France and in America, in England and Brazil, and everywhere else in the Western world too, where things are rough because the people are poor, angry, and clustered together in tenements, which practically cause gangs of young men to spontaneously form. That's all true. Islamic jihadist controlled independent territories is pure imagination. It's wild exaggeration designed to stampede people who don't know better. Look at the very worst parts of America. Are any of those so controlled by gangs - or jihadists - that the police do not "dare" enter, that they are "ruled off limits"? Name one. There is no such place. Over a quarter - about 30% - of America's population are poor blacks and Hispanics, millions of them illegal. They live in terrible places, and there is bad crime, but not SO bad that the government "doesn't go in there". The phone company and water company and road repair crews go in there too. There are no areas in American "forbidden to others". There are high crime ghettos, and nothing more. In France, the unassimilated foreign population, mostly Muslims, is less than half the American percentage. It's somewhere in the 11-12% range. They have less than half of the population problem, and the ghetto areas are concentrated and well known. And the violent crime rates in THOSE areas, in France, are lower than in the US. I have been in a few of those areas. They're poor tenements, with gangs of unhappy young men. It's not as bad as Anacostia and Detroit or South Chicago anywhere in France. Not even close. None of this is GOOD, but the issue in both places is economics. And in France, as in America, the police go wherever they please. In France there is a much greater general cultural tradition of beating the crap out of the police. It's a country that has had a lot of revolutions, and that has a revolutionary tradition, and the police in any country are the primary oppressive force of the government. Policemen earn their keep by imposing themselves on their fellow citizens, and they are resented everywhere in the world. In France, with its revolutionary tradition, when people cook off they beat up the police. But all of France has a tradition of that. It started with white people building barricades and throwing paving stones at the "forces of order", and continues that way, to this day. For the most part, these violent confrontations between people and police are not deadly. People get hurt, because they get hit by rocks (on the police side) and clubs and firehoses (on the protester side). But the cops don't draw their guns and shoot, and the people, who have plenty of shotguns in their homes all over France, don't SHOOT the police either. The violence and property damage is high in French protests, stuff gets burnt. But the death tolls are usually low or nil. This is not something NEW to Muslims. The French have been doing this periodically since the late 1700s. And there have been no mass MUSLIM protests like that in France. If THAT happened the people would be alarmed. With the Muslims, you have a lot of poor people in tenements, with young men cooking off, forming gangs. The murder rate is much lower than in the US. The rape rate is higher. A peculiarity of American culture is that people shoot each other dead a lot. European culture is more generally larcenous, but less prone to kill. And the Muslims really do commit a lot of rapes. But "no go" areas of France, "controlled by jihadists", that are "forbidden to outsiders"? They do not exist. At all. Anywhere. There are no police "no go" areas in America or France. They are a myth, told to whip up hysteria. It's always better to stick to the facts. Things are bad, but they're not THAT bad.
I thought America had higher rape rates? Doesn't make sense for a Muslim to rape since it's "haram"
It is not prohibited to Muslims to rape slaves and infidels. In any case, comparing crime statistics is notoriously difficult, because things that are a crime in one country are not a crime in another, and crimes are categorized differently. Also, all crime statistics depend on reporting. The rape rate of house servants in Saudi Arabia is very high in reality - we know this from victim testimony - but the reporting rate is virtually zero, because Filipina house-maids who are raped, if they go to the authorities, will either be handed back to their "owners", or may even be whipped or executed for sexual immorality. Ilico presto, no rape rate. When you compare Western countries with reasonably comparable legal systems, you find that Sweden and Belgium top the list, with America next, then other European systems. However, most European countries do not consider "date rape" to be rape at all. Rape in Europe generally means forcible, violent rape. There is no such thing as statutory rape in most European countries either. The ages of consent are very low in most places, and even if the offense is below that, if it is not violent, it is corrupting the morals of a minor, not rape. In America, statutory rape is counted as rape. When those things are teased out of the equation, the truth emerges: a woman is more likely to be violently sexually assaulted in much of Europe than in the USA.
So what I see it's usually Fillipinas and European girls they target. Good. That means I'm safe in Saudi Arabia. As far as I know adultery and sexual relations with a woman who's not your slave or wife is forbidden. They said you can lie to kuffars and oppress them, or kill them (depending on ur translation), but i didn't see rape or they have no rights. Christians and Jews are under protection in the Qu'ran since they're 'people of the book' depending on Muhammads mood and situation in that context.
#23. To: ebonytwix (#22)
It's an expensive plane ticket to get there, and once you're there, you can't practice your religion (unless you're a Muslim). And you can't drive. And you'll have to wear your face covering, all of that. But hey, if that's what you want - you pays your money, you takes your chances. Trading freedom and Christianity and eternal life for submission, Islam and Gehenna seems like a poor choice, roughly akin to jumping off a bridge.
Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestBecause what it all means is that nothing in France has changed.
#3. To: rlk (#2)
Nor will it change because of the childish French mind. The French are good at making messes, then crying about it. They cry, but they don't learn.
#11. To: Vicomte13 (#3)
Nor will it change because of the childish French mind. The French are good at making messes, then crying about it. They cry, but they don't learn.
#12. To: rlk (#11)
I'm glad you brought that up. The French (and Germans) are setting an example in incompetence that we are following. Right now they are a little ahead of us in implementing stupidity. Eventually we'll exceed them.
#13. To: Vicomte13 (#12)
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So again, I don't see the incompetence of which you speak.
#15. To: rlk (#13)
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#20. To: Vicomte13 (#15)
#21. To: ebonytwix (#20)
I thought America had higher rape rates? Doesn't make sense for a Muslim to rape since it's "haram"
#22. To: Vicomte13 (#21)
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