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Title: French Socialists, Cuckservatives Shut Out Le Pen’s FN; Astute BBC (!) Comment
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Published: Dec 14, 2015
Author: Patrick Cleburne
Post Date: 2015-12-14 13:32:49 by nativist nationalist
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Reuters reports French far right fails to win any regions: election exit polls By Ingrid Melander and Michel Rose Reuters Sun Dec 13, 2015 Marine Le Pen’s National Front failed to win any regions in French elections on Sunday as Socialist tactical voting handed power in its three main targets to the conservatives of ex-president Nicolas Sarkozy, exit polls showed. Sarkozy’s The Republicans and center-right allies took 57.5 percent of the vote in the northern region against Le Pen’s 42.5 percent, the Ifop Fiducial poll for iTELE, Paris Match and Sud Radio showed… In the southeast, another FN target where Marechal-Le Pen was the FN’s lead candidate, the conservatives scored 54.5 percent and the FN 45.5, the poll said. In the eastern region, where the Socialists did not withdraw but where the FN also did well in the first round, the center right won 48.4 percent against the FN’s 36.4 percent, according to a separate poll by TNS-Sofres- One Point. Steve Sailer predicted and explained this result on Saturday in The Odds Against Le Pen It’s basic median voter theorem: in a two party race, it’s hard for the right to beat the center-right. The French Cuckservative leader Nicholas Sarkozy sounded not entirely happy …calling the strong FN showing a “warning sent to all politicians, ourselves included, in the first round…We now have to take the time for in-depth debates about what worries the French…” he said, citing Europe, unemployment, security and identity issues. Surprisingly, despite a tendentious headline, the dogmatically leftist BBC allowed a penetrating and astute comment by their Paris correspondent, Hugh Schofield There can be no hiding that the results of the elections are a big personal blow to Marine Le Pen… But in a way that suits her fine. Because what it all means is that nothing in France has changed. The two main parties continue sharing out the goodies (in this case deliberately conniving to keep hers as well). Meanwhile unemployment rises; terror stalks; the grim insurrectionary mood continues to spread. Marine’s prospects for power may be limited, but her appeal is as strong as ever for France’s growing numbers of disgruntled and disaffected. That French “ouf” of relief? It’s also the noise you make when you get a fist in the abdomen. Quite likely this will cost Schofield his job. 
FN's Marion Marechal-Le Pen: The future belongs to her
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#1. To: nativist nationalist (#0)
You can ignore and suppress the people's concerns for a long time. But over time the ranks of the disaffected grow and grow. And eventually, when they are the majority, you try to ignore them for the last time. But they will not be ignored. So you try to suppress them. And then you discover that they are the majority, and include people within your own ranks. And then your system of law and government is swept away, not according to YOUR rules, but according to the rules of those who are more powerful than you. Generally speaking, this is a good time for you to leave the country, and usually they will let you out with your lives, but never with your property. They keep that. And because of your long tenure, you've accumulated a lot of it. This has been the pattern again and again...in England, in America, in France, in Russia, in Mexico, in China, in Southeast Asia, in Cuba, and again and again and again. What's surprising is that nobody in power ever seems to learn from it. For example: Sarkhozy says "We now have to take the time for in-depth debates about what worries the French". Those debates will be held, but the positions of the two sides are fundamentally incompatible, and demand concessions neither will make. So it has to end with Sarkozy's side declaring their victory and continuing with what they want to do.
Nor will it change because of the childish French mind. The French are good at making messes, then crying about it. They cry, but they don't learn.
What "mess" have the French, specifically, made that we and the rest of the West have not made? What lessons have WE learned? What distinguishes us at all from the French?
Sounds like even the kneejerk left are starting to wake up and be upset over the shared power schemes that go on that only serve to strengthen and enrich the embedded professional political criminal classes. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
This has been the pattern again and again...in England, in America, in France, in Russia, in Mexico, in China, in Southeast Asia, in Cuba, and again and again and again. Acute observation. What's surprising is that nobody in power ever seems to learn from it. I disagree on this. Royalty and those in power have been escaping with their ill-gotten gains for centuries,and they are still doing it. The most recent example that comes to mind are a former president of Mexico (Bush Crime Family Goombas) that fled Mexico ahead of arrest and gained asylum in France after they were discovered to be receiving pay-offs from a drug cartel. IIRC,they also managed to steal a couple of billion from the Mexican treasury on their way out the door. This is who JEB's wife was visiting in Paris when she was busted for trying to smuggle jewelry and furs into the US without paying customs dues on them. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
Who cares. post arab qts
Generally speaking, this is a good time for you to leave the country, and usually they will let you out with your lives, but never with your property. -- Vicomte Sneakypete ---I disagree on this. Royalty and those in power have been escaping with their ill-gotten gains for centuries,and they are still doing it. If/when our system collapses, -- You can bet your bottom dollar that our 'royalty' will escape to well prepared hide-always, all over the world. But the average billionaire can kiss his ass goodby.. -- They really do believe they're immune from catastrophes, from all political indications...
But the average billionaire can kiss his ass goodby.. -- They really do believe they're immune from catastrophes, from all political indications... Not really. They have bodyguards,private planes,private helicopters to fly them out of the big cities,and even yachts in marinas to take them off shore. I don't know where the most popular spots for refuge are now,but 10 years or so ago,countries in South America were very popular amongst the uber wealthy like the Bush Crime Family,Sylvester Stallone,and others. Stallone and a bunch of others whose names I can't remember right now bought up huge land tracts in Argentina,and the Bush Crime Family,IIRC,bought a huge ranch in Paraguay that was right next to a army base. South and Central America are popular becuase the miilitary serve as a police force in most of them,and they can always be counted on to surround the rances and estates of the wealthy and protect them from any unrest. These people can be gone in a instant. A large chunk of their wealth is parked in offshore/foreign banks,so they don't even have to waste any time shifting assets. Private helicopter to the local private airport or marina,jump on the private jet or yacht,and in just a few minutes you are out of reach. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
For awhile. But if you track forward the arc of exiles over the course of history, it is actually quite consistent. The source of their wealth has always been industries and trades and land and finance WITHIN a country. Of course gold is fungible and transportable, and they have property abroad, and it is liquid. When revolution comes, they flee to a safe haven, where they have money and comfort. They flee and plot their return from exile. Now, some do return. Sometimes revolutions are reversed. But usually they are not reversed. What happens then is that the aged Idi Amin, or the aging Bokassa, or the aging Shah, etc., lives in comfort in the country of his exile and asylum. He has his wealth and his next, but his SECURITY is really dependent on the government of the state to which he has fled. He was top dog in HIS country, but whatever country he flees to, he will not be top dog there. He is an exotic guest, a protected pet. Host nations of exile do not share power with the exiles. The exiles are not FROM there. THEIR power was back in their home land, and they have been torn up by the roots from that. The stalk, stem, flower all look the same, but underground the transplanted billionaire or ruler has only the barest of roots. He does not have his tendrils of influence all over the country of his exile. He has his loyalist guards around him, and in his own country, they inspired fear because they could kill with impunity. Not so in the country of exile. In the country of exile, the exile is distinguished, and is allowed his entourage and private guard, but if they KILL anybody, or damage property, they're just rich foreigners. The Bokassa type may not be arrested, but his chauffeur or bodyguard will be. There are also the temptations of the surrounding society for the guards, for the hangers on, even for the family of the exile. He has the power that money will give, but it is literally the power of the lottery winner: whatever money can buy, he can buy, but he has no power to instill fear or compel the corrupt deals that REALLY empower the Bokassas and Amins. His money supply is now finite, and dwindling...with inflation, with taxation in the new country, with the inflated prices for luxury goods that the local French or whomever charge HIM and HIS WIFE. They'll give gowns and perks to Sarkozy's wife, because SHE is part of the network of deep roots in that country, but the dictator in exile, the super-rich exile - he doesn't have the apparatus of state with him. In fact, he is a liability to the host country, for the host country still has ties with the country from which the exile fled, and that country is always agitating for his return. Now perhaps France, or wherever, never returns Bokassa or Amin or the Shah. But they always COULD - the exile's position is precarious. And as exiles age, they need medical care - state of the art care that can only be gotten in an handful of countries. Meanwhile, time goes on, and the host country always has a greater long term interest in good relations with the nation whence the exile fled. France doesn;t send Bokassa back, BUT ongoing relations with the Central African Republic are of MUCH greater interest to the French power elite than returning some failed dictator to his former power. Hard work and talent can make a man a millionaire, but billionaires have connections, power, monopoly - and those things come from a national government. Rip him up and put him elsewhere, and his power, money, everything dwindles. Perhaps he lives out his life in relative comfort, with various pleasures, but he is surrounded by spies, he cannot launch new powerful business ventures because he is hemmed in by the more powerful elite of his host country. He has become a pawn out of play, nothing more. And he can always be handed back, if the price is right. Snowden isn't rich, but it doesn't matter. He is secure in his Russian liberty UNTIL somebody like Trump makes a grand deal with Vladimir Putin. Then Putin will decide the value of a Snowden. Now, it may be that the master spy decides that, to encourage FUTURE spies and defections, NOT handing over Snowden would serve the national interests better than giving him up. But it's Putin's decision, not Snowden's. That is the position of every exile, however rich. He has come into the realm of other richer people with more power. They will not allow him to challenge him on their turf. So all he can with his money is what a lottery winner can do - nothing more. He may live out his life span, but his children and onward will be diminished, will have less, will revert to the mean. There are still exiled princes from various royal houses in parts of Europe. They have the glamor of title, but they don't have power; nor do they have anything like the wealth their illustrious parents and grandparents did. The jet setting international elite can only continue to accrue power as long as they have their home country out of which to operate. Once they are torn up from there, they are still wealthy, but they go into irreversible decline if they cannot get their home country back.
Which is why the globalists seek globalism. Regardless of where they may park their carcasses,They ARE the power. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
What "mess" have the French, specifically, made that we and the rest of the West have not made? What lessons have WE learned? What distinguishes us at all from the French? I'm glad you brought that up. The French (and Germans) are setting an example in incompetence that we are following. Right now they are a little ahead of us in implementing stupidity. Eventually we'll exceed them.
Well, the way I see it, the French have a much better legal system, a much better health insurance system, a health care system that is at the same level as ours, a much better general education system, a more advanced energy grid (nuclear vs. coal plants), a better national transport system, and a better retirement system. So I'm not sure where the stupidity and incompetence is. Certainly there is a moral collapse from sex, that results in contracepting away the future and having to import people to fill the gap. And that really is stupid, but we're actually further down the demographic death spiral curve than the French are. So again, I don't see the incompetence of which you speak.
I thik you will gain your ability to see if you talk to the people who were killed in the recent jihadist terrorist attacks or take an evening walk through islamic jihadist controlled areas that are forbidden to outsiders.
>islamic jihadist controlled areas That doesn't exist you slobbering dote. Stop getting your information from obscure propaganda websites or Fox News. Have you ever even BEEN to France or KNOWN a French person?
There does not exist, in France, any "jihadist controlled areas" that are "forbidden to outsiders". There exist suburban ghettos that are comparable to Anacostia, Maryland, Bed-Sty New York, Detroit, Newark, Compton and Stockton CA, and the south side of Chicago and the like, which are crime infested and where there are gangs in the projects. But those areas of America are not "no go" areas "forbidden to outsiders" either. They're dangerous, and you wouldn't want to be a single woman walking alone, or anybody walking at night. You wouldn't want to go and linger there, to see what happens, because trouble will find you in such places. The notion of Muslim compounds in France where people are "forbidden to go" is a fantasy. The notion that there are places where the police "cannot go" is also a fantasy. There are really bad ghettos in France and in America, in England and Brazil, and everywhere else in the Western world too, where things are rough because the people are poor, angry, and clustered together in tenements, which practically cause gangs of young men to spontaneously form. That's all true. Islamic jihadist controlled independent territories is pure imagination. It's wild exaggeration designed to stampede people who don't know better. Look at the very worst parts of America. Are any of those so controlled by gangs - or jihadists - that the police do not "dare" enter, that they are "ruled off limits"? Name one. There is no such place. Over a quarter - about 30% - of America's population are poor blacks and Hispanics, millions of them illegal. They live in terrible places, and there is bad crime, but not SO bad that the government "doesn't go in there". The phone company and water company and road repair crews go in there too. There are no areas in American "forbidden to others". There are high crime ghettos, and nothing more. In France, the unassimilated foreign population, mostly Muslims, is less than half the American percentage. It's somewhere in the 11-12% range. They have less than half of the population problem, and the ghetto areas are concentrated and well known. And the violent crime rates in THOSE areas, in France, are lower than in the US. I have been in a few of those areas. They're poor tenements, with gangs of unhappy young men. It's not as bad as Anacostia and Detroit or South Chicago anywhere in France. Not even close. None of this is GOOD, but the issue in both places is economics. And in France, as in America, the police go wherever they please. In France there is a much greater general cultural tradition of beating the crap out of the police. It's a country that has had a lot of revolutions, and that has a revolutionary tradition, and the police in any country are the primary oppressive force of the government. Policemen earn their keep by imposing themselves on their fellow citizens, and they are resented everywhere in the world. In France, with its revolutionary tradition, when people cook off they beat up the police. But all of France has a tradition of that. It started with white people building barricades and throwing paving stones at the "forces of order", and continues that way, to this day. For the most part, these violent confrontations between people and police are not deadly. People get hurt, because they get hit by rocks (on the police side) and clubs and firehoses (on the protester side). But the cops don't draw their guns and shoot, and the people, who have plenty of shotguns in their homes all over France, don't SHOOT the police either. The violence and property damage is high in French protests, stuff gets burnt. But the death tolls are usually low or nil. This is not something NEW to Muslims. The French have been doing this periodically since the late 1700s. And there have been no mass MUSLIM protests like that in France. If THAT happened the people would be alarmed. With the Muslims, you have a lot of poor people in tenements, with young men cooking off, forming gangs. The murder rate is much lower than in the US. The rape rate is higher. A peculiarity of American culture is that people shoot each other dead a lot. European culture is more generally larcenous, but less prone to kill. And the Muslims really do commit a lot of rapes. But "no go" areas of France, "controlled by jihadists", that are "forbidden to outsiders"? They do not exist. At all. Anywhere. There are no police "no go" areas in America or France. They are a myth, told to whip up hysteria. It's always better to stick to the facts. Things are bad, but they're not THAT bad.
Stalin said: it does not matter who does vote, but who counts the votes.
According to you...
You think there are police no-go areas in America? Name one.
I believe him, he knows France a little better than you.
I thought America had higher rape rates? Doesn't make sense for a Muslim to rape since it's "haram"
It is not prohibited to Muslims to rape slaves and infidels. In any case, comparing crime statistics is notoriously difficult, because things that are a crime in one country are not a crime in another, and crimes are categorized differently. Also, all crime statistics depend on reporting. The rape rate of house servants in Saudi Arabia is very high in reality - we know this from victim testimony - but the reporting rate is virtually zero, because Filipina house-maids who are raped, if they go to the authorities, will either be handed back to their "owners", or may even be whipped or executed for sexual immorality. Ilico presto, no rape rate. When you compare Western countries with reasonably comparable legal systems, you find that Sweden and Belgium top the list, with America next, then other European systems. However, most European countries do not consider "date rape" to be rape at all. Rape in Europe generally means forcible, violent rape. There is no such thing as statutory rape in most European countries either. The ages of consent are very low in most places, and even if the offense is below that, if it is not violent, it is corrupting the morals of a minor, not rape. In America, statutory rape is counted as rape. When those things are teased out of the equation, the truth emerges: a woman is more likely to be violently sexually assaulted in much of Europe than in the USA.
So what I see it's usually Fillipinas and European girls they target. Good. That means I'm safe in Saudi Arabia. As far as I know adultery and sexual relations with a woman who's not your slave or wife is forbidden. They said you can lie to kuffars and oppress them, or kill them (depending on ur translation), but i didn't see rape or they have no rights. Christians and Jews are under protection in the Qu'ran since they're 'people of the book' depending on Muhammads mood and situation in that context.
It's an expensive plane ticket to get there, and once you're there, you can't practice your religion (unless you're a Muslim). And you can't drive. And you'll have to wear your face covering, all of that. But hey, if that's what you want - you pays your money, you takes your chances. Trading freedom and Christianity and eternal life for submission, Islam and Gehenna seems like a poor choice, roughly akin to jumping off a bridge.
CHRISTIANITY is the one and true path. I won't deny it even if I was trolling (which I was doing most of today and yesterday). I WOULD go to the UAE though or Qatar. There are good job benefits there especially for educated Westerners.
I don't like Islam, I think it's dangerous n strange. But Muslims are usually okay, like most people and have their faults unless they're the jihad or extra religious kind . I'm a strong Christian and would never be a Muslim. I like Arabic cultures, people, and countries. That's it. I swear.
That is true. But then, there are good jobs everywhere for well-educated Westerners.
It has that exotic factor. Plus I'm an Arabophile. Always been actually but it's wilder this year. I am a Medophile too
Well, good luck in your adventures.
ok I take it back might want to do your frenchymetrosexualbutt ! Tell her ! If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons - question marks are for girlie boys !
Dyke? I'm very feminine physically and mentally. Take that back plz
What does your intuition tell you?
I take it back might want to do your frenchymetrosexualbutt ! Ummm... Well, Boris, that's very flattering and all, but my butt is a one-way door - OUT - and you're not really my type...in no small part because you have a DICK (I assume anyway)...and I'm married anyway... So let's just put our hands back above the blanket and we'll pretend that you didn't just try to touch me there. M'kay?
About what?
About me wanting to go to those countries. About what might happen? I mean there's a small chance.. ay..
rofl He obviously wants you.... This shall make a grand tale one day, of the strange French poster who fell in love with the village schizo on LF
Yup!
I don't believe it.
I'd say that if you really want to go someplace to try it out, go. You only live once, and all men must die, so you may as well live the life you have as you want to live it. That may mean that you die sooner. But then again, it may mean that you have a lot of rich experiences to reoount in your old age.
Respond to my messages, por favor, Mr. Vicomte Sir Vicomte Sir The ThirdFourth
What you do not, or do, believe is irrelevant. I don't build my life according to the belief or nonbelief of verbose halfwits.
#2. To: nativist nationalist (#0)
(Edited)
Because what it all means is that nothing in France has changed.
#3. To: rlk (#2)
Nor will it change because of the childish French mind. The French are good at making messes, then crying about it. They cry, but they don't learn.
#4. To: nativist nationalist (#0)
Quite likely this will cost Schofield his job.
#5. To: Vicomte13 (#1)
Generally speaking, this is a good time for you to leave the country, and usually they will let you out with your lives, but never with your property. They keep that. And because of your long tenure, you've accumulated a lot of it.
#6. To: nativist nationalist (#0)
#7. To: sneakypete, Vicomte 13, y'all (#5)
And then your system of law and government is swept away, not according to YOUR rules, but according to the rules of those who are more powerful than you.
#8. To: tpaine (#7)
If/when our system collapses, -- You can bet your bottom dollar that our 'royalty' will escape to well prepared hide-always, all over the world.
#9. To: sneakypete (#8)
These people can be gone in a instant. A large chunk of their wealth is parked in offshore/foreign banks,so they don't even have to waste any time shifting assets. Private helicopter to the local private airport or marina,jump on the private jet or yacht,and in just a few minutes you are out of reach.
#10. To: Vicomte13 (#9)
Hard work and talent can make a man a millionaire, but billionaires have connections, power, monopoly - and those things come from a national government. Rip him up and put him elsewhere, and his power, money, everything dwindles.
#11. To: Vicomte13 (#3)
Nor will it change because of the childish French mind. The French are good at making messes, then crying about it. They cry, but they don't learn.
#12. To: rlk (#11)
I'm glad you brought that up. The French (and Germans) are setting an example in incompetence that we are following. Right now they are a little ahead of us in implementing stupidity. Eventually we'll exceed them.
#13. To: Vicomte13 (#12)
(Edited)
So again, I don't see the incompetence of which you speak.
#14. To: rlk (#13)
#15. To: rlk (#13)
(Edited)
#16. To: nativist nationalist (#0)
#17. To: Vicomte13 (#15)
There are no police "no go" areas in America
#18. To: rlk (#17)
According to you...
#19. To: rlk (#17)
#20. To: Vicomte13 (#15)
#21. To: ebonytwix (#20)
I thought America had higher rape rates? Doesn't make sense for a Muslim to rape since it's "haram"
#22. To: Vicomte13 (#21)
#23. To: ebonytwix (#22)
#24. To: Vicomte13 (#23)
#25. To: Vicomte13 (#23)
#26. To: ebonytwix (#24)
I WOULD go to the UAE though or Qatar. There are good job benefits there especially for educated Westerners.
#27. To: Vicomte13 (#26)
#28. To: ebonytwix (#27)
#29. To: Vicomte13 (#28)
(Edited)
#30. To: BorisY (#29)
#31. To: Vicomte13 (#28)
#32. To: BorisY (#29)
ok
#33. To: ebonytwix (#31)
What does your intuition tell you?
#34. To: Vicomte13 (#33)
#35. To: Vicomte13 (#32)
#36. To: ebonytwix (#14)
Have you ever even BEEN to France or KNOWN a French person?
#37. To: rlk (#36)
#38. To: ebonytwix (#34)
About me wanting to go to those countries. About what might happen? I mean there's a small chance.. ay..
#39. To: Vicomte13 (#38)
#40. To: ebonytwix (#37)
I don't believe it.
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