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Title: If Donald Trump Becomes President, It's on You
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URL Source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/melis ... html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592
Published: Dec 9, 2015
Author: Melissa Schwartz
Post Date: 2015-12-09 18:55:26 by Justified
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Views: 7923
Comments: 64

Enough is enough.

For months, political scientists have looked at the strange spectacle that is the Donald J. Trump for President campaign and have largely come away with one of two opinions.

For some, Trump is a caricature, a buffoon saying the most outlandish things to get screen time, debasing American politics, and pushing every possible limit of what should be appropriate for a presidential campaign.

For others, he represents a very substantial part of the electorate that has had enough of both parties and the stalemates in Washington. They want change. They want radical change. And they believe that Trump will force that change by waking politicos up to the anger in the country and the risk that comes with maintaining the status quo.

Both groups might have been right a few months ago. But Trump's candidacy has morphed into some different and far worse.

In the past several months, Trump has called Mexican immigrants rapists and bragged about building a wall akin to the Great Wall of China to keep them out of the United States. In mid-November, he promoted inaccurate statistics suggesting that most white people are killed by black people. When a black protester was accosted when disrupting one of his political rallies, he stated that "maybe he should have been roughed up." Last month, he suggested a mandatory Muslim registry. This week, he called for a "total and complete" ban on all Muslims entering the United States.

Words matter. Proposals matter. This man is ahead in every national poll. People are flocking to attend his events. The media continues to give airtime to his antics.

Enough is enough.

Donald Trump is not just capturing the discontent of Americans who are sick of D.C. He's stirring the hatred that lies just beneath the surface of so many of our communities. The kind of hatred that many people want to pretend does not exist. The kind of hatred that inspired Dylann Roof in Charleston, South Carolina; Chris Harper-Mercer in Roseburg, Oregon; and Robert Dear in Colorado Springs, Colorado.

He's not the cancer. He's a symptom, but a symptom capable of aggravating the underlying disease.

It's not just his hate speech that should alarm you. We have had candidates for decades that have based their campaigns on arousing hate and fear. But they have not been frontrunners.

If elected President, Donald Trump has the power to enact policies by executive action to round up people of a specific race and take unilateral action against them. If elected President, Donald Trump really can spend your taxpayer dollars to build walls, tear families apart, and deny federal benefits and protections to people of a specific race.

For those who believe President Obama has overreached during his presidency, imagine those same powers in the hands of Donald Trump.

Next year, silence is acceptance.

Your voice matters. Your dollar matters. Your vote matters.

If Donald Trump is elected President, it will be my fault. Your fault. Your neighbor's fault. Your co-worker's fault. American voters have the opportunity to do something about this.

Instead of rolling our eyes and changing the subject because it seems absurd, local communities need to recognize the hate he is stirring and act now. Elected leaders should identify and address frustrations that are boiling just beyond view (or, more often than not, stop looking the other way when it is in plain sight). Educators should use this moment to teach their students about what responsible leadership does and does not look like. Members of the media should stop being entertained by his hate speech and call it what it is. They should stop making excuses to justify ratings.

Smart people may disagree on policy. Marginalizing, discriminating against, and attacking individuals who may not look like you is not policy. It's hate. And it diminishes us all.

As Jewish people across the globe celebrate Hanukkah this week, I am reminded of Martin Niemoller's Holocaust-era poem:

First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out - because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me - and there was no one left to speak out for me.

History has shown us that monsters do not come into power overnight. They do not hide or mask positions and opinions.

Enough is enough.

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#24. To: Fred Mertz (#21)

I'd vote for Mitt over Obama any day of the week.

On the other hand you voted for Obama not once but twice.

Go sit in the corner dunce.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-12-09   22:15:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: A K A Stone (#24)

Exactly, why did you vote for Mittens? To disarm America or to install socialist medicine and insurance?

buckeroo  posted on  2015-12-09   22:23:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Vicomte13 (#23)

This is not statesmanship. It is REVENGE.

Vengence is Gods. According to the Bible. Maybe not to Catholics.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-12-09   22:23:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: buckeroo (#25)

Exactly, why did you vote for Mittens? To disarm America or to install socialist medicine and insurance?

I was hoping he would die in office of natural causes and make Palin President.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-12-09   22:24:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: A K A Stone (#26)

What do you have against Catholics, you heathen?

Fred Mertz  posted on  2015-12-09   22:24:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: A K A Stone (#27)

I was hoping he would die in office of natural causes and make Palin President.

That was McLunatic, not Mittens pea brain.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2015-12-09   22:25:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: A K A Stone (#26)

Vengence is Gods.

"Vengeance is mine alone" sayeth the Lord.

I am indeed a sinner.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-12-09   22:26:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Fred Mertz (#28)

What do you have against Catholics, you heathen?

Nothing against Catholics. There are many many good moral Catholics.

I don't believe many of the things they teach. They pervert the Bible.

The teach many unbiblical things. I'll name a few.

They pray to Mary.

They call the pope "holy father"

They think the Pope is infalliablen when making proclomations from the holy sea.

They changed the 10 commandments for themselves because they worship idols.

They think they are the authority for God on earth. They aren't his word is.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-12-09   22:28:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Vicomte13 (#30)

I am indeed a sinner.

Ok me too.

I like revenge too.

I just don't think that is what it is in the case you mentioned.

I don't think revenge is a reason to support someone. Especially as a Christian.

Sorry if I give you a harder time then others. Take that as a compliment though. It just means I hold you to a higher standard. I hold you to a higher standard because you say you are a christian and you say you do things based on his word.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-12-09   22:31:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Fred Mertz (#29)

That was McLunatic, not Mittens pea brain.

I voted for Romney because I thought he was a half way decent guy. That he would do a better job then Obama.

Yes Romney is a let down on many issues. But I don't hate the man.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-12-09   22:34:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Vicomte13 (#23)

Well, I'm a realist.

You should reread your post to understand that you are far from a "realist." After reading your posts for a few years on LibertyPost and on Liberty'sFlame, I would place you more of a "dreamer."

Your post included silly stuff, like:

Specifically, I want to see Trump win, and then govern using every ounce of power that Obama and the Republicrats have wielded over the years, but this time in MY direction.

Yup, a total disillusioned dreamer high on some cheap narcotic.

buckeroo  posted on  2015-12-09   22:42:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: buckeroo (#34)

Well, I am a dreamer also. YES! I AM SPARTICUS!

Psalm 37 PRAY FOR PARIS

Don  posted on  2015-12-09   22:44:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: tpaine (#14)

Maybe a little brainwashing, but that can be fixed.

Psalm 37 PRAY FOR PARIS

Don  posted on  2015-12-09   22:47:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: nolu chan (#15)

Trump's enemies are certainly showing their true colors. The silent majority is becoming aroused. It took long enough, and It took a nuclear bomb on their heads.

Psalm 37 PRAY FOR PARIS

Don  posted on  2015-12-09   22:50:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Don (#37)

Trump's enemies are certainly showing their true colors.

Please clarify, Don.

Do you mean his opponents or voters or establishment types?

I can't stand the guy, but I don't consider him an enemy, or vice versa.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2015-12-09   23:00:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Fred Mertz (#38)

The establishment types...

Psalm 37 PRAY FOR PARIS

Don  posted on  2015-12-09   23:08:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Don (#39)

Trump is getting a thousand headlines a day, both good and negative.

He's P.T. Barnum reincarnated.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2015-12-09   23:15:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Justified (#0)

In the past several months, Trump has called Mexican immigrants rapists and bragged about building a wall akin to the Great Wall of China to keep them out of the United States.

What is wrong with that? It should have been built more than 20 years ago?

rlk  posted on  2015-12-09   23:17:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Fred Mertz (#40)

He brings excitement to otherwise boring meetings of the party hacks. And, he is voicing what many think.

Psalm 37 PRAY FOR PARIS

Don  posted on  2015-12-09   23:17:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: buckeroo (#34)

Disillusioned, yes. I've lost my illusions on my travels.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-12-09   23:31:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Vicomte13 (#43)

What were your previous illusions and how did they get destroyed?

ebonytwix  posted on  2015-12-09   23:43:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Don (#37)

Trump's enemies are certainly showing their true colors.

Yeah, here is a new turd floated by Jeb today.

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/jeb-bush-trump-other-version-barack-obama-n477131http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/jeb-bush-trump-other-version-barack-obama-n477131

Jeb Bush: Trump Is 'the Other Version' of Barack Obama

by Kasie Hunt and Jordan Frasier

MANCHESTER, N.H. -- Jeb Bush on Wednesday called Donald Trump "Barack Obama - the other version of it," as he campaigned in New Hampshire with a surrogate who's said he'd vote for Hillary Clinton over Trump.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-12-09   23:46:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Justified (#0)

Seems like the libs don't know how to handle Trump.

I will say not many of the younger generation like Him.

For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die. But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. (Romans 5:6-8)

redleghunter  posted on  2015-12-10   0:38:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: redleghunter (#46)

I will say not many of the younger generation like Him. [sic]

He's an a-hole. Not much to like.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2015-12-10   0:40:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: rlk (#41)

bragged about building a wall akin to the Great Wall of China

He should take a look at the wall today before he starts, Hadrian's wall didn't keep the scots out of Britain, the Chinese wall didn't keep the mongols out of China, is there a lesson there, do you think?

paraclete  posted on  2015-12-10   1:03:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: paraclete (#48)

Israel's wall keeps the Palestinian terrorists out.

The DMZ keeps the North Koreans out.

The Berlin Wall kept the East Berliners in.

The Iron Curtain kept the East Europeans in.

The trench lines kept the Germans out.

The Great Wall of China and Hadrian's Wall kept out raiding parties. Against a whole Mongol Army it didn't work. The Mexicans are not coming across the border as an army or even as raiding parties. They're walking across the desert, unarmed, to find work. A high wall will keep most out. A few will go over, under or around - but it will be a lot fewer. Drug traffickers will dig tunnels, or go around, but it will cut the flow substantially...and thereby raise the price.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-12-10   7:03:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Fred Mertz, buckeroo (#21)

Thanks. I can't believe someone would admit to voting for Mittens.

So you were good letting Zero take Amerika even farther down the path.

The main reason I voted for Mitt was Obummercare. Once there is a federal program its easier to get to the mars than to remove that program.

I voted the way I thought was best and thats it. Im more appalled at those that did not vote for mitt because he was not perfect. Good luck finding a candidate like that! Ive seen RP supporters pooh pooh all over Rand because he is not as radical as his father. What the hell is wrong with people? I understand not voting for Mccrazy. I even get voting for mitt sucks but who else you voting for or does another 4 years of much bigger government sound better?

Justified  posted on  2015-12-10   8:55:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: redleghunter (#46)

Regarding the younger generation, each generation has been getting progressively worse. They have been effectively indoctrinated in the new ways.

Psalm 37 PRAY FOR PARIS

Don  posted on  2015-12-10   9:05:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Justified (#0)

The author Melissa Schwartz is an idiot ! I bet she voted for Obunghole.

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't

Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.

There are no Carthaginian terrorists.

“The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his.” - George S. Patton

Stoner  posted on  2015-12-10   9:15:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: ebonytwix (#44)

What were your previous illusions and how did they get destroyed?

That's a lifetime's worth of stories. Suffice it to say that each institution in which I invested trust proved to be untrustworthy.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-12-10   9:15:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Fred Mertz (#21)

I can't believe someone would admit to voting for Mittens.

I gritted my teeth and voted for Romney and hated myself for doing it. I also said to myself "Never again". That was the last time I vote for the lesser of two evils.

I SHOULD have folded my arms and refused to vote, because Romney's a babykiller, but in the end my desire to defeat the Democrats in general overcame my resolve and I went down and voted for Romney.

THIS time I will be skipping at the polling station, with a big shit-eating grin on my face as I vote FOR Trump.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-12-10   9:19:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Vicomte13 (#54)

THIS time I will be skipping at the polling station,

Like a little girl?

Now Trump is threatening to run third-party and hog the headlines all weekend.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2015-12-10   9:23:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Vicomte13 (#54)

I SHOULD have folded my arms and refused to vote, because Romney's a babykiller

Romney changed his position just like Trump.

Why is Romney but not Trump?

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-12-10   9:42:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: A K A Stone (#32)

you say you do things based on his word.

I do things based on God's word. And it is often a struggle. There are things I have to resist doing, and I have to resist a lot. Lust in particular. There are sins of the body and sins of the mind. The Old Testament is easier, because avoiding the doing is easier than avoiding the thinking.

In fact, I find that I CAN'T avoid the thinking.

And THEREFORE I've read Jesus carefully. If thinking it is adultery, then I'm an adulterer every day, several times a day. And Jesus said that thinking it is adultery. So therefore I am a serial adulterer - tens of thousands of thought crimes. Commission by bumping uglies? No. The body is easier to control than the mind.

But adulterers are thrown into the fire, and those who lust after others are adulterers: Jesus said so. Which means that unless there is an out, I am quite damned.

But there is an out. Jesus gave an out. He only gave one. You have to believe him and follow him, and following him MEANS doing what he said. And what he said, in the parable of the unforgiving servant, is that if I want God to forgive me my sins, I have to forgive others theirs.

From Jesus' own mouth, right there in the Scripture, I know for certain that the only way God is going to forgive me my legions of sins, is to forgive others. And because I have tens of thousands of sins of adultery as Jesus (not Moses) defined it, THEREFORE I have to be endlessly forgiving.

I've had sanctimonious pricks to tell me that all I need to do to stop lusting is to ask God. They're wrong. That does not work. At all. Next time somebody does, I will ask him to lend me a lot of money - because God said to lend when asked. And then when he doesn't I'll give the same accusatory "Then you don't REALLY believe in God, because you do not trust his word" tone that I get from him.

The difference is that the sanctimonious pricks really MEAN it, whereas I really won't mean that I want him to lend me money - I will be trying to teach him something. But he won't get it.

So, as a practical matter, I am a sinner, quite mired in sin as JESUS defined it, because HE added thought crimes to the list. The Mosaic Law is much easier to follow because it is MOSTLY based on external actions. The two parts where the Mosaic Law has thought crimes are in worshipping false gods and in coveting others goods and property and wives and servants. Covetousness is a thought crime. But it's not a thought crime to which I am particularly susceptible. I need very little, and I'm happy about that because I don't have all that much, and if I were like so many women, who pine away in resentment for pretty things they don't have, or men who crave wealth and power, I'd be pretty unhappy. But when I see Hugh Hefner, I'm not coveting his mansion or his money or his cars or status - don't care - I'm coveting the bodies of his "maidservants" (and only for temporary use - he can keep them if he wants them). I don't want anything that Bill Gates or Warren Buffet has.

My sins are very focused and relatively simple: lust of mind, and real violent vengeful anger about people getting killed. I could try to make myself righteous by claiming that killing killers is "justice", and it is, too, under God's law, but I'm willing to destroy whole nations, to drop nukes on cities and unleash hell on many innocents (and justify it by saying "nobody is truly innocent") in order to wipe out my enemies. This is also sinful.

Wrath - bloodyminded "kill them all, let God sort 'em out" wrath - is for me probably a far worse sin than lust. Lust is commonn, garden variety, and I have no excuse for it. It's a moral weakness and I know it. I can ringfence the actions, limit it to the mind, and be very forgiving...and since no harm has been inflicted on others, the internal struggles with lust are the thorn in the flesh. I know God forgives that because I am forgiving.

The black, bloodyminded wrath, though, about people being killed - this really is a far more dangerous thing, because the hate that flows is real, and powerful - I would literally tear out the eyes of the killers and tear the flesh from their body with my bare hands. And the exultatant feeling of sheer power and JUSTICE that flows through my veins when I am in a state of "righteous" berserk black raging wrath feels SO DAMNED GOOD that I know I am mainlining the Devil just like a heroin addict.

The Paris attacks, followed by San Berardino, reminding me of being at World Trade, and of my classmate burning up in the Navy command center in the Pentagon, and remembering Somalia and Iraq...and all of the rest...THIS provokes a murderous wrath that is not a bit righteous. Vengeance is the Lord's...but I want my enemies DEAD - and I want to kill them myself, with fire and disease and gas and sword and wild beasts to tear them limb from limb.

The fury that rises is not a mental anger - I feel my whole body and mind "shift" into a different mode, like that sudden start you get when falling to sleep, and the bloodlust that rises is murderous, black and crimson, and it feels so damned good that I don't want to let go of it. It's the Viking berserker gene wanting to run amok. And that's pagan bloodthirstiness, not Christian.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-12-10   10:03:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Fred Mertz (#55)

Like a little girl?

Yep. I'm be skipping like a little girl to and from the polling station, and I'll fart some unicorns too, just for you.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-12-10   10:03:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: A K A Stone (#56)

Romney changed his position just like Trump.

Why is Romney but not Trump?

Because Romney didn't change his position "just like" Trump. He changed it very differently from Trump.

Trump changed his mind at a certain point in the early 2000s. And once he changed his mind, he very consistently stated his pro-life position, consistently stated why, and spoke and acted, and still speaks and acts, like a man who means it.

I used to be pro-choice myself. I changed my mind. When I was pro-choice, it was for liberty reasons. I was never enthusiastic about it.

Romney gave forcibly pro-choice speeches to become governor of Massachussetts. And then, when in power, he made abortion funding part of Romneycare and made sure there was no opt-out. He was a committed pro- abort, not a reluctant one.

Then, to get the GOP nomination, he started talking just like Poppy Bush. He was - ahem - "pro-life".

The pro-lifers did not believe him, and so they put together a pledge for all of the Republican candidates, the "pro-life pledge". The SPECIFIC key to it was that the candidate would pledge to fill Supreme Court slots with pro-life judges.

All of the Republican candidates signed it...except Romney.

So, that's what it is: Romney did not change his position to pro-life. Romney is still pro-choice. He's a liar who shifted his position to get the GOP nomination, just like H.W. Bush was a liar. He was determined NOT to bind himself in any way regarding the matter, because he never had the slightest intention of putting anybody but pro-business Souters and O'Connors on the Court.

Trump's change was sincere, and he's been consistent with it all along. He actually changed his mind.

I can tell the difference between men like Trump and me, who used to think one thing, for a reason, and then changed our minds and think the other way. We have reasons, and that reasoning shines through. And I can tell when somebody is pissing up my leg and calling it rain. That's Romney.

Fighting over Romney's sincerity isn't going to get us anywhere, though. To me, he's an oily lying babykiller who could have been President, had he been willing to sign a simple pledge. But he is SO COMMITTED to his pro- choice position and intentions, that he would not sign a contract on the pro-life matter EVEN IF it meant the Presidency. Which, as it turns out, it did. The conservative religious who stayed home caused Romney's loss. Because I was voted by hatred and vengeance - directed at Democrats - I went and compromised myself by voting for Romney...and he lost anyway...which means that I traded my dignity for a mess of deceitful Mormon pottage.

Never again.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-12-10   10:14:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: Vicomte13 (#59)

Ok fair enough. Just wondered what your reasoning was.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-12-10   10:19:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Vicomte13 (#57)

That's pretty honest. and I thought MY sins were bad - phew! (still, most of it goes as far as taunting a little brother or desiring to eat a lot. Gluttony and Mischevious are my two vices)

Maybe you should just eat more foods with proestrogen and take on feminine activities. That solves the lust and rage problem.

ebonytwix  posted on  2015-12-10   13:25:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: ebonytwix (#61)

Maybe you should just eat more foods with proestrogen and take on feminine activities. That solves the lust and rage problem.

No, it would just make me fat and horny.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-12-10   13:34:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: Vicomte13 (#62)

Lol. Women do experience lower lusts than men though.

ebonytwix  posted on  2015-12-10   15:39:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: Vicomte13 (#57)

I've had sanctimonious pricks to tell me that all I need to do to stop lusting is to ask God.

Asking God doesn't work when you're young and full of hormones. It comes with the territory. You're only responsible for what you do about it.

rlk  posted on  2015-12-10   22:50:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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