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Title: Koran proves Jesus is GOD
Source: YouTube
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Published: Dec 7, 2015
Author: ArticleTen
Post Date: 2015-12-07 08:18:21 by BobCeleste
Keywords: ACP
Views: 1321
Comments: 37

Folks, we need to know if this is true or not, please, if you know anyone that is fluent in Arabic, ask them to listen to this and either verify it or let us know it is fabricated.

Folks this is important, unlike the press and the US G0vt, there are folks ready to eliminate and protect against the threat.

It is better to try evangelizing first and this video, if true, this video, may just be the evangelizing tool we have been looking for.


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#1. To: BobCeleste (#0)

The Quran says that Jesus was born of a virgin, and was the purest prophet of God. It says that on judgment day, Jesus will judge the living and the dead. Jesus is central to Islamic eschatology, because he is the "true teacher" and final judge, the "Purest Prophet".

But he is a prophet in Islam. not God. The Quran says that Christians err when they say that God has a son, or that there is a spirit (the Holy Spirit) that stands alongside God. God is God Alone. He sent his Purest Prophet, the Teacher, through a virgin birth to teach the true way. That was Jesus. The Christians followed Jesus, which was good - the Quran says that the Christians are closest to Muslims. But the Christians erred by adding things to the message and mistaking Jesus' authority from God for divinity.

This is why "The Book", the Jewish and Christian Scriptures, are holy to Islam, but also treacherous, because the Jews and Christians added error and twisted meanings. That is why God sent Mohammed, who is neither the PUREST nor the GREATEST Prophet: the Quran makes it clear that Jesus, the Anointed One, was the Purest and Greatest prophet, the teacher, the final judge. Mohammed is the FINAL Prophet, who straightened out the kinks in the path by correcting the errors that Christians and Jews had added into the text.

Think of the way that some Protestants think of the Catholic Church...it was Holy once, but then it fell under the influence of the Empire and lost its way and introduced error. The Christians say that the Jews added things to what God revealed.

The Quran repeats what Christians say about the Jews - that they added and twisted things, and says that same things of the Christians.

There is a great deal in the Quran that is sympathetic to Christians in particular. And the purity laws of Islam are very similar to those of the Torah. The Muslims believe themselves to be the heirs of the religion of Abraham, through Ishmael, and that theirs is the authentic religion of Abraham. They think that the Jews added a lot of self-aggrandizing cultural material that didn't come from God.

They believe that the Christians came back to God from the Jews' drift, because the Christians correctly grasped (and grasp) that Jesus was holy, that his message was true, and that he was sent by God and will be the final judge.

Where the Christians screwed up, according to Islam, is in elevating Jesus from his status as the highest and holiest human - the Prophet Issa - to being a demigod, like the pagan Greeks and Romans and their demigod heroes.

Theologically, that is what Islam rejects about Christianity.

Culture, of course, has drifted far from theology. The Quran admonishes Muslims to be peaceful with Christians who are peaceful with them.

Of course history has turned out differently. The same can be said of the Christians and Jews, who have not followed the prescriptions of their God in their Scriptures either.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-12-07   8:50:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Vicomte13 (#1)

Did you listen to the video?

What I need to know is, is he correct in his imterpretation?

BobCeleste  posted on  2015-12-07   10:10:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: BobCeleste (#2) (Edited)

Did you listen to the video?

What I need to know is, is he correct in his imterpretation?

I have now had a chance to listen to the video. It is interesting, so I took what he had to say and went and read the portions of the Koran he mentioned.

Now, I do not speak Arabic. The Koran I use is the Yusuf Ali translation of 1934 which, among Koranic translations into English, is considered the "gold standard" by scholars of Islam, the "KJV" of the Koran.

So we have to take that for what it is worth.

To get what is being said in the text read in context, we do need to read more of the Sura.

The man in the video said that the name of this chapter is "The Family of Mariam". It is actually called "The Family of Imran", not "The Family of Mariam."

To understand this Sura, we should look at a representative sample of where it begins and how it moves along, because it gets to Mary and Jesus.

It starts with three letters: A.L,M. This probably means something (like IHS means something to Christians), but what, the translation does not say.

Starting at verse 2, through 7, we have:

"Allah! There is no god but He - the Living, the Self-Subsisting. Eternal. It is He who sent down to thee (step by step), in truth, the Book, confirming what went before it; And he sent down the Law of Moses and the Gospel of Jesus before this, as a guide to mankind, and he sent down the Criterion of judgment between right and wrong.

Then those who reject faith in the signs of God (Allah) will suffer the severest penalty, and God is exalted in might, lord of retribution. From God, verily, nothing is hidden on earth or in the heavens.

He it is who shapes you in the wombs as He pleases, there is no god but He, the Exalted in Might, the Wise.

He is it who has sent down to thee the Book. In it are verses basic and fundamental (of established meaning). They are the foundation of the Book. Others are allegorical. But those in whose hearts is perversity follow the part thereof that is allegorical, seeking discord and searching for its hidden meanings.

But no one knows its hidden meanings except God. And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say 'We believe in the Book, the whole of it is from our Lord', and none will grasp the Message except men of understanding."

So, this is the general tone of this section of the Quran.

Before we move on, we need to pause and define what "Imran" is.

"Imran" is the Arab name for the father of Mary. So, the title of this chapter is "The Family of the Father of Mary."

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-12-07   21:54:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Vicomte13 (#3) (Edited)

The Koran I use is the Yusuf Ali translation of 1934

WOW, my ass is indiscriminate with any version of the Quran I use. The page sheets go down the toilet after a rub or two from a daily bowel movement and then a flush, thereafter. It just works!

buckeroo  posted on  2015-12-07   22:03:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: buckeroo (#4)

As is your right. I want to understand what these people think and believe, for the same reason that I knew the capacity of all of the Soviet missile systems.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-12-07   22:05:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#6. To: Vicomte13 (#5)

I want to understand what these people think and believe ..

Psst ... think SHARIA LAW. Enough said. What it means is THEY have the blessing to behead you.

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