Title: Koran proves Jesus is GOD Source:
YouTube URL Source:[None] Published:Dec 7, 2015 Author:ArticleTen Post Date:2015-12-07 08:18:21 by BobCeleste Keywords:ACP Views:1341 Comments:37
Folks, we need to know if this is true or not, please, if you know anyone that is fluent in Arabic, ask them to listen to this and either verify it or let us know it is fabricated.
Folks this is important, unlike the press and the US G0vt, there are folks ready to eliminate and protect against the threat.
It is better to try evangelizing first and this video, if true, this video, may just be the evangelizing tool we have been looking for.
The Quran says that Jesus was born of a virgin, and was the purest prophet of God. It says that on judgment day, Jesus will judge the living and the dead. Jesus is central to Islamic eschatology, because he is the "true teacher" and final judge, the "Purest Prophet".
But he is a prophet in Islam. not God. The Quran says that Christians err when they say that God has a son, or that there is a spirit (the Holy Spirit) that stands alongside God. God is God Alone. He sent his Purest Prophet, the Teacher, through a virgin birth to teach the true way. That was Jesus. The Christians followed Jesus, which was good - the Quran says that the Christians are closest to Muslims. But the Christians erred by adding things to the message and mistaking Jesus' authority from God for divinity.
This is why "The Book", the Jewish and Christian Scriptures, are holy to Islam, but also treacherous, because the Jews and Christians added error and twisted meanings. That is why God sent Mohammed, who is neither the PUREST nor the GREATEST Prophet: the Quran makes it clear that Jesus, the Anointed One, was the Purest and Greatest prophet, the teacher, the final judge. Mohammed is the FINAL Prophet, who straightened out the kinks in the path by correcting the errors that Christians and Jews had added into the text.
Think of the way that some Protestants think of the Catholic Church...it was Holy once, but then it fell under the influence of the Empire and lost its way and introduced error. The Christians say that the Jews added things to what God revealed.
The Quran repeats what Christians say about the Jews - that they added and twisted things, and says that same things of the Christians.
There is a great deal in the Quran that is sympathetic to Christians in particular. And the purity laws of Islam are very similar to those of the Torah. The Muslims believe themselves to be the heirs of the religion of Abraham, through Ishmael, and that theirs is the authentic religion of Abraham. They think that the Jews added a lot of self-aggrandizing cultural material that didn't come from God.
They believe that the Christians came back to God from the Jews' drift, because the Christians correctly grasped (and grasp) that Jesus was holy, that his message was true, and that he was sent by God and will be the final judge.
Where the Christians screwed up, according to Islam, is in elevating Jesus from his status as the highest and holiest human - the Prophet Issa - to being a demigod, like the pagan Greeks and Romans and their demigod heroes.
Theologically, that is what Islam rejects about Christianity.
Culture, of course, has drifted far from theology. The Quran admonishes Muslims to be peaceful with Christians who are peaceful with them.
Of course history has turned out differently. The same can be said of the Christians and Jews, who have not followed the prescriptions of their God in their Scriptures either.
So, Bob, to return to this film - and recalling that you are specifically looking to evangelize Muslims using the Quran - let's continue to advance through it.
We saw that the speaker said that the name of Sura (Chapter, or Book) III is "Family of Mary", but it is in fact "Family of Imran", with Imran being the Arabic name for Mary's father. So yes, it does speak of Mary's family, but it isn't CALLED "Family of Mary". It is a little detail like that that will cause minds that are suspicious to slam shut.
Likewise, if you talk to Muslims for the purpose of evangelization, you cannot take the strident approach of people who just hate them and who are not trying to persuade them of anything, that "Allah" is not "God". In Arabic, "Allah" is the word "God". It's the same word in Hebrew: Eloah, and we always translate that as God. In the First Century Christian Syriac Peshitta, a translation of the Old and New Testaments into Aramaic (many Syriac Christians believe that the New Testament IS the Peshitta, and that the Greek versions are translated from IT) the word "God" appears many times - as in John "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the word was God." The word "God" in Aramaic Christian Scriptures is "Alah".
So, a Christian can say that the Islamic notion of God is different from the Christian, and that the God of the Quran doesn't say things the way the Christian God does. But one cannot say that Allah is not God. The word Allah IS the word "God". Arab Christians pray to Allah the Father, Allah the Son and Allah the Holy Spirit.
Among Christians it is well to say that Allah is a moon god, or whatever, but that is predestined to fail if that is the way evangelization of Muslims is done, in large part because it's offensive, stupid, devoid of fact and not true, and no Muslim will recognize anything about his religion in that. The missionary bringing that message may not be stoned, but he certainly is going to get nowhere. It would be like a secular trying to persuade Christians to leave the Church by proclaiming "The 'Virgin' Mary was a whore!" Christian minds slam shut at such obnoxiousness. No evangelization is done.
So, "Allah" may behave differently from Allah the Father and Allah the Son and Allah the Holy Spirit, BUT the WORD ITSELF means GOD, generically: God, the One True God. The Muslim concepts of who that God IS differ, but if one is going to use the Quran itself to evangelize Muslims, one has to respect them and their language. One can say, in English "God" instead of "Allah" - that is not offensive to Muslims, for Muslims themselves will tell you that "Allah" means "God".
Bombthrowers who just want to hate Muslims are already seething at me, but you said you wanted to use the Koran to evangelize, not bait. So that's a starting point.
Now let's get farther into this Sura III. The speaker in the film said that the Koran speaks of Mary's Immaculate Conception, sinless life and bodily ascension into Heaven. If it did, then the Quran's vision of Mary would be the same as traditional Catholic belief. Here in this Sura we will not find an immaculate conception. We will find that it ends with Jesus and does not speak of Mary's death, so we cannot yet draw any conclusions about her Assumption, at least not from this Sura. We do find that God keeps Mary in purity, which certainly implies sinlessness.
Judge for yourself. Remember that "Imran" is the father of Mary.
Sura III, Section 4, Verses 33-37 God did choose Adam and Noah, the family of Abraham, and the family of Imran above all people.
Behold! A woman of Imran said : "O my Lord! I do dedicate unto Thee what is in my womb for Thy special service, so accept this of me, for Thou hearest and knowest all things."
When she was delivered, she said: "O my Lord! Behold! I am delivered of a female child, I" And God knew best what she brought forth. "And nowise is the male like the female. I have named her Mary, and I commend her and her offspring to Thy protection from the Evil One, the Rejected."
Right graciously did her Lord accept her. He made her grow in purity and beauty. To the care of Zakariya* was she assigned. Every time that he entered her chamber to see her, he found her supplied with sustenance. He said "O Mary! Whence (comes) this to you?" She said "From God, for God provides sustenance to whom he pleases, without measure."
*Zakariya is Zecharariah, father of John the Baptist (who is called "Yahya" in Arabic).
So, there you have it. The Quran has remarkable information about Mary. This information somewhat parallels an early orthodox Christian writing called The Protoevangelium of James.
There is no particular inference in it of an immaculate conception, but there certainly is the dedication to God while in the womb, and the fact that God raises Mary up in purity, protected from the Evil One.
So, when it comes to the film's claim: Immaculate Conception? No. Sinlessness - at least up to this point in the narrative - Yes. Assumption of the Virgin? We don't know yet.
As I said, the film does contain some strong and interesting points. Mary is indeed the only woman mentioned by name in the Quran, and she clearly has divine protection. In fact, the text we just read traces the line of blessedness down from Noah and Abraham to Imran, father of Mary, whose family is most blessed of all.
If the film were reworked slightly, to remove the overreach "Family of Mary" name, which is not correct, and the Immaculate Conception claim (which nobody cares about but Catholics anyway - you don't, for instance) then so far it is good.
The next three versus are the story of the annunciation to Zechariah of the birth of John (the Baptist). We will skip over these three to get back to Mary in our next communication.
There is a book at the site called Reaching Muslims for Christ.
The only weakness in the excerpt is the handling of The Name, YHWH.
That is my main contention with Muslim apologists. The Allah of Quran is not identified by The Name.
Again getting into arguments while presenting the Gospel is not wise. The Name above all other names is what presenting the Gospel. And of course that name is Jesus Christ.
Allah is Arabic "Eloah", which is Hebrew. El/Eloah/Elohiym are three forms of the same word in Hebrew. It's the first name "God" in the Scriptures.
There's that passage in Exodus where God tells Moses that Abraham only knew him by the name "El Elyon" - God Most High - not YHWH. Since Islam claims to be the religion of Ishmael - the worship of the God of Abraham received from Abraham's son, it follows logically that the Ishmaelites would have the name "Eloah", but not the name "YHWH".
And since Jesus is the purest prophet and the final judge in the Quran, the Muslims are already highly disposed towards Jesus. In this sense they are very different from the Jews of the First Century (or, sotto voce, today). Jews then rejected Jesus as a false prophet and blasphemer, who did his miracles by the power of Satan. Jews today don't go that far. They simply say he was a deluded rabbi who taught the teachings of Hillel, but who became deranged into believing himself divine. So, Jesus is not a prophet to Jews - he is still a man who was in error. Modern Jews - in America, when speaking to Christians anyway - think that Jesus was a nice man who taught good things, but who ultimately was touched in the head. Not a prophet.
To Muslims, Jesus is the holiest of all the prophets, and the final judge of humanity. So Muslims do not have nearly as far to go as Jews. Muslims have to be persuaded that Jesus was God's son, and not MERELY a prophet. This is hard, but it starts out, at least on the basis of a revered prophet being MORE than merely a prophet. For the Jews, they have to take a madman blasphemer and change their mind, decide they're no longer really the Chosen People, and worship a man as God. That's a much wider chasm.
Of course, few Muslims convert, because worshipping a man as God, a "second God" is as horrifying to the Muslim monotheistic mind as it is to the Jewish. In this, the Jews and Muslims are close and the the Christians are the odd men out. In universalism and belief in the holiness of Jesus, Muslims and Christians are close and the Jews are the odd men out.
No they don't. They think that the Christians mangled what Jesus said and changed it when they wrote it down in the Christian scriptures.
They remade him from what the Gospels and Epistles say, but they think that their Quran was revealed by God directly, and is true, and that the Christians remade him in what they wrote down and chose to believe.
It's a perfectly parallel argument to the one you have made. And the radicals on their side have the same vitriol that you do too. But their Koran and traditions tell them to attack, so we have to deal with them when they do.
Is the Koran "holy"? Not to me it isn't. "Holy" means "set apart". Certainly it's holy to the Muslims, and we need to remember that when dealing with them - at least if we want to have any sort of productive dialogue with them over things that matter to us (such as oil, shipping lanes, financial investments, sales of goods and services, votes in international bodies for various agreements, relief efforts in time of disaster, and military alliance.
Turkey is a Muslim nation and a member of NATO. We're pledged to go to war with Russia, or anybody else, if need be, to protect Turkish territorial integrity. So going into an alliance meeting with Turkey and using a Koran as a footrest would be self-defeating. They think it's holy, and we need to remember that and be circumspect about it when dealing with them.
Paul did not go into the Athenian forum and start pissing on the statues of the gods. He even called the shrine to the Unknown God a memorial of the God of Jesus. Paul kept his head and maintained decorum in the presence of religious practices with which he did not agree.
Now, there are parts of the Quran that present things that are indeed holy. For example, that there is one God, creator of heaven and earth. That is true, and a holy fact. That Mary is the virgin mother of Jesus is also a true and holy fact.
Even the forbidden fruit was pleasant to look at and good to eat. If it looked, smelled and tasted like a turd, Eve would never have taken it in the first place, and she wouldn't have offered it to Adam.
The errors of the Koran are fundamental. But to be able to address them with Muslims you have to know what they are. And to know what they are, you have to read it. That's kinda basic.
