Title: Koran proves Jesus is GOD Source:
YouTube URL Source:[None] Published:Dec 7, 2015 Author:ArticleTen Post Date:2015-12-07 08:18:21 by BobCeleste Keywords:ACP Views:1377 Comments:37
Folks, we need to know if this is true or not, please, if you know anyone that is fluent in Arabic, ask them to listen to this and either verify it or let us know it is fabricated.
Folks this is important, unlike the press and the US G0vt, there are folks ready to eliminate and protect against the threat.
It is better to try evangelizing first and this video, if true, this video, may just be the evangelizing tool we have been looking for.
The Quran says that Jesus was born of a virgin, and was the purest prophet of God. It says that on judgment day, Jesus will judge the living and the dead. Jesus is central to Islamic eschatology, because he is the "true teacher" and final judge, the "Purest Prophet".
But he is a prophet in Islam. not God. The Quran says that Christians err when they say that God has a son, or that there is a spirit (the Holy Spirit) that stands alongside God. God is God Alone. He sent his Purest Prophet, the Teacher, through a virgin birth to teach the true way. That was Jesus. The Christians followed Jesus, which was good - the Quran says that the Christians are closest to Muslims. But the Christians erred by adding things to the message and mistaking Jesus' authority from God for divinity.
This is why "The Book", the Jewish and Christian Scriptures, are holy to Islam, but also treacherous, because the Jews and Christians added error and twisted meanings. That is why God sent Mohammed, who is neither the PUREST nor the GREATEST Prophet: the Quran makes it clear that Jesus, the Anointed One, was the Purest and Greatest prophet, the teacher, the final judge. Mohammed is the FINAL Prophet, who straightened out the kinks in the path by correcting the errors that Christians and Jews had added into the text.
Think of the way that some Protestants think of the Catholic Church...it was Holy once, but then it fell under the influence of the Empire and lost its way and introduced error. The Christians say that the Jews added things to what God revealed.
The Quran repeats what Christians say about the Jews - that they added and twisted things, and says that same things of the Christians.
There is a great deal in the Quran that is sympathetic to Christians in particular. And the purity laws of Islam are very similar to those of the Torah. The Muslims believe themselves to be the heirs of the religion of Abraham, through Ishmael, and that theirs is the authentic religion of Abraham. They think that the Jews added a lot of self-aggrandizing cultural material that didn't come from God.
They believe that the Christians came back to God from the Jews' drift, because the Christians correctly grasped (and grasp) that Jesus was holy, that his message was true, and that he was sent by God and will be the final judge.
Where the Christians screwed up, according to Islam, is in elevating Jesus from his status as the highest and holiest human - the Prophet Issa - to being a demigod, like the pagan Greeks and Romans and their demigod heroes.
Theologically, that is what Islam rejects about Christianity.
Culture, of course, has drifted far from theology. The Quran admonishes Muslims to be peaceful with Christians who are peaceful with them.
Of course history has turned out differently. The same can be said of the Christians and Jews, who have not followed the prescriptions of their God in their Scriptures either.
the Quran says that the Christians are closest to Muslims
Just like when you talk about the Bible it seems to me that you don't know what you are talking about. With you everything has to be verified. In my view you get so much wrong.
Where did you find that bullcrap at? You didn't you made it up. Here is what that evil Koran actually says.
Qur’an (5:51) Don’t take Jews or Christians for friends. If you do, then Allah will consider you to be one of them.
Qur’an (2:65-66) Christians and Jews must believe what Allah has revealed to Muhammad or Allah will disfigure their faces or turn them into apes, as he did the Sabbath-breakers.
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Qur’an (2:65-66) Christians and Jews must believe what Allah has revealed to Muhammad or Allah will disfigure their faces or turn them into apes, as he did the Sabbath-breakers.
Yeah not getting a warm and fuzzy from the above. I did grow some facial hair during no shave November but did not turn into an ape:)
But I agree with both you and Vic.
We have two Muhammads and two Qur'ans.
One of tolerance in Mecca and one which developed into non tolerance and violence.
It's interesting how Muhammad tried to evangelize very much like the apostles in Mecca. Seems the message did not catch on and he had to shift approach.
It is easy to see why he failed at peaceful evangelism. Islam lacks the central message of the Christian Gospel...the Atonement of sins through the shed Blood of Christ and the Resurrection.
I said you are both correct. Probably the most balanced internet piece is below:
It's interesting as well that the early Muslim scholars applied the Mecca Qur'an for Muslims who are not living in Muslim lands and the Medina Qur'an for Muslim majority rule.
Context is everything. If one starts from a position of hatred, one will find everything hateful.
This "apes" business, in context, is not about Christians and Jews. It's about Sabbath breakers under the Torah.
Here is the FULL context of Sura 2, Chapter 8.
"Those who believe And those who follow the Jewish [Scriptures]
And the Christians and the Sabians, And who believe in God And the Last Day And work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.
And remember We took your covenant and we raised above you (the) Mount (Sinai). "Hold firmly to what We have given you, and bring to remembrance what is therein. Perchance ye may fear God."
But ye turned back thereafter. Had it not been for the grace and mercy of God to you, ye had surely been among the lost.
And well ye knew those amongst you who transgressed in the matter of the Sabbath, We said to them "Be ye apes, despised and rejected."
So we made it an example to their own time, and to their posterity, and a lesson to those who fear God.
And remember Moses said to his people: "God commands that ye sacrifice a heifer," They said "Makest thou a laughingstock of us?" He said "God save me from being an ignoramus!"
They said "Beseech on our behalf thy Lord to make plain to us what (heifer) it is!" He said "He says: the heifer should be neither too old nor too young, but of middling age. Now do what ye are commanded!"
They said "Beseech on our behalf the Lord to make plain to us her color." He said: "He says a fawn-colored heifer, pure and rich in tone, the admiration of beholders!"
They said: Beseech on our behalf thy Lord to make plain to us what she is; to us all heifers alike. We wish indeed for guidance if God wills.
He said "He says: a heifer not trained to till the soil or water the fields; sound and without blemish." They said: "Now hast thou brought the truth." Then they offered her in sacrifice, but not with good will. _____
So, that is what this text is all about. Contrary to the assertions so strenuously made above, the Koran does not say here that Allah says he will turn Christians and Jews into apes. The passage of the Koran refers to God dealing with Sabbath breaking Jews.
Moreover, the language is metaphorical. "Be ye apes, despised and rejected" for breaking the Sabbath. This is YHWH talking to Jews under the Mosaic covenant. That becomes clearer and clearer as one reads on. Here, the Quran is dwelling in the Torah, in the sacrifice of the red heifer, and giving details about the mindset, the attitude of the Hebrews vis a vis Moses and God. They mock and cavil. Finally they do accept the truth and do it, for a time, but without goodwill.
The writer her is getting at something fundamental: the attitude of men towards God in light of the commandments. Nothing in this passage speaks of having to be a Muslim or being turned into an ape.
Nor does it say that God actually turned men into chimpanzee. It would be clearer had the translator given us "Be ye as apes, rejected and despised", because that is obviously the meaning. Those who ignored the Sabbath were rejected and despised.
There are plenty of things to worry about in the Koran, but it won't do take a line here and a line there out of context, and make it say what it doesn't say in context, any better than it does to do that with the Bible.
In fact, when people do that, in religious or political arguments, it makes them look really weak. It's like that NBC reporter who stitched together a bunch of Trump responses and broadcast something that made Trump sound like he was going to round up the Muslims and put them in concentration camps. Once the context was seen, the bad faith effort of the reporter was revealed. And one could then see how desperate that the reporter was to make up something that was not there, because what Trump was actually saying was rough, but not crazy.
When people twist words and take a line here, a line there, once it is seen, it looks pretty desperate and pathetic. Have they no better arguments than THAT?
You're not defending Christianity by lying. You're not attacking the Koran by raging about things it doesn't say. You're disgracing yourself by coming unhinged. It would be best for you to calm down and return to reason.
You're not satanic. You're just regularly wrong. You get scripture wrong then when you are corrected you ignore it.
For example don't work don't eat.
Once I spent every weeknight and most of a weekend going through the whole Bible for you - the KJV at your request. I lined up for you every passage about treatment of the poor. I even used Strong's, to make sure that I captured EVERY instance of Scripture discussing poverty. I put a lot of effort into that.
You disregarded it. You ignored all of that volume of Scripture as if it were nothing. You did not miss a beat in repeating your dogma, and then you said that I don't demonstrate my points with Scripture. But I did.
I'm not going to get a fair hearing in your court. I know that from experience.
On this thread, Bob Celeste posted a question. Nobody attempted to answer it. I started to, using the text from the Koran that he was asking about. And you came charging to the attack, as usual.
I avoid communicating with you because I know the exchange will be hostile and sterile.
Here, on this thread, if you've decided the Koran is toilet paper, that's fine. But it doesn't answer Bob Celeste's question. I'm going to continue to answer his question.
