LF: Trump says the US can beat ISIS terrorists – but 'you have to take out their families'

Title: Trump says the US can beat ISIS terrorists – but 'you have to take out their families'
Source: Daily Mail Online
URL Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art ... -ISIS-terrorists-families.html
Published: Dec 2, 2015
Author: Nikki Schwab, U.s. Political Reporter Fo
Post Date: 2015-12-02 18:23:05 by cranky
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Views: 11862
Comments: 72

Donald Trump said he would 'knock the hell out of ISIS' and he has a ruthless plan to do so.

'You have to take out their families,' The Donald said this morning on Fox and Friends. 'When you get these terrorists you have to take out their families.'

Trump's reasoning was that the fighters 'care about their lives, don't kid yourselves,' he continued.

The billionaire's comments fit neatly in with other proclamations he's made on how to take out the growing terrorist group including 'bomb[ing] the hell out of them' and 'attack[ing] the oil.'

Donald Trump said he would 'knock the hell out of ISIS' by going after relatives of the terrorist fighters because ISIS members 'care about their [family members'] lives'

Donald Trump also said he would try to prevent civilian deaths, but it's a difficult prospect because ISIS fighters are 'using them as shields'

'I would knock the hell out of ISIS,' Trump said this morning to host Brian Kilmeade. 'I would hit them, Brian, so hard, like they've never been hit before.'

While taking out ISIS members and their families, Trump said he would try his 'absolute best' to avoid civilian casualties in ISIS strongholds in Syria and Iraq.

'One of the problems that we have and one of the reasons we're so ineffective is they are using them as shields,' Trump said of civilians. 'It's a horrible thing, but we're fighting a very politically correct war.'

The GOP frontrunner was critical of President Obama's ISIS strategy saying the president was sending too few troops and revealing his hand a little too much.

'Every time he sends troops over even if it's a small number ... he announced 50 last week, he has a press conference to inform everybody he's sending troops and it's like they have a target on their back,' Trump said.

'If you do your job, do your job,' Trump continued. 'Don't talk about it – too much talk.'

Donald Trump help up a Breitbart News article headlined, 'Trump 100% Vindicated: CBS Reports ‘Swarm’ On Rooftops Celebrating 9/11' during a Periscope Q&A this afternoon <

Trump also again defended his comments about American Muslims celebrating 9/11 during a Q&A he hosted on the Twitter-app Periscope this afternoon.

The billionaire held up a print-out of an article by Breitbart News headlined, 'Trump 100% Vindicated: CBS Reports ‘Swarm’ On Rooftops Celebrating 9/11.'

'I knew I saw it. I heard about it. Hundreds of people have called in telling me I was right,' Trump said. 'They live in New Jersey.'

The Breitbart article pointed to a report coming out of the local CBS News affiliate in New York in which reporter Pablo Guzmán talked about a New Jersey apartment building 'swarming with suspects – suspects who I’m told were cheering on the roof when they saw the planes slam into the Trade Center.'

'Police were called to the building by neighbors and found eight men celebrating, six of them tenants in the building,' Guzmán continued.

The Breitbart article made a lot of the 'swarming' claim, suggesting that this means that Trump is vindicated.

Breitbart writer John Nolte wrote, 'The fact that a certain number were brought into custody does not change the fact that there was a “swarm."'

CBS, putting out its own story, pointed to the clip and said it only raises more questions.

For one, there's no video footage of any 'swarms' celebrating the destruction of the Twin Towers, which has been central in Trump's story.

Guzmán, the original reporter, eventually took to Twitter to straighten things out.

Guzmán said his source was a New Jersey and also a Port Authority police officer and 'they were told eight people seen.'

'Far from thousands,' Guzmán said, which is another aspect of the Trump claim. 'Still it disturbed folks.'

The difficult thing with Trump is this strategy is not wrong but his delivery is callous and he portrays america as mad. He fails to realise that while his remarks are for local consumption he is reported all over the world

Trump has also mixed reports of the palestinians celebrating 9/11 in his mind with local reports, yes, thousands celebrated in the muslim world but not in the US.

Noone doubts the possibility of a muslim fifth column in western countries and this is even more evident in Europe, however they have a muslim population of millions concentrated in major cities, a somewhat different situation to what Trump apparently envisages.

It is time for the west to push back against the muslim invasion and this has begun. It can be done with sensitivity by restoring their homelands to places where it is desirable for them to live. The west has responsibility for the present situation. The problems we have are the result of invasion of muslim lands. The reasons, the justifications, are not the issues from the muslim perspective

And all of his opponents in the Establishment, the "Seven Dwarves" up there? They talk smoothly. Of course, that's all any of them has ever done. None of them has a single accomplishment, other than giving speeches.

The world doesn't get to elect the American President. Americans do. If he sounds mad to the world, so what? The US and the EU don't like Putin much, but he still plows forward, effective and powerful, and popular in his own country.

The others with their oily tongues say it like it isn't, are very smooth, and accomplish nothing other than collect a paycheck presiding over defeat and decline.

I'm not longing for a Holy Crusade. Rather, I recognize that the enemy is not "youths", it's youths, and middle aged men and women, fired up by a religion. We are forced to fight because of the religion. And the nature of their religion is such that no Muslim can be trusted: on its own terms the religion calls them to perpetual war - violent physical war, not spiritual war - against everybody else until they conquer the world. And their religion explicitly allows any one of them to lie at any time to anybody who isn't part of their religion, because deceit is a necessary aspect of war.

Those are facts. That is what the Muslim religion IS: forever war against the rest of the world, in the name of God, with deceit always a legitimate tactic.

As long as a man or woman is a Muslim, that man or woman cannot be fully trusted, BECAUSE HIS GOD SAYS HE CAN LIE TO ANYBODY, BECAUSE his God says that he is always at war with non-Muslims. He can be peaceful, when it suits him, and he can suddenly attack, when it suits him. Because Allah gives him the right to kill every non-Muslim who won't submit, and allows him to lie in any manner, when he feels it advantageous.

That's Islam. It's not Christianity or Judaism or Hinduism or, for that matter, Communism, Socialism or even Naziism. The Nazis never pretended that any God gave them the universal right to slaughter any non-Nazis and to lie in treaties and break contracts at will, simply because they were Nazis. But Allah of Islam DOES.

Which means that the problem is ISLAM. Not "religion". Islam is the only religion that combines those particular elements of a license to kill, perpetual war AND a universal individual Muslim license to lie, at any time, to any non-Muslim, because of forever war.

We SEE Muslims doing just this too. Living peacefully for decades, then suddenly cooking off and killing their neighbors, BECAUSE Allah authorizes that and promises them heaven for it.

Christians and Jews and Hindus CAN'T do that. Islam is uniquely evil in this regard.

It is attacking us, and always has been. Now it's worse because immigration and modern weaponry mean Muslims are everywhere, and can do damage everywhere. AND THEY DO.

It's not a call for a Holy Crusade to recognize that the problem is Islam, and that you have to fight Islam AS ISLAM - you have to fight the religion ITSELF, AS a religion, because IT is the source of the psycopathy.

But you can't fight an evil god with no god. You can fend off a Muslim attack, but you cannot rip up the religion by the roots unless you have a comprehensive belief system to replace it in the hearts and minds of the people you have defeated. Otherwise, you sit there, like Soviets (or Americans) in Afghanistan, and they sit there and wait for you to run out of patience, money and blood. And they keep attacking you at the margins, making you bleed. And without your own God as an alternative, their god wins in the end.

So WHEN you finally go fight Islam, you MUST do it with a theology as well as weapons. Otherwise you lose.

Killing off the Christianity in your own ranks means that you have a weak political force facing fanatics. You lose a lot of people that way. Christians recognize that they are fighting Satan when they are fighting Islam. Muzzling the Christians to pretend that the fighting force is just one big secular happy fighting for abstract principles, or against the principle of religion in general, simply means that you're cutting off your own trigger finger.

You can defeat the Muslims in a battle. The only way to END the war is to take the Muslim lands you occupy and CONVERT them to new beliefs. Otherwise, the same old noxious weeds of God- inflamed fanaticism will rise again, as has happened continuously since the mid-600s AD.

You cannot fight troops without troops. And you cannot fight ideas without ideas.

You call the conversion part a "Holy Crusade". I would call it winning the war. But yes, you do have to bring in your religion, your ideology and persuade many of them to leave theirs. I suppose that is a Crusade in a sense: fighting a war against his religion, to replace it with yours.

You don't do that to Hindus, or even to Communists. They can STAY atheist if they want to. But when fighting Islam, you HAVE to replace their god, or you will never stop them. You can beat them in the field 99 times, but they come back for the 100th, and if they lie and catch you by surprise, you lose.

I have to disagree with you on this one. Islam is not really a religion as much as it is a political system of government. Saying "Islam is a religion" is akin to saying "Nazism is a religion".

We are forced to fight because we are being attacked,and they will NOT quit attacking us until they win,or we play "whack a mole" every time one rears his head until there are no more heads to pop up. THEIR rules,not ours. We in the west are willing to make peace with them,but you can NOT make people with people unwilling to make peace with you.

The Nazis never pretended that any God gave them the universal right to slaughter any non-Nazis and to lie in treaties and break contracts at will, simply because they were Nazis.

Of course they did. They were the Master Race. God created them to rule the world. Or so they claimed.

So WHEN you finally go fight Islam, you MUST do it with a theology as well as weapons. Otherwise you lose.

And here is where your train leaves the track. The only way to defeat them is to kill everyone you find until they quit popping up in front of you. You are not going to convert them to Catholicism at the point of a gun any more than they are going to convert you to Islam at the point of a gun.

The purpose of a war is to defeat and kill your enemies,not adopt them as pets to be house trained. All you are suggesting is swapping one insane fantasy for another. WAIT! I take that back. What you are suggesting is Catholic Jihad. You ARE their mirror image and wish to wage Holy War.

Perhaps we have to be more precise Islam is ultimate nazism or religious nazism.

It has the same premise, one race taking precedence over all others, one race to rule the world. To become a member of that race you have to mindlessly repeat a few words and do what you are told.

Nazism was a religion, it was a death cult. It's God was the Furher. Nazism used black garbed soldiers; SS, to enforce its edicts and its thought police; the Gestapo, Islam has its shock troops, black garbed Daesh, and of course, the thought police; the Taliban. The government of both is totalitarian one head; the Furher, or the Caliph.

For Christianity to defeat this it has to understand what true christianity is, the antithesis of this. You are right catholicism will not defeat it because catholicism is the reason it arose in the first place. The secularisation of christianity by the roman state created the vacuum that allowed Islam to arise

I'm not sure that is entirely accurate,but I sure can't argue with the direction it leans.

Nazi's had a huge racial element,and Muslims hump goats and just don't care. Choosing which one is the worse is a lot like trying to decide if you want the gas chamber or the electric chair. IMNSHO,true believers in both serve their highest purpose as food for maggots and worms.

It has the same premise, one race taking precedence over all others, one race to rule the world. To become a member of that race you have to mindlessly repeat a few words and do what you are told.

There is where you are mistaken. Islam really and truly don't give a damn what race you are,as long as you are willing to enslave yourself to their leaders,you are good to go. Hell,they don't even care if you are lying when you claim to convert to Muslim. All they care about is you are willing to say the right words and pretend to be Muslim,and to make yourself their slave. They care nothing about your "soul" (whatever the hell THAT is),they want to own your ass.

I think you could say that about both Nazism and Islam. Islamics do care what race you are, they share a hatred of jews with nazi. Thing is that the presense of these islamics is giving an excuse for the rise of nazism again in Europe and we could see that elsewhere as an ultra right response to muslim behaviour, certainly the attitudes Trump espouses have nazi overtones

Trump espouses the same thing I do. He and I look right down the same sight line. If you want to address Trumpiish attitudes and Trumpism, feel free to address me.

Let's be clear about what the Nazis were and where they came from. They were bitter-ender nationalists whose belief in the mystic nature of the German people was so high, that they could not accept that Germany had been defeated in World War I. They could not accept it, and therefore they could learn nothing from the defeat. Instead of acknowledging that their militarism had laid them low, the Nazis sought a scapegoat: Surely true Germans could never have been defeated...so they must have been BETRAYED! By WHOM? Well, obviously by the Jewish moneylenders, the stealing gypsies, the morally debased homosexuals. The untermenschen had conspired to betray great Germany, but VEE vill make it all right. VEE vill hunt zem out und make zen PAY for vat they have done! The morning vill come ven der world ist mein, Tomorrow belongs to me!

There is nothing of that in Trump and me. Nothing. There's no scapegoat responsible for our decline. No, it has been our own leadership. The problem with illegal immigrants is not that they're Hispanic. It's that they're ILLEGAL. The nation cannot afford to bear them, and won't continue to. Wall. Deportation. The writ of American law, duly passed by Congress, will once again run in America.

This is not Naziism. It's not even a cousin of Naziism. There's no xenophobia here. Trump has been married to foreign women and has international children. It's not a matter of "hating the other", or hating anybody. It's a matter of re-establishing the rule of law concerning the border and employment and social support in America. Legal immigrants have the right to be here, the right to work and, if they fall on hard times, to be supported by the American taxpayer for a time while they get back on their feet. Illegal immigrants don't have the right to even BE here, let alone work and obtain social benefits. We cannot afford it. We have 22 million illegals in America...and a 16% underemployment rate, The American workforce is about 150 million people. What is 16% of 150 million? That's why we have massive underemployment: jobs that Americans and legal immigrants should fill are filled by illegals. Ignoring the problem does not work: the damage is ongoing.

Trump is saying that it's time to stop it, and he has said how he will. It doesn't involve concentration camps and gas chambers. It involves a Border Wall, incentives to leave, and disincentives for Americans to hire. That's all.

Let's just examine outcomes. Yes the illegals have broken the law, need to be dealt with with due process but mass rounding up? How quickly do you round up and try millions? where do you hold them while awaiting trial? In camps, the nazi moved millions out of Germany into camps see any similarity in the approach?

next question, Who is going to do the jobs they are doing now? Americans don't want these jobs otherwise they would have been filled. The wages are too low. There is a whole disconnect in the thinking about this problem and noone denies there is a problem or more than one problem. Some sensible changes to the laws are needed but without a debate that won't happen

You have to get rid of the pull factors and the push factors so these people have an incentive to stay in their own countries. just building a barrier, however necessary, isn't the answer