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Title: That Laquan McDonald Shooting In Chicago: A Counter-Take
Source: VDare
URL Source: http://www.vdare.com/posts/chicago-shooting-a-counter-take
Published: Nov 27, 2015
Author: John Derbyshire
Post Date: 2015-11-27 21:38:05 by Bridge at Remagen
Keywords: None
Views: 16758
Comments: 70

Here (with a hat tip to Countenance Blog) is an interesting counter-take on the 2014 Chicago shooting of Laquan McDonald.

I expect every police officer in the country has been taught a defensive doctrine called the Tueller Drill. The Tueller Drill was developed by Salt Lake City Police Officer Dennis Tueller, who among other things was a firearms instructor for his department.

Dennis trained uniformed police officers who were armed with pistols and who regularly encountered violent suspects armed with impact weapons, particularly knives.

{snip}

That begged the question, then, of what distance became the threshold at which an impact-weapon armed attacker did constitute an imminent threat of death or grave bodily harm such that the officer would be justified in using deadly force. Was that distance 5 feet? 10 feet? 15 feet?

{snip}

After running a great many empirical tests, Dennis found that the distance that an impact-weapon armed attacker could cross from a standing start in 1.5 seconds was not just 5 feet, or 10 feet, or 15 feet. Rather, such an aggressor could consistently cross a distance of 21 feet, a full 7 yards, in the 1.5 seconds it would take the typical officer to draw his holster and engage that aggressor with aimed fire.

Laquan McDonald Video Not Dispositive of Police Criminal Misconduct

Posted by Andrew Branca, LegalInsurrection, November 25, 2015

Here’s a police training video displaying two officers testing this in the gym.

Branca also has a video he describes as

And in case that exercise wasn’t sufficiently convincing on how effective a knife can be against even a prepared and well-armed police officer, here’s a video of an actual confrontation between an aggressive and motivated knife-wielding attacker and several armed police officers, some of whom were armed with long guns. (CAUTION: Not all of these officers survive the encounter, and there’s plenty of blood, so if you’re sensitive to such things you may wish to defer viewing.)

You can watch it here.

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#3. To: Bridge at Remagen (#0)

You can argue that the first shot was justified though many will still argue that the perp was escaping, not menacing directly. You can even argue the second shot might be justified.

It's the last 14 shots when the perp is already on the ground and the knife is not in his hand that will convict this cop. And they won't have to look far to find jurors to convict on the last 14 shots.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-11-28   2:42:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: TooConservative (#3) (Edited)

"You can argue that the first shot was justified ... You can ev even argue the second shot might be justified."

The high-on-PCP-knife-wielding perp posed a threat to the police officers and everyone in the area. If he wasn't stopped and then stabbed some citizen, you'd be demanding that heads roll. The use of force was justified.

"It's the last 14 shots when the perp is already on the ground and the knife is not in his hand that will convict this cop."

Maybe. Someone on this forum said that, once the decision to use deadly force has been made, the number of shots fired is irrelevant.

It looks as though you've decided that two shots are the max for a knife-wielding perp high on PCP. Really? If the perp was killed with t two shots instead of 16 shots, you'd feel better?

(On the video, the cop w walked up and kicked the knife away. If it was not in his hand it was right n next to it.)

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#13. To: misterwhite (#5)

Maybe. Someone on this forum said that, once the decision to use deadly force has been made, the number of shots fired is irrelevant.

You can say that until the jury convicts this cop. Whatever floats your boat.

But he will be convicted and there will be very few who will disagree with that verdict.

To you, there seems to be no such thing as excessive force. Ever. That is an extreme position held by a very tiny minority.

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