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Title: Pentagon backs Turkey’s version of events, blames ‘incursion’ of Russian jet
Source: Washington Times
URL Source: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news ... s-version-accuses-russian-fig/
Published: Nov 24, 2015
Author: Staff
Post Date: 2015-11-24 11:42:22 by cranky
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Views: 6327
Comments: 52

The U.S. military on Tuesday labeled as an “incursion” the Russian fighter jet that was shot down by Turkish aircraft over the Syria-Turkey border.

Army Col. Steve Warren, the top military spokesman in Baghdad, confirmed the Turk’s version of events in saying they repeatedly warned the two Russian SU-24 pilots to back off.

Col. Warren used the word “incursion” to describe the Russian flight, but also said the command was studying radars and other data, such as radio chatter, to make a definite conclusion.

“The incident happened at the border,” Col. Warren said. “These things are not as clean as they are in the movies.”

Russian President Vladimir Putin in recent years has deployed his fighters and bombers close to the air space of NATO countries, such as Turkey and the U.S., as a way to try to rattle the allies.

This is the first time he has paid a price in having one of his jets shot down and perhaps the pilots killed.

Mr. Putin is backing Syrian President Bashar Assad, which is opposed by the Turkish government. Ankara is helping rebels opposed to the regime.

The U.S. sent F-15C air superiority jets to Turkey to help it patrol and defend its air space. Col. Warren said no F-15 was in the vicinity.

This “purely took place between the Russians and the Turks,” he said.

Col. Warren has made no secret of the U.S.’s displeasure with Russian bombing campaign in Syria. They assert Mr. Putin is mostly bombing moderate rebel groups opposed to Mr. Assad and devoting little time to the Islamic State terror army.

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#2. To: cranky (#0)

The US-Mexican Border is not well marked, and we have a lot of military aircraft doing drills out in the desert at night, and a lot of law enforcement and border enforcement helicopters and planes out there that sometimes cross into Mexican airspace.

And if the Mexicans shot down an American fighter plane or a helicopter for crossing a mile into Mexico?

It is absurd to shoot down planes for a minor incursion. Absurd. Russia and Turkey are not at war. The Russians fly close to the border, or across it? Turkey complains diplomatically. But to just close in and shoot?

And if China shoots down a US Navy aircraft that flies over those disputed islands?

We have a naval base at Guantanamo, with a defined ingress and egress, and if an American warship loses its bearings - or its engine - and strays from the channel into Cuban waters, and the Cubans instantly hose off anti-ship missiles to blow it up?

It's absurd. Hairtriggers are absurd. Russia is not attacking Turkey.

So, the US is going to back the Turks? We are out of our minds. Our policy is stupid and our policymakers are morons. And they may very well get us all killed.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-11-24   11:55:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Vicomte13 (#2)

Russia is not attacking Turkey.

No but they are attacking those attacking Assad. Of which we have the Turkey supported Turkmen rebels.

A complex mess there.

redleghunter  posted on  2015-11-24   15:11:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: redleghunter, Vicomte13, CZ82, TooConservative, Paraclete, all (#13) (Edited)

No but they are attacking those attacking Assad. Of which we have the Turkey supported Turkmen rebels.

A complex mess there

Further complicated in that Turkish sovereignty over Hataya (Alexandretta) is historically disputed by Syria.

When the French controlled it ,it was temporarily a republic . They had a controversial referendum .The Turks sent thousands of Turks into the territory ,and their vote swung the referendum in favor of Turkish annexation .

'Official Syrian maps continued to include Hatay as part of the country’s national territory. But at the same time, public discussion of the matter was discouraged, and Syrian governments rarely raised the issue openly for fear of provoking new conflicts with Turkey. The Hatay issue therefore remained largely unknown to the international community, but it didn’t go away.'

As the Syrian crisis evolved, the Hatay issue resurfaced in more ways than one. Its geographical location made it a convenient base for opposition forces and a hub for smuggling weapons and rebel soldiers into Syria. Its demographic composition, mirroring Syria’s ethnic and religious divisions, produced fears of serious spillover effects on the Turkish side of the border. Hatay was also the site of the May 2013 Reyhanl1 bombings, a terrorist incident in which two car bombs killed more than 50 people for which Turkey blamed the Syrian regime.

During the first eighteen months of the Syrian crisis, it was clear that Syria did not wish to raise the issue of Hatay and add to the already-tense Syrian-Turkish relations. For instance, as Syrian refugees poured into Hatay in summer 2011, Syrian media reported that these refugees were in Turkey and not in “occupied Syrian territory.” And when Syria accidentally downed a Turkish jet off the Syrian coast in June 2012, a very clear message was sent to Turkey via Syrian television: the map that displayed the route of the plane was strikingly different from other Syrian maps—it had the border separating Hatay from Syria clearly marked.

New schoolbooks printed by Syrian opposition groups based in Turkey have removed Hatay from maps of Syria (although Syrian rebels forgot to do the same on the map used at a September 2013 press conference in Istanbul, causing a good deal of commotion). In late 2012, there were also allegations that opposition forces had secretly agreed that a post-Assad Syria would recognize Turkish sovereignty over Hatay.

At around that time, Syria’s media silence on Hatay ended. The progovernment press and television began to air reports on “popular voices” demanding the return of Hatay to Syria and to broadcast documentaries on the history of the area that demonstrated the “Syrianness” of its inhabitants.

http://carnegieendowment.org/syriaincrisis/?fa=54340

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