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Title: Putin: Russia will not tolerate such crimes as attack against its Sukhoi-24 plane
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Tass
URL Source: http://tass.ru/en/politics/838825un
Published: Nov 24, 2015
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Post Date: 2015-11-24 08:28:10 by cranky
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According to the president, the attack against Su-24 plane in Syria goes beyond normal struggle against terrorism, and it is "a stab in Russia’s back" delivered by "terrorism accomplices" SOCHI, November 24. /TASS/. Russia's Sukhoi Su-24 attack aircraft was downed with an air-to-air missile launched from a Turkish F-16 fighter, Russian President Vladimir Putin said Monday. The Russian leader stressed that the Russian Su-24 fighter-bomber was posing no threat to Turkey. "Anyway, our pilots and jet posed no threat to the Turkish Republic. This is obvious. They were conducting an operation against ISIL," Putin said at the meeting with King Abdallah II of Jordan. Putin called the attack a crime and stressed that Russia would not tolerate it. According to the president, the Su-24 plane crash in Syria goes beyond normal struggle against terrorism, and it is "a stab in Russia’s back delivered by terrorist accomplices." "Today’s loss is linked with a stab in our back delivered by terrorism accomplices. I can’t characterize otherwise what has happened today," the Russian leader said. The Russian bomber was shot down over Syria by an air-to-air surface fired from a Turkish F-16 plane when the bomber was at an altitude of 6,000 meters at a distance of 1 km from the Turkish bomber." Putin said. The president said the attack on the Russian jet will have tragic consequences to Russia-Turkey ties. Turkey's military attache in Russia has been summoned to the Russian Defense Ministry. 
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#1. To: cranky, redleghunter, tomder55, sneakypete, Pericles (#0)
Turkey's military attache in Russia has been summoned to the Russian Defense Ministry. NATO's members have also summoned the Turks. I would guess they have some very pointed questions and will demand more evidence than just allegations by Turkey. It was unwise to extend NATO membership to Turkey to begin with. As members, if they start a war with Russia by shooting down their warplanes who did not attack anything or anyone in Turkey, NATO will still be obligated by Article Five to follow Turkey into warfare with Russia. I'm thinking NATO will make it clear they are not starting WW III with Russia even if a Russian plane strayed over the Turkish border, considering that no Turks or Turkish territory was attacked. There is a proportionality to any response.
Not exactly. Rather, Turkey can invoke Article V, and that obliges the NATO governments to MEET, to DISCUSS what to do. The invocation of Article V does not act as a declaration of war for all of NATO. It acts as a trumpet to call a meeting. The parties to the treaty are bound, in theory, by the results of the meeting. So, Turkey invokes Article V. NATO chiefs meet. The French say "Are you out of your MINDS?" The Greeks say "The Russians are our friends." The Spanish say: "We have no money for such an adventure", to which the Portuguese add "...nor any interest in it." The British say "We're with the French on this one" (and the Eurosceptics say "See! Europe is going to drag us into some crazy war!" The Canadians say "We're with the British." Obama says "Wake me up when November ends." And like the cheese, the Turks stand alone, the Turks stand alone (Hi Ho the dairy-o, the Turks stand alone...) No war.
As with Russia summoning Turkey's military attache, I think NATO summoned the Turks. Not the other way around. I think you are right that the EU won't be interested since Russia did not attack Turks or Turkish territory.
In fact, Turkey attacked Russia, shooting down a Russian plane in Syrian airspace, where it was operating at the invitation of the Syrian government. Turkey has no excuse here whatever. And after the bit about booing the moment of silence for France, and all of the strident Islamism, the Turks should not expect to be given the benefit of the doubt. At the end of the day, they are Muslims, eager to wriggle out from under the sensible secular straightjacket that Ataturk gave them, and slide back down the poopchute into the general Islamic cesspool. They should never be allowed into the EU, and nobody should expect anything good out of them. And they ought to lose the piece of Turkey that is Kurdish, and the piece of Turkey that was Armenia, because they got that land through genocide. Nations that gain land that way should, when they weaken later, suffer the humiliation of the partial dismemberment of their empire, just to rub their faces in the loss. It was very important that the very first piece of the British Empire to be lost in contemporary times was Ireland. It is very important that India left on its own terms.
And the "Turkish" territory in question, was actually part of Syria. In September of 1938, when France and Britain handed over the Sudetenland to Hitler, France also handed this territory (including Antioch of the Bible) over to Turkey.
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest The president said the attack on the Russian jet will have tragic consequences to Russia-Turkey ties.
#3. To: TooConservative (#1)
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NATO will still be obligated by Article Five to follow Turkey into warfare with Russia.
#9. To: Vicomte13 (#3)
So, Turkey invokes Article V. NATO chiefs meet. The French say "Are you out of your MINDS?" The Greeks say "The Russians are our friends." The Spanish say: "We have no money for such an adventure", to which the Portuguese add "...nor any interest in it." The British say "We're with the French on this one" (and the Eurosceptics say "See! Europe is going to drag us into some crazy war!" The Canadians say "We're with the British." Obama says "Wake me up when November ends."
#11. To: TooConservative (#9)
#22. To: Vicomte13 (#11)
Turkey has no excuse here whatever. And after the bit about booing the moment of silence for France, and all of the strident Islamism, the Turks should not expect to be given the benefit of the doubt.
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