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Title: ObamaCareÂ’s imploding even without repeal
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URL Source: http://nypost.com/2015/11/22/obamac ... imploding-even-without-repeal/
Published: Nov 23, 2015
Author: By Post Editorial Board
Post Date: 2015-11-23 09:37:47 by no gnu taxes
Keywords: None
Views: 5186
Comments: 61

It’s looking like ObamaCare won’t survive even if Congress can’t manage to repeal it.

The nation’s largest health insurer, UnitedHealth Group, said last week that it’s losing too much — $425 million — from policies sold on the health exchanges, and may have to pull out by 2017.

The company admits it’s “a potentially huge blow” to the new system: “If a major publicly traded insurer bows out, others may follow and destabilize the entire individual market.”

Game over for ObamaCare?

UnitedHealth CEO Stephen Hemsley seems to imply just that: “We can’t really subsidize a marketplace that doesn’t appear at the moment to be sustaining itself.”

Mind you, UnitedHealth was a huge backer of the 2009 law. One of its top execs, Andrew Slavitt, then joined the administration to run the health exchanges.

What’s going on here? Basically, the long-feared “death spiral”: Not enough young, healthy folks are signing up for these plans, so insurers are losing money despite the hefty federal subsidies for the coverage. They’re raising premiums to even things out — but that drives even more folks away, so that only older, less-healthy customers remain, driving new losses . . .

Looking at the collapse of the ObamaCare “cooperatives” a few weeks back, Betsy McCaughey warned in these pages that the death spiral was under way.

Now here’s America’s biggest insurance provider saying pretty much the same thing. Hemsley cited weak enrollment and high medical costs for those who did sign up.

And the Obama administration itself last month predicted 2016 enrollment would be less than half of what the Congressional Budget Office predicted in March.

Republicans have been tossing around plans to replace ObamaCare from the start. Now it’s time for Democrats to join in — unless they want to get caught looking when the whole thing goes belly-up.

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#2. To: no gnu taxes (#0)

That's part of the plan. It was designed for failure ... an intermediate step at best . The emperor and the Dems have always wanted a universal single payer European type system. They will make the argument that leaving national health care in the hands of the greedy Big Insurance,Big Pharma etc was the big flaw in Obamacare .

tomder55  posted on  2015-11-23   9:43:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: tomder55 (#2)

The emperor and the Dems have always wanted a universal single payer European type system. They will make the argument that leaving national health care in the hands of the greedy Big Insurance,Big Pharma etc was the big flaw in Obamacare .

And they will be right, too.

We need universal Medicare, birth to death, paid for by taxes. That's what we need, and that's what we're going to get, eventually.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-11-23   10:33:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Vicomte13 (#4)

"We need universal Medicare, birth to death, paid for by taxes."

We need Medicaid for the poor. Nothing else.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-11-23   10:59:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: misterwhite (#8)

We need Medicare for everybody, nothing more, nothing less.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-11-23   11:05:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Vicomte13 (#9)

"We need Medicare for everybody, nothing more, nothing less."

Only 40% of Medicare is funded by the government. The rest is funded by payroll deductions and premiums.

You convinced me. Medicare for everyone who can afford it.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-11-23   11:19:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: misterwhite (#12)

Only 40% of Medicare is funded by the government. The rest is funded by payroll deductions and premiums.

You convinced me. Medicare for everyone who can afford it.

Payroll deduction is government. It's a forced tax. If people did not have to pay that tax, they would opt out and the system would collapse.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-11-23   11:29:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Vicomte13 (#15)

"Payroll deduction is government."

No. It's your payroll. The government takes money from you (and your employer) to pay for Medicare.

"If people did not have to pay that tax, they would opt out and the system would collapse."

Correct. They would use that money to buy private insurance, a system I prefer.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-11-23   11:33:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: misterwhite (#17)

No. It's your payroll. The government takes money from you (and your employer) to pay for Medicare.

Fiction.

"Involuntary mandatory payroll deductions" is deceptive political language that is used to allow folks like you to pretend to an alternate reality.

That which money, involuntarily subtracted (on pain of prosecution for non- compliance) and paid over to government, is a TAX.

You can do all of the semantic gymnastics you'd like, but the truth is that your health insurance (I assume that you are over 65) is government-funded social insurance paid for by taxes.

As it should be. But everybody should be covered, not just people over 65.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-11-23   11:40:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Vicomte13 (#18)

funded social insurance paid for by taxes.

As it should be.

What chapter and verse is that found in?

Oh it isn't based on the Bible it is based on your presonal beliefs.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-11-23   11:43:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: A K A Stone (#21)

What chapter and verse is that found in?

Oh it isn't based on the Bible it is based on your presonal beliefs.

HOW to specifically fund social insurance, in the Christian church, is not spelled out.

How God did it in the one state he directly ruled is, extensively, with tithe and distribution.

Of course, they didn't have modern medicine then. Rather, they had God's promise that if the Hebrews in the land of Canaan ate the way God said to, he would not inflict on them the diseases that he inflicted upon Egypt.

(Did you get that part, about GOD (not Satan), inflicting the diseases on Egypt. God sure killed a lot of Egyptians, didn't he? Killed the Hebrews in the desert too.)

You know what, Stone, I'm going to take up your challenge. I'm going to sit down and write out, in full, the answer to every challenge you've made, and nail it all down with Scripture, line by line, directly cited.

You paraphrase, inaccurately, but you demand that I give point cites. Very well. Challenge accepted.

It will probably take me a year to do it all, and the result will be a very long book. I will post that book here, on your site. It will be thorough and exhaustive. And the beauty of then will be that I will only need to reference the page of the "Book for Stone", and on that page will be cite after cite after cite after cite, all point cited, that will answer every challenge you have made.

Until I've finished that, I won't post anywhere on the boards anymore. See you in a year.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-11-23   12:03:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Vicomte13 (#22)

You know what, Stone, I'm going to take up your challenge. I'm going to sit down and write out, in full, the answer to every challenge you've made, and nail it all down with Scripture, line by line, directly cited.

No need to do that. I just point out the stuff I disagree with you on.

If I agree with you on it I don't tel you.

Maybe I should do that so you don't think I disagree with everything you say.

Ok some of my comments to you are a bit rude. But some of the things you say I just disagree with. So don't take it personallh.

Note to self lighten up on Vic he is actually an ok guy, even if I disagree with him and think he is ful of it at times.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-11-23   16:13:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#33. To: A K A Stone (#30)

No need to do that. I just point out the stuff I disagree with you on.

Alright, then, can you give me a list?

If you give me a list of the specific things you want me to answer, I will answer them, point by point, with as much Scripture as you could ever care to see.

I don't make things up.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-11-23 17:37:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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