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Title: ObamaCareÂ’s imploding even without repeal
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URL Source: http://nypost.com/2015/11/22/obamac ... imploding-even-without-repeal/
Published: Nov 23, 2015
Author: By Post Editorial Board
Post Date: 2015-11-23 09:37:47 by no gnu taxes
Keywords: None
Views: 5192
Comments: 61

It’s looking like ObamaCare won’t survive even if Congress can’t manage to repeal it.

The nation’s largest health insurer, UnitedHealth Group, said last week that it’s losing too much — $425 million — from policies sold on the health exchanges, and may have to pull out by 2017.

The company admits it’s “a potentially huge blow” to the new system: “If a major publicly traded insurer bows out, others may follow and destabilize the entire individual market.”

Game over for ObamaCare?

UnitedHealth CEO Stephen Hemsley seems to imply just that: “We can’t really subsidize a marketplace that doesn’t appear at the moment to be sustaining itself.”

Mind you, UnitedHealth was a huge backer of the 2009 law. One of its top execs, Andrew Slavitt, then joined the administration to run the health exchanges.

What’s going on here? Basically, the long-feared “death spiral”: Not enough young, healthy folks are signing up for these plans, so insurers are losing money despite the hefty federal subsidies for the coverage. They’re raising premiums to even things out — but that drives even more folks away, so that only older, less-healthy customers remain, driving new losses . . .

Looking at the collapse of the ObamaCare “cooperatives” a few weeks back, Betsy McCaughey warned in these pages that the death spiral was under way.

Now here’s America’s biggest insurance provider saying pretty much the same thing. Hemsley cited weak enrollment and high medical costs for those who did sign up.

And the Obama administration itself last month predicted 2016 enrollment would be less than half of what the Congressional Budget Office predicted in March.

Republicans have been tossing around plans to replace ObamaCare from the start. Now it’s time for Democrats to join in — unless they want to get caught looking when the whole thing goes belly-up.

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#2. To: no gnu taxes (#0)

That's part of the plan. It was designed for failure ... an intermediate step at best . The emperor and the Dems have always wanted a universal single payer European type system. They will make the argument that leaving national health care in the hands of the greedy Big Insurance,Big Pharma etc was the big flaw in Obamacare .

tomder55  posted on  2015-11-23   9:43:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: tomder55 (#2)

The emperor and the Dems have always wanted a universal single payer European type system. They will make the argument that leaving national health care in the hands of the greedy Big Insurance,Big Pharma etc was the big flaw in Obamacare .

And they will be right, too.

We need universal Medicare, birth to death, paid for by taxes. That's what we need, and that's what we're going to get, eventually.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-11-23   10:33:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Vicomte13 (#4)

And they will be right, too.

We need universal Medicare, birth to death, paid for by taxes. That's what we need, and that's what we're going to get, eventually.

If they are so right about it then why did they use Fabian tactics of gradualism with all their lies about what it would accomplish, passing it in the dead of night during a lame duck session of Congress on Christmas Eve ? Why couldn't they make their case to the American people that a universal top down single payer healthcare system is preferable if it really is so great ?

What your system brings to us is the final control of the individual by the state . The state decides what health care you need and if you are worth the expense. There is no appealing their edict .

tomder55  posted on  2015-11-23   11:13:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: tomder55 (#10)

What your system brings to us is the final control of the individual by the state .

He pretends to be a catholic. But in reality he is like a new world order deceitful Jesuit.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-11-23   11:17:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: A K A Stone (#11)

He pretends to be a catholic. But in reality he is like a new world order deceitful Jesuit.

I pretend nothing.

"Catholic" means universal. I am indeed a member of the Universal Church, and believe that it ought to be universal over all of mankind, for there is neither Greek nor Jew, slave nor free, male nor female: all are one in Christ Jesus.

Jesus left a Church, not a Bible dispensary. The Church is the vehicle by which Christ's message has been carried, and will continue to be carried, throughout the world.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-11-23   11:31:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Vicomte13 (#16)

There is one church. But it isn't the Catholic church.

If it was they wouldn't call the pope Holy Father.

They wouldn't consider his words gods.

They wouldn't pray to mary.

They wouldn't remove the commandment about idols. Because they worship idols.

They woulodn't be full of pedophiles covered up by the churth.

The false prophet wi9ll be a pope imo.

Deceiving and being deceived comes to mind when I think of you.

Alos it did not rain Windex for 40 days and 40 nights. It rained water.

Another saying from the bible reminds me of you. SOmething about being boastfulo and proud.

FOr example when you came to the forum you came and said the forum would succeed because you were here and you are so smart and you write so well.

You also deny the power of God and say men piced and choosed and wrote the Bible.

You're an interesting character though. I enjoy correcting you even if you think I'm full of it.

We do have some common ground though. You don't buy evolution. You believe in the flood. Even the part I didn't think you would know about which was the floodgates of heaven eing opened and that being a source of rain.

So as I point out what I see to be flaws, contradictions, ignorance in your posts. I will admit that you do make a good point from time to time.

So dont take my words I say to you as the way I see it. If I am incorrect you could correct me with actual scripute. Not silly things like saying windex is ater in the Bible.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-11-23   11:40:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: All (#19)

Please forgive they typos above. I wrote them without glasses on. I will correct later.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-11-23   11:41:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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