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Title: Kasich ups ante with Trump over Muslim database
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Columbus Dispatch
URL Source: http://www.dispatch.com/content/sto ... sichs-plan-for-attack-ads.html
Published: Nov 20, 2015
Author: Darrel Rowland
Post Date: 2015-11-20 16:12:29 by nolu chan
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Comments: 32
Kasich ups ante with Trump over Muslim database By Darrel Rowland Now it’s John Kasich himself who’s taking a shot at Donald Trump. The governor issued a statement this morning about Trump’s proposal to force Muslims in the United States to become part of a national database. Kasich said, “The idea that someone would have to register with the federal government because of their religion strikes against all that we have believed in our nation’s history. It is yet another example of trying to divide people, one against the other. Donald Trump is unable to unite and lead our country.” When Trump was asked by NBC News about the difference between his proposed Muslim requirement and Nazi Germany signing up Jews, he merely responded, “You tell me.” On CNBC, former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush said, “You talk about internment, you talk about closing mosques, you talk about registering people. That's just wrong. I don't care about campaigns. It's not a question of toughness. It's to manipulate people's angst and their fears.” Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton called Trump’s plan “shocking rhetoric” that “should be denounced by all seeking to lead this country.” This morning’s dust-up comes on the heels of a dispute Thursday night that ended up with Trump’s top lawyer has threatening to sue Kasich and his super PAC to keep New Day for America from launching a $2.5 million ad campaign questioning Trump’s ability to serve as president. “Please be advised that in the event your ads contain any false, misleading, defamatory or otherwise tortuous statements or representations concerning Mr. Trump’s businesses or his brands, we will not hesitate to take immediate legal action to prevent such distribution and hold you and your organizations jointly and severally liable to the fullest extent of the law for any damages resulting therefrom,” said a letter late last night from Alan Garten, general counsel and executive vice president for the Trump Organization to Kasich and two top strategists from New Day for America. The super PAC was quick to respond. “Mr. Trump’s been successful in suing his way to financial gain. Unfortunately, you can’t sue your way to the Oval Office,” said chief strategist Matt David in a statement. “Trump can hire every trial lawyer in the country, but voters will ultimately decide this election. You can’t sue ISIS away. Suing Vladimir Putin won’t evict Russia from the Ukraine. The role of commander in chief requires leadership, not lawyers.” Open warfare between the two camps broke out four days before Trump’s first campaign visit to Ohio – a rally Monday night at the Greater Columbus Convention Center – when Kasich’s super-PAC rolled out plans for a negative ad campaign for New Hampshire targeting Trump in a bold attempt to end his reign atop the Republican presidential race. The high-risk move could either establish Kasich’s bona fides as a serious national candidate, or seal his demise, the way others attempting to take on Trump have suffered. “Gov. Kasich has shown that he is one of the only folks willing to stand up to Trump and his antics, his empty promises, his bombast,” David told The Dispatch. “Secondly, in talking to voters and listening to our donors, there is a strong push and a consensus that someone has to stand up to Trump in this election. And we feel that Gov. Kasich is the best person to do that, given the fact that he is a sitting governor with a successful record that provides voters with a template of who he would be as president. “And I think if you juxtapose that to Trump, there are a lot of unknowns there. When people think about what Donald Trump as commander in chief means, and that sinks in, I think there’s going to be a sense of buyer’s remorse. And this entire effort is going to accelerate that feeling of buyer’s remorse.” Some of the ads — they will include TV, radio, direct mail and digital — will focus solely on Trump, David said. Others will directly contrast Trump and Kasich, and a few will be positive spots about Kasich. “In presenting the contrast with Trump, we can also position Kasich as having courage and having the guts and the leadership to stand up to Donald Trump,” David said. The new ad series adds about $1.2 million more to the $11.5 million targeted by the super PAC for New Hampshire between July and its Feb. 9 primary, the nation’s first, he noted. When word of the super-PAC’s effort became public on Thursday night, Trump fired off a dozen tweets blasting Kasich. A sampling: “John Kasich should focus his special interest money on building up his failed image, not negative ads on me.” “John Kasich, despite being Governor of Ohio, is losing to me in the Ohio polls. Pathetic!” “I want to do negative ads on John Kasich, but he is so irrelevant to the race that I don’t want to waste my money.” “Watch Kasich squirm — if he is not truthful in his negative ads I will sue him just for fun!” “I loved beating John Kasich in the debates, but it was easy — he came in dead last!” “Doesn’t help Kasich to do negative ads on me because he still has to go through everyone else — he’s almost last.” “John Kasich was managing director of Lehman Brothers when it crashed, bringing down the world and ruining people's lives. A total failure!” “Once John Kasich announced he was running for president, and opened his mouth, people realized he was a complete & total dud!” Although the super PAC and Kasich’s official campaign can’t legally coordinate their actions, Trump’s responses drew return fire from Kasich’s campaign organization as well. Top campaign strategist, John Weaver, tweeted right back at the bellicose billionaire: “Trump can’t beat Hillary. It’s up to Republicans to save our party and country by uniting to stop his divisive campaign.” And then the official campaign let loose on Twitter, with links to video showing Trump saying everything from Hillary Clinton would be the best to negotiate with Iran to wondering, “Why are we knocking ISIS?” in September. Kasich campaign spokesman Rob Nichols said of Trump’s tweets: “This is hilarious to watch. No one loses it that bad unless, for some reason, they’re feeling very insecure.” Nichols said the campaign doesn’t respond to threatened litigation. For months, Kasich had been content to say that Trump was popular because he is hitting a nerve with voters. But in the past few weeks — and the past two GOP debates — he has challenged Trump’s plan to round up and deport the estimated 11 million undocumented immigrants in America, as well as some of his factually dubious statements. The latest ad from the super PAC compares Trump and Dr. Ben Carson to Barack Obama, saying all lacked the requisite experience to become president. “On–the-job training for president does not work,” the TV spot says.
The Columbus Dispatch
Friday November 20, 2015 12:13 PM
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#1. To: nolu chan (#0)
I don't like anyone. I'd probably choose Bernie Sanders.
You'd have to change you scren name to ebonytwit.
I don't like any of them, I said. How is that offensive?
Only a twit would consider voting for Sanders.
I wouldn't legitimately vote for any of the candidates. It's unimportant.
Kasich is right about a Muslim registry and database. But I think he will collapse shortly and drop out. The GOP base is in no mood to hear this scolding from him, even if he is correct about the law and the politics of it. Or maybe Kasich already knows he's done as a candidate so he's going to take a punch at Trump before he drops out of the race and see if he can get lucky before he folds his tent and returns to Ohio.
The Republican Party's instinct is to take a punch at Trump - anything to stop Trump. Which is why it is imperative that Trump be forced upon them.
Well, we already knew that Kasich is pro illegal / amnesty. Now we can say that he is also pro muslim. A good little CFR order follower. Yeah, he is done. Si vis pacem, para bellum Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. There are no Carthaginian terrorists. “The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his.” - George S. Patton
If Trump had made such a suggestion.
Or Kasich, as well as everyone else, knows he is done a a presidential candidate, and he is carrying water for the GOPe and if he can help take down Trump, and Rubio becomes the candidate, he may get a spot on the ticket as VP.
Yeah, take Reince Priebus, the party chairman. Remove the vowels and you get RNC PR BS.
All Muslims or new refugees? Maybe I should ask NBC since they were the ones who originally suggested it.
BWAHAHAHAHA! LOL! :D
You're right. That doesn't mean I love Muslims or Kasich either. A totalitarian goon may become the GOP nominee, but they'll lose to Hillary. The neocons need to decide.... liberty, or Hillary? The past couple elections they chose Obongo. I do hope that they chose more wisely than another McCain or Romney POS statist loser. Everyone knows what I think of the Trump campaign. But all the candidates were on the CNBC stage in solidarity against cheap MSM smears .I guess some of them forgot . Here is how the Trump smear went down . He was on Hannity and mentioned that in some circumstances Mosques would have to be shut down. I don't know what circumstances he envisions ,but I could see that scenario if the clerics were inciting jihad in the country . Anyway ,Trump was interviewed by Yahoo. Yahoo reported : Yahoo News asked Trump whether his push for increased surveillance of American Muslims could include warrantless searches. He suggested he would consider a series of drastic measures. “We’re going to have to do things that we never did before. And some people are going to be upset about it, but I think that now everybody is feeling that security is going to rule,” Trump said. “And certain things will be done that we never thought would happen in this country in terms of information and learning about the enemy. And so we’re going to have to do certain things that were frankly unthinkable a year ago.” Yahoo News asked Trump whether this level of tracking might require registering Muslims in a database or giving them a form of special identification that noted their religion. He wouldn’t rule it out. “We’re going to have to — we’re going to have to look at a lot of things very closely,” Trump said when presented with the idea. “We’re going to have to look at the mosques. We’re going to have to look very, very carefully.” http://news.yahoo.com/donald-trump-has-big-plans-1303117537878070.html Then an NBC reporter stuffed a mike in his face while Trump was working the rope line at a campaign event and asked Trump about his plans to register Muslims. He asked if all Muslims in the country would be forced to register. “They have to be,” Trump said. “They have to be.’’ When asked how a system of registering Muslims would be carried out — whether, for instance, mosques would be where people could register ;Mr. Trump said: “Different places. You sign up at different places. But it’s all about management. Our country has no management.’’ Asked later, as he signed autographs, how such a database would be different from Jews having to register in Nazi Germany, Trump repeatedly said, “You tell me,” until he stopped responding to the question At that time Trump began to realize he was being set up. So he quit answering . But it's too late . The feeding frenzy began . Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
The latest poll has Trump at 38 percent with Carson around half of that; and Ran Paul and Jeb around 5 percent.
Psalm 37 PRAY FOR PARIS
Trump is a fool and a bully that hides behind a wall of lawyers because he can't stand to have the truth about him published. He's not even right about the Muslims,and his plan of registering them does smack on Nazism. What SHOULD be done with them is flat-our barring them from the country,and deporting each and every one that is not a US Citizen while barring any more from entering our country. The FACT is that Islam and it's believers are incompatible with American values and laws. Therefore it is in conflict with America. Because it is true that Islam is more of a political organization than a religious belief and it's goals are to convert at sword point,every mosque in America should be shut down because they serve as headquarters buildings for people who designate themselves as enemies of America. Any Muslim that isn't happy with this is free to move back to Ragheadland where Islam is the only religion allowed. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
They should be shut down,period. They serve as recruiting and training centers for an army of occupation,as well as search-free areas where Muslims can store weapons. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
That's occurred to me too. As with Perry, Jindal, probably Christie. In 2012 we had the anybody-but-Romney candidates, the base trying to avoid the GOP elite pick for the nominee. Now we have the anybody-but-Trump movement with the GOPe desperately trying to rid themselves of Trump.
Had some time on your hands lately to come up with that? : )
It's his military background that takes over sometimes when he has too much time on his hands. Like when he used to participate in military exercises "Hurry up and Wait" was the motto/typical scenario... Vegetarians eat vegetables. Beware of humanitarians!
Now you you that isn't going to happen there is a reason behind the term "sandn*gger"... Vegetarians eat vegetables. Beware of humanitarians!
Well,I see no good reason why we can't help them make the move. After all,Islam is more of a form of government than it is a religion,and at the very core of their beliefs is taking over control of the governments in every country they move to,so a valid case can be made that they are invaders,not refugees. ENEMY invaders looking to destroy our government and our way of life,and turn us all into slaves. ANY US politician that supports bringing more of these goat humpers to America is nothing more than a traitor that is aiding and abetting the destruction of our Constitutional Republic,and should be removed from office and put in prison or hanged. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
Which means about 75% of them... You know maybe a better way to deal with the problem is to take it out on those people behind the scenes that are paying/bribing/black mailing the pols to do this... Vegetarians eat vegetables. Beware of humanitarians!
Which means about 75% of them... Works for me. You know maybe a better way to deal with the problem is to take it out on those people behind the scenes that are paying/bribing/black mailing the pols to do this... That is only a problem as long as the political ruling class are more afraid of their bosses than they are the public. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
The hell he can't, Kasich, and you know it! Personally, I'm not interested in being united with con men.
I heard some caller to a radio show say it about a week ago.
And the GOPe party PTB read the polls and freaked out.
You are free to not like him, but Trump is nobody's fool. I'm sorry to hear that Trump's wall of lawyers has prevented you from publishing the truth about Trump. If not you, who? Who issued an injunction of prior restraint of free speech? To whom? Or do you mean Trump threatened to sue if defamatory false statements were published about him? Trump is a public figure. He would have to prove libel pe se, i.e., the publisher knew the statements were false as the time they were made, or they were made in reckless disregard of the truth. Truth is a complete defense to libel or slander. What plan is that? Do you have video or a transcript of that plan? Like this: TRUMP: Oh, I would certainly implement that, absolutely. REPORTER: What do you think the effect of that would be? How would that work? TRUMP: It would stop people from coming in illegally. We have to stop people from coming into our country illegally.
Like all fools,he is everybody's fool. He's not even right about the Muslims,and his plan of registering them does smack on Nazism. What plan is that? Do you have video or a transcript of that plan? You must be blowing him. Or defending him because fools stick together. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
You must be blowing him. Or defending him because fools stick together. I accept that you are unable to produce video or a transcript of your cited imaginary plan.
That's awful white of you,but what you really need to accept is I don't care enough about your opinion to look. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
#2. To: ebonytwix (#1)
I'd probably choose Bernie Sanders.
#3. To: A K A Stone (#2)
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#4. To: ebonytwix (#3)
#5. To: A K A Stone (#4)
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#6. To: nolu chan (#0)
Now it’s John Kasich himself who’s taking a shot at Donald Trump.
#7. To: TooConservative (#6)
Or maybe Kasich already knows he's done as a candidate so he's going to take a punch at Trump before he drops out of the race
#8. To: Vicomte13 (#7)
#9. To: TooConservative (#6)
Kasich is right about a Muslim registry and database.
#10. To: TooConservative (#6)
Or maybe Kasich already knows he's done as a candidate so he's going to take a punch at Trump before he drops out of the race and see if he can get lucky before he folds his tent and returns to Ohio.
#11. To: Vicomte13, TooConservative (#7)
The Republican Party's instinct is to take a punch at Trump - anything to stop Trump.
#12. To: TooConservative (#6)
"Kasich is right about a Muslim registry and database."
#13. To: nolu chan (#11)
Yeah, take Reince Priebus, the party chairman. Remove the vowels and you get RNC PR BS.
#14. To: TooConservative, *The Two Parties ARE the Same* (#6)
Kasich is right about a Muslim registry and database.
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#15. To: TooConservative (#6)
#16. To: nolu chan (#0)
#17. To: nolu chan (#0)
#18. To: tomder55 (#15)
Here is how the Trump smear went down . He was on Hannity and mentioned that in some circumstances Mosques would have to be shut down.
#19. To: nolu chan (#10)
Or Kasich, as well as everyone else, knows he is done a a presidential candidate, and he is carrying water for the GOPe and if he can help take down Trump, and Rubio becomes the candidate, he may get a spot on the ticket as VP.
#20. To: nolu chan (#11)
Yeah, take Reince Priebus, the party chairman. Remove the vowels and you get RNC PR BS.
#21. To: TooConservative, nolu chan, redleghunter, sneakypete (#20)
Had some time on your hands lately to come up with that? : )
#22. To: sneakypete (#17)
Any Muslim that isn't happy with this is free to move back to Ragheadland where Islam is the only religion allowed.
#23. To: CZ82 (#22)
Now you you that isn't going to happen there is a reason behind the term "sandn*gger"...
#24. To: sneakypete (#23)
ANY US politician that supports bringing more of these goat humpers to America is nothing more than a traitor that is aiding and abetting the destruction of our Constitutional Republic,and should be removed from office and put in prison or hanged.
#25. To: CZ82 (#24)
ANY US politician that supports bringing more of these goat humpers to America is nothing more than a traitor that is aiding and abetting the destruction of our Constitutional Republic,and should be removed from office and put in prison or hanged.
#26. To: nolu chan (#0)
Donald Trump is unable to unite and lead our country.
#27. To: TooConservative (#20)
Had some time on your hands lately to come up with that? : )
#28. To: Don (#16)
The latest poll has Trump at 38 percent with Carson around half of that; and Ran Paul and Jeb around 5 percent.
#29. To: sneakypete (#17)
Trump is a fool and a bully that hides behind a wall of lawyers because he can't stand to have the truth about him published.
He's not even right about the Muslims,and his plan of registering them does smack on Nazism.
REPORTER: But is it something your White House would like to implement?
#30. To: nolu chan (#29)
You are free to not like him, but Trump is nobody's fool.
#31. To: sneakypete (#30)
He's not even right about the Muslims,and his plan of registering them does smack on Nazism.
What plan is that? Do you have video or a transcript of that plan?
#32. To: nolu chan (#31)
I accept that you are unable to produce video or a transcript of your cited imaginary plan.
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