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Title: Paris attacks: Where does Isis get its money and weapons from?
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Independent
URL Source: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w ... s-money-and-arms-a6736716.html
Published: Nov 20, 2015
Author: Tom Brooks-Pollack
Post Date: 2015-11-20 13:56:35 by redleghunter
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Jeremy Corbyn posed a series of rhetorical questions when asked whether bombing Isis following the Paris terror attacks would make a significant difference to the situation. In an interview with Lorraine Kelly on ITV, the Labour leader answered "probaby not", adding: "Who is funding Isis? Who is arming Turkey? Who is providing safe havens for ISIS. You have to ask questions about the arms everyone has sold in the region." The Paris attackers were armed with AK-47s and identical suicide vests, while police seized a rocket launcher and a huge cache of weapons in terrorists raids in Lyon following the attack. Some are said to have been trained in Syria. So where does Isis get its money, guns and bombs, both in Europe and in the Middle East? Who is funding Isis? To a large extent Isis is now funding itself – through oil sales, kidnap ransoms, smuggling, extortion, taxes, looting, bank robberies. When it was starting out, Isis was ‘seed funded’ by wealthy donors –individuals and charities from across the Middle East, especially Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Kuwait. At first, the governments of the Persian kingdoms openly gave money to the opponents of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, including Isis. This has since become politically and diplomatically incorrect – but large amounts of money still finds its way to Isis from wealthy individuals from the Persian gulf. Where does Isis get its guns and ammunition? Following the Charlie Hebdo attacks in January, arms experts said that the ammunition used was almost certainly smuggled in from the Balkans, which was left awash with arms following the 1991-1995 war in the former Yugoslavia. The suburb of Molenbeek, in Brussels – home to some of the suspected attackers last Friday - has been identified as a “breeding ground” for terrorism in western Europe. An automatic firearm can allegedly be bought in the area for 500-1,000 euros. As for the Middle East, a study by the Conflict Armament Research Group, published last year, showed the militant group used ammunition manufactured mostly in America, China and Russia. Isis took possession of large amounts of kit - including tanks, rocket launchers and howitzers – when it seized Government-held territory in Iraq in 2014. It is known to have smuggled in arms from places such Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Syria and Eastern Europe. How much does it earn from oil? Isis-controlled territory produces up to 60,000 barrels per day, netting the caliphate an estimated £1m every 24 hours, according to an estimate by IHS, an energy research consultancy. Who is buying the oil – isn’t Isis-controlled territory saddled by international sanctions? Middlemen smuggle crude oil and refined oil products from Isis-controlled parts of Syria and Iraq to Turkey and Iran. The Syrian Government also reportedly buys some of these products. Because of sanctions, the caliphate, home to an estimated eight million people, also operates rather like a vast organised crime gang – dealing in cash and contraband products outside legitimate banking channels. How much does it make from its wealthy donors? It has raised around $40 million from such channels in the past two years, according to an estimate published in Newsweek. How much does Isis make from ransom payments for hostages? It generated at least $20m (£12.7m) in ransom payments in 2014, according to the US Treasury. What sort of taxes are levied in the caliphate? Religious minorities, such as Christians, are forced to pay a special tax, convert to Islam, or leave. What is the Caliphate’s annual income? It is reckoned to raise $2bn per year from the sale of oil, tolls and taxes Poster Comment: Looks like the "JV Team" graduated to Varsity. The point in the article that Iran is buying ISIS oil is way out there. Don't see that happening. Turkey, perhaps...Iran no.
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#1. To: tomder55, TooConservative, Don, BobCeleste, CZ82, liberator, Chuck_Wagon, Cranky, out damned spot, GarySpFc, sneakypete, Nolu Chan (#0)
Ping. The answers in this article are incomplete and lacking IMO, however the questions are good and not focused on even in the Conservative media. Totally absent in the leftist media, but that goes without question. Before any strategy against ISIS/ISIL can go forward the issue of their funding sources must be addressed. "Seek ye the Lord while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near"---Isaiah 55:6
To a large extent Isis is now funding itself – through oil sales, kidnap ransoms, smuggling, extortion, taxes, looting, bank robberies. Stopping ISIS from selling oil should be a matter of stopping oil shipments. If we stop the oil from being transported, no one will be able to buy it, correct?
We have been attacking the oil infrastructure since the beginning of Operation Inherent Resolve. Just not effectively . The operation against the infrastructure is called Operation Tidal Wave II. Here is the relevant part of the November 13 briefing : Q: Colonel Warren, (inaudible) -- here with Reuters. Coming to Operation Tidal Wave II, could you give a bit more specifics on how many strikes have been made so far, when you see it ending, and geographically, is it restricted to eastern Syria? If you could also talk about -- I mean, they're making about $500 million a year in oil revenue. As a result of this operation, do you see that revenue going down to zero, or sort of -- what's the end goal with this? COL. WARREN: We estimate that about two-thirds of their oil revenue comes from the Deir ez-Zor region. On the map -- I should have marked -- well, you can sort of see it on the map. Put -- can you put up that other map? So that purple circle, number two there, which is right below the city of -- or the words Deir ez-Zor -- that indicates, roughly, where most of these oil facilities are located. Right where that number two is. So we've conducted -- I'll have to -- unfortunately, I didn't bring that exact number with me and I should have. I don't have the exact number of strikes we've -- we've conducted on the -- on the oil facilities on the last week. But it's -- it's a number we have and I'll -- we'll get it for you and get it out to you. Elissa Smith -- she's got those numbers and can give it to you. So again, our intent is to shut those oil facilities down completely. What we've done here is we've done a very comprehensive analysis of these facilities to determine which pieces of the facility we can strike that will shut that facility down for a fairly extended period of time. Again, we have to be cognizant that there will be a time after the war -- the war will end. So we don't want to completely and utterly destroy these facilities to where their irreparable. So what we've done is we've used very precise carving, a very detailed analysis to strike certain parts of these facilities that will cause them to shut down for an extended period of time. Why will they shut down? Well, it's because the replacement parts require a level of technical expertise that we don't believe ISIL necessarily has. Or the replacement parts themselves are very difficult to acquire, alright? They're only made in a few, you know, in a few locations that can be tracked. So that's kind of our philosophy, our overall approach to this. And again, we estimate roughly two thirds of their oil revenue comes from this region. http://www.defense.gov/News/News-Transcripts/Transcript-View/Article/628932/% 20department-of-defense-press-briefing-by-col-warren-via-dvids-from-baghdad-ir% 20aq Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
That's true. However, we also want to pinpoint the parties who are buying the oil. You have to hit it both ways, but to bomb the oil production is a tactical/operational objective. Stopping those who are buying it and the middle parties is a strategic objective. If your strategic objectives are not valid or successful, then the operational and tactical do nothing but give you a 'sugar rush' in the short term. For example the US and ISF could not stop the terrorist 'rat lines' coming from Syria, Jordan and Turkey (even from Iran too!). That was a strategic objective not met. So on any given day US/ISF rolled up individual terrorists and on good days rooted out entire cells. Matters not how many we caught or killed...If the rat lines stay open, then more come in to take their place. "Seek ye the Lord while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near"---Isaiah 55:6
If we stop the oil from being transported, no one will be able to buy it, correct? Bombing oil fields is not an effective way of stopping oil shipping.. So the strategic objective should be bombing oil trucks and oil pipelines, correct?
So again, our intent is to shut those oil facilities down completely. What we've done here is we've done a very comprehensive analysis of these facilities to determine which pieces of the facility we can strike that will shut that facility down for a fairly extended period of time. Again, we have to be cognizant that there will be a time after the war -- the war will end. So we don't want to completely and utterly destroy these facilities to where their irreparable. So what we've done is we've used very precise carving, a very detailed analysis to strike certain parts of these facilities that will cause them to shut down for an extended period of time. Why will they shut down? Well, it's because the replacement parts require a level of technical expertise that we don't believe ISIL necessarily has. Or the replacement parts themselves are very difficult to acquire, alright? They're only made in a few, you know, in a few locations that can be tracked. So that's kind of our philosophy, our overall approach to this. And again, we estimate roughly two thirds of their oil revenue comes from this region. Oh my...Warren is terrible at interviews. If he does not know how many strikes the US conducted on infrastructure, then he needs a new job. He's the spokesmen for the entire operation! Plus he just helped the enemy in those comments. He told them that he only wanted temporary interruption of infrastructure and he also told ISIS who to kidnap next... technical expertise to fix what we destroy. This is wholesale FUBAR. "Seek ye the Lord while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near"---Isaiah 55:6
No. Pipelines would be operational level targets. Oil trucks would be tactical. Strategic would be dismantling the enablers of ISIS. Those who buy from them and support them. If we meet the above strategic objectives, ISIL has very little outside income. If we bomb facilities and trucks the enablers can replace such. Get rid of the enablers and no replacements come in. That is why whoever is next as President needs a strategy instead of just blowing up trucks. Blowing up trucks looks good on TV, and 'feels' good. But the real strategic fight is cutting off those who support ISIL....the enablers. "Seek ye the Lord while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near"---Isaiah 55:6
"I know major Arab allies who fund them.” - General Martin Dempsey, in response to Lindsay Graham. Non auro, sed ferro, recuperando est patria
I think we would all be surprised at how much comes from Muslims living in America. No way in hell is anyone in the US media going to start asking anything as non-PC as questions like that,though. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
Plus he just helped the enemy in those comments. He told them that he only wanted temporary interruption of infrastructure and he also told ISIS who to kidnap next... technical expertise to fix what we destroy. This is wholesale FUBAR. You really have to wonder who he is related to,don't you? I just don't see anyone that incompetent and bumbling making Colonel that doesn't have a political Rabbi. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
And being put in front of cameras to boot! "Seek ye the Lord while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near"---Isaiah 55:6
Dempsey is a good Soldier.
"Seek ye the Lord while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near"---Isaiah 55:6
Who is funding Isis? You Do Realize that the U.S. Funded and Trained ISIS, Right? Well-trained in military prowess. Tremendously well-funded. Super sophisticated terrorists. Hmmm. And how do you think they got that way so fast? Super magic terrorist training money tree fairy dust? Apparently the mainstream establishment media would more likely attempt to have people believe such a thing exists rather than expose the blatant reality that yes, the U.S. has trained and funded ISIS and without the U.S. government, ISIS would not be the threat it has become. It came out back in 2012 that the U.S., Turkey and Jordan were jointly running a US CIA and Special Forces command training base for Syrian rebels out of the Jordanian town of Safawi, but apparently according the Jordanian officials, that training ‘wasn’t meant to be used in Iraq’ (via WND): Syrian rebels who would later join the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, or ISIS, were trained in 2012 by U.S. instructors working at a secret base in Jordan, according to informed Jordanian officials. The officials said dozens of future ISIS members were trained at the time as part of covert aid to the insurgents targeting the regime of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad in Syria. The officials said the training was not meant to be used for any future campaign in Iraq. So future ISIS members were specially trained by the U.S. government, huh? Ya don’t say. In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much You buy any story your fellow globalists sell you. In this case Obama. Obama, Bush, Rubio, Hillary. Not a lot of difference. None on foreign policy.
You buy any story your fellow globalists sell you. Tell me where I'm wrong . I'm not even saying that the attacks on the oil fields they control is going to cripple the Islamic Stat finances. According to the Rand Corp . ,oil revenue is not their biggest source of revenue. Collecting "taxes " aka extortion is their primary source of revenue. They collect a jizya tax on non-Muslims. But they also tax people in the territories they control for services and wages . They collect tolls for traffic into Iraq ,and they collect a road tax for traffic in Iraqi territory they control. http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/05/19/world/middleeast/isis- finances.html?_r=0 Like it or not ,the way to defeat them is not by cutting off their oil revenue . It's by driving them out of the territory they control. If that is the globalist perspective then so be it. Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
I just haven't heard of any stories of America attacking anything oil related. In fact today I heard we might change our rules of engagement. Right now they said we can't even attack a truck. Because the driver is considered a civilian. So it would seem to reason that oil workers are off limits also. If you have a link that shows some oil fields we attacked then please share it and correct me. I did hear that the Russians or French attacked some oil assets. But I never heard we have.
Here's one from September . http://www.businessinsider.com/us-bombs-isis-oil-fields-2014-9 But that campaign was not effective because it wasn't a sustained attack . So what was destroyed was being repaired . That is why we have shifted to go after the trucks . The US planes attacked 116 oil trucks this week alone . Yes of course there are silly ROEs that inhibit the progress that could be achieved . Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
That would mean confronting Ankara . Meanwhile here is a more comprehensive report on the Islamic State money by Cam Simpson , and Matthew Philips of Bloomberg . The video does a good job summarizing it . http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-11-19/why-u-s-efforts-to-cut-off- islamic-state-s-funds-have-failed Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
This interview with John Batchelor and Cam Simpson last night goes into even more detail . It is in the 2nd half of the hour (starts at 19:10) .
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Probably the DNC. Since Oblabbula has been in office, what do you think he has been going to all of those fund raisers for? Si vis pacem, para bellum Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. There are no Carthaginian terrorists. “The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his.” - George S. Patton
Or the Clinton foundation.
"Seek ye the Lord while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near"---Isaiah 55:6
And Qatar, Kuwait, and the Saudis. Most of all, the Saudis.
Saudi Arabia funds and backs the Islamic Front . The Islamic Front is actively fighting against ISIS. The Saudi government is opposed to ISIS, but no doubt many individual wealthy Saudi citizens have a hand in supporting ISIS. I specifically mentioned Turkey because not only do they funnel weapons and jihadists into Syria ,and allows the transport of IS oil through it's borders ... but it also attacks the Kurdish fighters who are the most effective ground troops against IS . Abu Sayyaf who's compound US special forces raided , had been responsible for smuggling oil from Syria’s eastern fields to Turkish buyers.“There are hundreds of flash drives and documents that were seized there,” “They are being analysed at the moment, but the links are already so clear that they could end up having profound policy implications for the relationship between us and Ankara.” http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jul/26/isis-syria-turkey-us Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Turkey would clearly go to war on any newly declared Kurdistan, even if the Kurds explicitly disavowed any claims to Kurdish areas in Turkey in advance. Woh.
Thanks for the ping. You are so courteous.
#2. To: redleghunter (#0)
Who is funding Isis?
The point in the article that Iran is buying ISIS oil is way out there. Don't see that happening.
#3. To: tpaine, redleghunter (#2)
#4. To: tpaine, tomder55 (#2)
If we stop the oil from being transported, no one will be able to buy it, correct?
#5. To: redleghunter, y'all (#4)
That's true. However, we also want to pinpoint the parties who are buying the oil. You have to hit it both ways, but to bomb the oil production is a tactical/operational objective.
Stopping those who are buying it and the middle parties is a strategic objective.
#6. To: tomder55, CZ82 (#3)
So we've conducted -- I'll have to -- unfortunately, I didn't bring that exact number with me and I should have. I don't have the exact number of strikes we've -- we've conducted on the -- on the oil facilities on the last week. But it's -- it's a number we have and I'll -- we'll get it for you and get it out to you. Elissa Smith -- she's got those numbers and can give it to you.
#7. To: tpaine, tomder55 (#5)
So the strategic objective should be bombing oil trucks and oil pipelines, correct?
#8. To: redleghunter (#4)
#9. To: redleghunter (#0)
#10. To: redleghunter (#6)
Oh my...Warren is terrible at interviews. If he does not know how many strikes the US conducted on infrastructure, then he needs a new job. He's the spokesmen for the entire operation!
#11. To: sneakypete (#10)
I just don't see anyone that incompetent and bumbling making Colonel that doesn't have a political Rabbi.
#12. To: nativist nationalist (#8)
#13. To: redleghunter (#0)
So where does Isis get its money, guns and bombs, both in Europe and in the Middle East?
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
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#14. To: tomder55 (#3)
We have been attacking the oil infrastructure since the beginning of Operation Inherent Resolve. Just not effectively .
#15. To: A K A Stone (#14)
We have been attacking the oil infrastructure since the beginning of Operation Inherent Resolve. Just not effectively .
#16. To: tomder55 (#15)
Tell me where I'm wrong .
#17. To: A K A Stone (#16)
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#18. To: redleghunter (#7)
Strategic would be dismantling the enablers of ISIS. Those who buy from them and support them.
#19. To: redleghunter, sneakypete, (#18)
#20. To: A K A Stone (#19)
#21. To: redleghunter (#0)
" Where does Isis get its money and weapons from? "
#22. To: Stoner (#21)
#23. To: tomder55, redleghunter (#18)
That would mean confronting Ankara .
#24. To: TooConservative (#23)
#25. To: tomder55 (#24)
I specifically mentioned Turkey because not only do they funnel weapons and jihadists into Syria ,and allows the transport of IS oil through it's borders ... but it also attacks the Kurdish fighters who are the most effective ground troops against IS .
“There are hundreds of flash drives and documents that were seized there,” “They are being analysed at the moment, but the links are already so clear that they could end up having profound policy implications for the relationship between us and Ankara.” http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jul/26/isis-syria-turkey-us
#26. To: tomder55 (#20)
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