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Title: Russia Pounds ISIS With Biggest Bomber Raid in Decades
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Published: Nov 17, 2015
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Post Date: 2015-11-17 20:30:36 by Don
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Russia Pounds ISIS With Biggest Bomber Raid in Decades Putin’s air force just uses its nuclear bombers to lay waste to the captial of the “Islamic State.” The Russian air force just pulled off one of the biggest and most complex heavy bomber missions in modern history—sending no fewer than 25 Backfire, Bear, and Blackjack bombers on a coordinated, long-range air raid against alleged ISIS forces in Syria. The Tuesday mission, which launched under the cover of darkness from a base in Ossetia in southern Russia, signaled a significant escalation of Moscow’s air war in Syria—and heralded the rebirth of Russian heavy bomber squadrons that once had withered from a lack of funding. Gen. Valery Gerasimov, chief of Russia’s general staff, announced the raid on Tuesday, calling it part of “a new plan [for] the air campaign.” “During a massive airstrike today, 14 important ISIL targets were destroyed by 34 air-launched cruise missiles,” Gerasimov said, using an alternative acronym for the terror army. “The targets destroyed include command posts that were used to coordinate ISIL activities in the provinces of Idlib and Aleppo, munition and supply depots in the northwestern part of Syria.” Idlib and Aleppo are not ISIS strongholds. Indeed, U.S.-backed rebels hold much of both provinces. Russia has maintained all along that its roughly six-week-old intervention in Syria is aimed at defeating ISIS, but in fact many Russian air and missile strikes have hit rebel groups that oppose Syrian President Bashar al-Assad and ISIS. Russian officials notified U.S. planners at a coalition headquarters in Qatar before the strike, Pentagon spokesman Peter Cook said. It was the first time the Russians and Americans have put into action an October agreement to coordinate their countries' respective operations in Syria. The raid came of the same day that Kremlin officials publicly announced that a “terrorist act” brought down Russian Metrojet 9268 last month over the Sinai Peninsula. ISIS has since taken credit for the attack. The Russian defense ministry released a video depicting three types of bombers arming, taking off, dropping munitions and then returning to base, escorted along their flight paths by Su-27 fighters. The swing-wing, jet-propelled Tu-22M Backfires apparently carried unguided “dumb” bombs. The videos depicts airmen loading clusters of cruise missiles in the bomb bays of the propeller-driven Tu-95 Bears and the huge, swing-wing Tu-160 Blackjack jets, which at 177 feet long are the biggest combat planes ever built. All three models of bomber can fly thousands of miles while hauling no less than 20 tons of weaponry. Only China and the United States possess similar heavy warplanes. Launching 25 bombers on one mission is an impressive undertaking. Russia possesses just 70 Backfires, 58 Bears and 13 Blackjacks. The 14 Backfires, six Bears, and five Blackjacks that reportedly struck Syria represent a significant proportion of the overall fleet. The massive raid is evidence of improving readiness on the part of the Russian air force, which in the 1990s and early 2000s grounded most of its aircraft because it couldn’t afford to fuel them or pay their pilots. By comparison, on any given day 57 of the U.S. Air Force's 77 B-52s, 35 of its 60 B-1s and nine of its 20 B-2 stealth bombers are even flyable, according to statistics from 2013. The Tuesday mission signaled a significant escalation of Moscow’s air war in Syria—and heralded the rebirth of Russian heavy bomber squadrons that once had withered from a lack of funding. And when they do fly, America’s bombers often sortie alone or in pairs, only rarely coming together in large numbers. Seven B-52s flew together to launch cruise missiles at Iraq in the early hours of Operation Desert Storm in 1991, and a group of eight of the giant warplanes repeated the feat on the first day of Operation Iraqi Freedom in March 2003. In other words: This Russian attack was “shock and awe”—on steroids. Russia’s bomber raid was certainly impressive, and has propaganda value in addition to bolstering Moscow’s operations in Syria. When 25 of the planet’s most powerful warplanes attack at the same time, it’s more than a mere air raid. It’s a statement to the whole world. They come from Russia, France—even New Jersey—to end their lives for an ‘Islamic State.’ But an ISIS defector reveals that Saddam’s old spies are the ones holding all the triggers. For all the attention paid to ISIS, relatively little is known about its inner workings. But a man claiming to be a member of the so-called Islamic State’s security services has stepped forward to provide that inside view. This series is based on days of interviews with this ISIS spy. Read Part One here. Part Two: Spies Like ISIS ISTANBUL — “Suicide bomber is a choice,” said the man we’ll call Abu Khaled, stubbing out a Marlboro Red and lighting a new one. “When you join ISIS, during the clerical classes, they ask: ‘Who will be a martyr?’ People raise their hands, and they go off to a separate group.” The number of recruits is declining, the former ISIS intelligence officer and trainer had told me here, on the shores of the Bosporus. But, at least in those indoctrination classes, there’s no want of young men looking for a quick trip to Paradise. “They keep volunteering,” said Abu Khaled. In the wide world outside al-Dawla al-Islamiya, the Islamic State, we have caught occasional glimpses of these incendiary young zealots. There was, for instance, Jake Bilardi, a disaffected Australian 18-year-old, who, judging by the blog he left while still in Melbourne, made a rather seamless transition from Chomskyism to takfirism, before detonating himself at a checkpoint in Iraq. Abu Abdullah al-Australi, as he went to his death in Ramadi, was convinced that he was carrying out a noble act of self-sacrifice, turning kamikaze for the caliphate. For him, jihad began at home. “The turning point in my ideological development,” he’d written, coincided with the “beginning of my complete hatred and opposition to the entire system Australia and the majority of the world was based upon. It was also the moment I realised that violent global revolution was necessary to eliminate this system of governance and that I would likely be killed in this struggle.” He was right about that last part, if not quite about how his fellow revolutionaries determined his use-value. For pragmatic reasons, ISIS has encouraged homogeneity within the ranks of its katibas, or military battalions, much as the republicans did with their international brigades during the Spanish Civil War. One of the best-trained and best-equipped katibas, or battalions, is named for Anwar al-Awlaki, the American-born al Qaeda cleric who was killed by a U.S. drone strike in Yemen in 2011. “Everything is in English for this katiba,” Abu Khaled said. “And we have another one with a lot of Americans called Abu Mohammed al-Amiriki. It’s named for a guy from New Jersey. He got killed in Kobani. This katiba also has a lot of foreigners.” Lately, however, ethnically or linguistically delimited katibas are being dissolved and reconstituted into mixed ones, owing to the unintended consequence of having too many people from one place, or with one language, assembled together. Al-Battar, one of the strongest battalions in the ISIS army, was made up of 750 Libyans. Its men, ISIS found, were more loyal to their emir than they were to the organization. So al-Battar was disbanded. Not long after joining ISIS, Abu Khaled had intended to found a Francophone katiba of around 70 to 80 fighters who didn’t speak any Arabic. The men drew up a petition and signed it, and Abu Khaled took it to ISIS headquarters in Raqqa. The petition was denied. Why? “They told me, ‘We had a problem before with the Libyans. We don’t want the French in one katiba.’” There’s no want of young men looking for a quick trip to Paradise. “They keep volunteering.” Russian speakers, too, are considered rogue troublemakers in al-Dawla. All fighters from the Caucasus or former Soviet republics tend to be referred to by the catch-all word “Chechens.” And while Abu Omar al-Shishani, an ethnic Chechen from Georgia, is one of the most recognized (and overhyped) battlefield commanders in ISIS, “Chechens” are running their own outfits with very little supervision or command-and-control from Raqqa. This has caused heightened vigilance among the Arab or regional jihadists. “I was in Raqqa once, and there was five or six Chechens. They were mad about something. So they came to see the emir of Raqqa. He was so afraid, he ordered ISIS to deploy snipers to the roofs of buildings. He thought the Chechens would attack. The snipers stayed there for two hours.” ISIS’s heralded end of the artificial borders imposed by European imperial powers has led to the unintended consequence of jihadist imperialism. The ISIS leadership, after all, is mainly Iraqi, and if there is a political, as opposed to religious, objective underlying all its activity, it is the restoration of Sunni power in Baghdad. Indeed, the franchise in Mesopotamia can be considered more “nationalist” in orientation than the one in the Levant, where muhajireen drunk on the “end of Sykes-Picot” seem not to realize they’re being exploited by the former henchmen of Saddam Hussein. *** In other words: Not all of America’s supposed allies in Syria are what they seem. Some of them, according to Abu Khaled, are being manipulated by people secretly working for ISIS instead. Structured rather like the regional mukhabarat, or intelligence agencies, of the traditional Arab tyrants ISIS supposedly wants to extirpate, ISIS’s amniyat, or security services, consists of four separate agencies or branches, each with its own role. There is Amn al-Dakhili, which is tantamount to ISIS’s interior ministry. It’s charged with maintaining security for each city. Then there is Amn al-Askari, or ISIS military intelligence, its reconnaissance men and anatomists of enemy positions and fighting capabilities. Amn al-Kharji is ISIS foreign intelligence, whose operatives are sent behind “enemy lines” to conduct espionage or plot and perpetrate terrorist operations. But “enemy lines” doesn’t just refer to countries and cities of the West; any areas in Syria controlled by the Free Syrian Army (FSA) or the Assad regime, and thus not technically within the boundaries of the caliphate, require foreign assets to penetrate. This is crucial for how the organization “expands” in Syria and Iraq—by dispatching sleepers to recruit agents and informants, or gather information about rival groups, be they other militias or state armies. Abu Khaled emphasized repeatedly that tradecraft rather than martial puissance is what makes ISIS so formidable at seizing and keeping terrain. Members loyal to the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) wave ISIL flags as they drive around Raqqa June 29, 2014. The offshoot of al Qaeda which has captured swathes of territory in Iraq and Syria has declared itself an Islamic "Caliphate" and called on factions worldwide to pledge their allegiance, a statement posted on jihadist websites said on Sunday.Reuters Others agree. A few months ago, Der Spiegel’s Christoph Reuter published an exposé based on captured internal ISIS documents showing the careful compartmentalization of the amniyat. “The agents were supposed to function as seismic signal waves,” Reuter wrote, “sent out to track down the tiniest cracks, as well as age-old faults within the deep layers of society—in short, any information that could be used to divide and subjugate the local population.” Who were the elite families? How did they make their money? Were any of their sons secretly gay? What could be used to blackmail them into submission or compliance? The entire apparatus was honeycombed with semi-autonomous fiefs, often tasked with keeping track of what the others were up to. “A general intelligence department reported to the ‘security emir’ for a region who was in charge of deputy emirs for individual districts. A head of secret spy cells and an ‘intelligence service and information manager’ for the district reported to each of these deputy emirs. The spy cells at the local level reported to the district emir’s deputy. The goal was to have everyone keeping an eye on everyone else.” This naturally puts one in mind of the KGB or Stasi—hardly a coincidence given that many of the top-ranking ISIS officials are former members of Saddam Hussein’s mukhabarat and therefore past pupils of Warsaw Pact security organs. In fact, the man who constructed the ISIS franchise in Syria, the now-deceased Haji Bakr, had once been a colonel in Saddam’s Air Defense Intelligence Service. Abu Khaled told me that the ministry of fear Haji Bakr built has only thrived since. “A week before I defected, I was sitting with the chief of Amn al-Kharji, Abu Abd Rahman al-Tunisi. They know the weak point of the FSA. Al-Tunisi told me: ‘We are going to train guys we know, recruiters, Syrians… Take them, train them, and send them back to where they came from. We’ll give them $200,000 to $300,000. And because they have money, the FSA will put them in top positions.’” “This is how ISIS took over Syria,” said Abu Khaled. “It has plants in the villages and areas run by the FSA, and its people are in the FSA.” In other words: Not all of America’s supposed allies in Syria are what they seem. Some of them, according to Abu Khaled, are being manipulated by people secretly working for ISIS instead. Abu Khaled was made a member of Amn al-Dawla, or ISIS state security. This is its Shin Bet or FBI, responsible for running counterintelligence operations (weeding out foreign spies from the FSA, the Assad regime, or Western or regional services), intercepting communications internally (such as phone calls or unauthorized Internet connections), and maintaining the organization’s notorious detention program. The British-born Mohammed Emwazi, whom the media nicknamed “Jihadi John” after his recorded decapitations of Western hostages and who was very likely killed by a U.S. drone strike on Nov. 13, was also a member of Amn al-Dawla. “When anyone from any of these four branches is at work,” Abu Khaled explained, “they are masked.” But sometimes ISIS’s fondness for media attention gets the better of it. Emwazi’s identity, Abu Khaled said, was only confirmed because an informant for a regional government obtained unedited footage of the Briton running around Raqqa without his mask and delivered it to London. Men carry a body, believed to be one of the detainees held and executed by fighters from the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL), after it was discovered in a hospital in Aleppo that had been an ISIL stronghold before it was captured by rival rebel forces January 8, 2014.Abdalrhman Ismail/Reuters While the agents for each branch are typically Syrian, their chiefs are not. For some reason Abu Khaled can’t explain, the chiefs of the amniyeen tend to be Palestinians from Gaza. Like any state bureaucracies, territoriality gives rise to factionalism and infighting. “We have the military and the amniyeen,” Abu Khaled said. “They don’t like each other. When I used to train the amniyeen, my friends from the military used to tell me, ‘So now you are working for the kufar?’” He smiled. The infidels. Abu Khaled’s main role was in training the frontline local security for al-Bab. This took place in a camp about five kilometers north of the city and the daily protocol was intense. Reveille was at 5:30 in the morning. The jihadists would all gather for a one-hour workout. Abu Khaled got on site at 7 and gave lessons until noon. He taught battlefield tactics and operational awareness: how to secure a perimeter or launch a sortie. The fighters were then allowed to rest for two hours before training commenced again. At 5:30 in the evening, they were relieved, but not to a camp barracks. “The guys would go back to the places where they slept because it wasn’t safe to stay over in the camp,” he said. *** They stayed at the residence of Aleppo-born Abu Mohammed al-Adnani, the second-most powerful man in this terror army. He was once the confidant of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the Jordanian founder of al Qaeda in Iraq, ISIS’s original incarnation. Adnani, a senior member of ISIS’s Shura Council—its main decision-making body—is responsible for appointing the wali, or governor, for each of four wilayat, or provinces. Adnani also names the chiefs of all four branches of the security services as well as the chief of staff for the ISIS military administration. He is very mercurial. “I don’t even think he consults with the khalifa [the caliph] for replacing people or firing people,” Abu Khaled said. (This seemed exaggerated: The Shura Council, headed by Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, likely does authorize—or at least rubber-stamps—the selection and deselection of walis.) “Every visit, he puts people in jail, he fires people. Before I came to al-Bab, Adnani appointed a new wali from Iraq, a new chief of security from Iraq. Now in Syria we don’t have any Syrians as walis. Foreigners from Saudi Arabia, Tunisia, Iraq—but not Syrians. Tunisia should really open its embassy in Raqqa, not Damascus. That’s where its people are.” Adnani divides his time between Raqqa and al-Bab, where Abu Khaled claims to know all of his residences, including the one used by the soldiers that Abu Khaled trained. Adnani is largely inconspicuous, always traveling in “an old car” and with a security detail that tends not to advertise its presence. Rick Wilking/Reuters The ISIS leaders, according to Abu Khaled, conduct regular tours of their caliphate virtually incognito as they check on whether the “state” is functioning as it should. And if they’re not, then heads will roll in both the literal and figurative sense. Abu Khaled says he once shared a frontline position with Baghdadi himself. “One time, we were around Kweris airport,” he said, an isolated and—until recently—besieged regime outpost in ISIS country near Aleppo. “And al-Baghdadi came there. We didn’t know at the time, only after he left. Some people saw him but didn’t realize it was him. When Islamic State leaders travel, they don’t come with high-profile bodyguards. You don’t even know they’re there.” Perhaps the foregoing story is true, or perhaps it’s part of a carefully tended personality cult, without which no absolutism can survive and self-perpetuate. The tales about these secret visits are reminiscent of those told about Harun al-Rashid, the fifth Abbasid caliph of Baghdad when it was at its height in the eighth century. Although al-Rashid was real, his rendering by posterity was more informed by his recurring, fictionalized role in The Thousand and One Nights. At times, Abu Khaled seemed an unwitting Scheherazade, trafficking more in third-hand rumors and gossip—caliphate cock-and-bull—than in what he’d witnessed himself. Yet even these stories were illuminating insofar as they demonstrate the care with which ISIS sells its own legend internally. Another anecdote about Baghdadi, for instance, is almost surely a fabrication by clever political technologists for intentional dissemination through the jihadist grapevine. Once, it is said, Baghdadi traveled to Minbij, the other main city ISIS controls in Aleppo, whereupon he got into a car accident. The man whose car he dinged was incensed and started shouting at the caliph, whose identity he didn’t know, right there on the street, in front of passersby. “I’m going to take you to the court!” the man screamed at Baghdadi. “Let’s go,” Baghdadi answered him. And off the two went, to the Sharia court in Minbij. In front of a clerical magistrate who knew the defendant’s identity even if the plaintiff did not, Baghdadi admitted that the smashup was indeed his fault. The judge ordered the caliph to pay a fine. Part I: An Appointment in Istanbul Part II: Spies Like ISIS Part III: Posting Wednesday, Ministries of Fear Part IV: Posting Thursday “They hold themselves to account, like everybody else,” Abu Khaled told me. “This kind of thing, believe me, they are very good at.” Abu Khaled credits this notion of “equality before the law” as one of the main pillars of ISIS’s populist political program. And he said he experienced it firsthand. His personal computer, he said, was at one point confiscated by Amn al-Dawla so that it could be checked for any sign of disloyalty or treason. The machine was lost, a casualty of the jihadist bureaucracy. “So I had to take them to court. I swear to God, the judge, he picked up the phone: ‘OK, guys, you have 24 hours. I need his computer. Or you have to compensate him for the computer. Otherwise, I’m going to put you in the square and thrash you in front of everybody.’ You can be a nobody and still seek justice. This is one reason people who hate ISIS still respect them.” But, of course, ISIS doesn’t just enforce its will through respect, he noted. When that appeal falls short, ISIS turns to a complementary method of controlling its population: fear. Then Abu Khaled told me about the cage. Tomorrow: Ministries of Fear
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#1. To: Don (#0)
How many fanatic Islamic sh*t wads did he kill in this awesome dispaly of air power?
потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
I suggest you give him a call and ask.
Psalm 37 PRAY FOR PARIS
America's problems are not so much: "How many fanatic Islamic sh*t wads did he kill in this awesome dispaly of air power?" It is how many tens of thousands of terrorists that the Democratic Party intends to have in our neighbourhoods.
I can't believe after all these years I'm rooting for Russian bombers. I never thought that day would come.
I'll be impressed when I actually see the total number of bombs dropped and the effects assessment (BDA). Pounding sand with a bunch of bombs may feel good in the short term but it will be the effects that count. Ask the Israelis. On another note, we do not have to drop loads of bombs to get effects. The targeting process is decide, detect, deliver and assess. "Seek ye the Lord while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near"---Isaiah 55:6
Yes but you are not Russian. You have had years of ponding Muslim arse into the sand. It hasn't got you beyond still doing it, never the less, the Russians haven't had that pleasure so they are finally getting to use these weapons before they are totally obsolete. It gets rid of those old stockpiles afterall isn't this why the US does it? Now you can both get some shinny new cruise missiles. What it seems is the US and its allies pound Daesh and the Russians pound the FSA. Could we suggest the FSA withdraw so the the Russians arn't confused. It is the word free that confuses them and they arn't good with acronymns. So hard to translate into cyrllic, so give comrades a break they are new at this. . there is something rong with the process the assess part doesn't seem to work
After 59 years, they finally put the Tu-95 turbo-prop bombers into combat. And they only have a dozen of their newest bomber (from the mid-Eighties), the supersonic Tu-160 Blackjack, left in the inventory (with 4 more used for training). The Blackjack seems to be the only SST left in operation since the Brits/Frogs discontinued their airliner. The Blackjack was a Soviet copy of the Brit/Frog airliner. Maybe Vlad will whip his shirt off and fly a few sorties in Syria himself. : )
I am still amazed how the demonrats are going to follow Oblabbula over the cliff! They are even dumber than I had thought they were! Si vis pacem, para bellum Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. There are no Carthaginian terrorists. “The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his.” - George S. Patton
How so? They all answer to the same puppet-masters. As long as the boy emperor and his democrat lackeys follow the script, they're all cool "Blessed is the nation whose God is the LORD . . . " ~Psalm 33:12a
Maybe before it's over we can have the Russian bombers bombing the 'hoods? We know they are not going to bomb the palaces the terrorist financiers and planners live in,so they might as well bomb somebody to justify their existence,right? Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
I think we both know that BDA's report what Air Forces want them to report,and the only accurate BDA's are done by troops on the ground. I guess in the desert areas satellite photos can tell you a lot these days given the ultra high resolution cameras they use,but they still can't tell you who was killed and who survived with what equipment. I just don't see the Russians putting BDA teams on the ground there,do you? Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
Interesting to see. Since 2010, Russia has 4 new airbases and army bases in South Ossetia, (the autonomous region in eastern Georgia that broke away in 2008, along with Abkhazia). They've spent quite a bit on these and obviously intends them to project power into the Mideast as well as Russia's southern flank. Building big bases in these new Russian acquisitions further cements Russia's claims to them, much as Crimea's naval bases were a major reason the Russians arranged to annex it after a plebiscite. ISIS’s heralded end of the artificial borders imposed by European imperial powers has led to the unintended consequence of jihadist imperialism. The ISIS leadership, after all, is mainly Iraqi, and if there is a political, as opposed to religious, objective underlying all its activity, it is the restoration of Sunni power in Baghdad. Indeed, the franchise in Mesopotamia can be considered more “nationalist” in orientation than the one in the Levant, where muhajireen drunk on the “end of Sykes-Picot” seem not to realize they’re being exploited by the former henchmen of Saddam Hussein. Again, we have the Chechens, the most feared of the militias. There are 10,000 Chechens settled in Iraq and 5,000 Chechens in Syria. When they speak of "Chechens" as a blanket term, we shouldn't forget the Circassians whose ancestors were expelled from Russia. The recent Olympics in Sochi was held in their former heartland. Circassians and Tatars were suppressed and the vast majority of their populations were exiled from Russia by the tsars. Estimates of the size of Syria’s Circassian community vary from 55,000--60,000 to 80,000--100,000. So "Chechens" probably does refer to some actual Chechens and their freebooter buddies from Chechnya itself, via Pankisi Gorge, the home region of the top ISIS commander, a Chechen. Putin knows that many of his enemies are engaged in fighting for ISIS and building up veteran fighters and command structure, something that could be turned again against Russia. So Vlad is, in a sense, buying into the familiar refrain "we'll fight them over there so we don't have to fight them here". “This is how ISIS took over Syria,” said Abu Khaled. “It has plants in the villages and areas run by the FSA, and its people are in the FSA.” FSA is little more than a front for ISIS itself. It is thoroughly infiltrated and controlled by ISIS. This is why all of our FSA fighters defect to ISIS and give any weapons we provided to ISIS. FSA/ISIS and al-Nusra/al-Qaeda are the only two "rebel" groups in Syria and Iraq. It is led by Saddam's old intel leaders and has various ethnic groupings, among them the feared "Chechens" which include a lot of Muslims from the old southern Russian empire. FSA is nothing but a Western fraud, largely supported and supplied by the Saudis/Qataris/Kuwaitis. In Syria, you have Assad, FSA/ISIS, and al-Nusra/al-Qaeda. Pick one.
What else are they going to do? After all,Obomber is just following the orders of his globalist masters,and they OWN the Dim Party outright,and pretty much control the alleged Republican Party. If they didn't follow Obomber,they would be sheeple without a sheep herder. We can't have that,can we? Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
Just knew you needed to get in a comment about the old Tu-95s:)
"Seek ye the Lord while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near"---Isaiah 55:6
"Lays waste to the Christian faith and our dear Lord Jesus Christ. For although some praise the Turk’s government because he allows everyone to believe what he will so long as he remains the temporal lord, yet this reputation is not true, for he does not allow Christians to come together in public, and no one can openly confess Christ or preach or teach against Mohammed. What kind of freedom of belief is it when no one is allowed to preach or confess Christ, and yet our salvation depends on that confession? (LW 46:175)" - Martin Luther
Seems to me I seen an article recently where somebody was contemplating designing another aircraft like it to carry passengers again... Vegetarians eat vegetables. Beware of humanitarians!
They seem more interested in hypersonic airliners and fighters now. HSTs instead of SSTs that can fly at Mach 5 (3800mph). China and Russia and Boeing all have research projects but aren't getting anywhere yet beyond some demonstration vehicles. Heat is a major problem since your HST has to be built to resist massive air friction. Most likely, hypersonic aircraft will come only after America builds a big hypersonic bomber.
At the present time I would think about the only thing available to handle the high heat would be tungsten or titanium... Tungsten (even though it has an extremely high melting point) would be impractical because of it's density/weight compared to titanium... Now if you could figure out a way to combine the 2 to get the best properties of both then you would be set... Vegetarians eat vegetables. Beware of humanitarians!
We can probably take some notes of the design of the SR-71 Blackbird which flew at Mach 3. The high temperatures generated inflight required special design and operating techniques. Major portions of the skin of the inboard wings were corrugated, not smooth. Aerodynamicists initially opposed the concept, disparagingly referring to the aircraft as a Mach 3 variant of the 1920s-era Ford Trimotor, known for its corrugated aluminum skin.[28] The heat would have caused a smooth skin to split or curl, whereas the corrugated skin could expand vertically and horizontally and increased longitudinal strength.
I didn't think the polymers back then could have withstood that much heat... Vegetarians eat vegetables. Beware of humanitarians!
The Wiki page does detail some of the techniques and the controversy over the heat shielding among the engineers.
Have you seen this one yet? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin_SR-72 Vegetarians eat vegetables. Beware of humanitarians!
Were they using tap water?!
There should be enough data from space and orbital vehicles (the old shuttles) to come to a solution. The Space Shuttle design would endure up to Mach 26 at times leaving Earth's atmosphere; but as mentioned this was done by large and medium booster rockets. Plus the shuttle was not designed to be a sleek fighter. It was designed to be big and bulky to get out of Earth's atmosphere in orbit. The ceramic/composite heat tiles for re-entry are another matter. I'm sure some of the draft or test models try to incorporate this older technology. "Seek ye the Lord while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near"---Isaiah 55:6
One assumes. I'm not going on a Google safari to try to sleuth it out.
It had those crappy ceramic tiles that were a big drawback. And it had to withstand entering the atmosphere at 16-17 thousand mph or so. That's like Mach 25. Any failure of the troubled ceramic tiles could lead to an unpreventable loss of the shuttle during re-entry. These new hypersonic designs are for Mach 5 (3-4 thousand mph). The SR-71 Blackbird was a Mach 3 craft. The faster you go, the more the air is treated like and behaves like a fluid, not a gas. These high-speed craft are designed like fast submarines in some ways because they have to treat the atmosphere as though it is a fluid. And the byproduct is a lot of heat, like 1500°F (as I recall).
Thought you might find this interesting... Vegetarians eat vegetables. Beware of humanitarians!
I'd read for a few minutes but an hour of reminiscences is too much of a commitment. : )
Love the F-14 . My dad was at Grumman at the time and played a part in the development.
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
The airframe, avionics or weapon systems??? Vegetarians eat vegetables. Beware of humanitarians!
The airframe, avionics or weapon systems??? The variable-sweep wing design . Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Yes...I remember him 'inspecting' the F14 model I put together as child. I think he was unimpressed with how the model company (made in Japan) made some of the parts:) "Seek ye the Lord while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near"---Isaiah 55:6
Can't say that I blame him... :) Vegetarians eat vegetables. Beware of humanitarians!
That seemed to be a very popular feature of aircraft back in the mid 60s thru late 70s... Vegetarians eat vegetables. Beware of humanitarians!
#2. To: SOSO (#1)
#3. To: SOSO (#1)
How many fanatic Islamic sh*t wads did he kill in this awesome dispaly of air power?
#4. To: Don (#2)
#5. To: Don, TooConservative, CZ82, tomder55, liberator, GarySpFc, BobCeleste, Chuck_Wagon, SOSO, *Islamic caliphate expansion* (#0)
#6. To: redleghunter (#5)
(Edited)
we do not have to drop loads of bombs to get effects. The targeting process is decide, detect, deliver and assess.
#7. To: paraclete (#6)
You have had years of ponding Muslim arse into the sand. It hasn't got you beyond still doing it, never the less, the Russians haven't had that pleasure so they are finally getting to use these weapons before they are totally obsolete. It gets rid of those old stockpiles afterall isn't this why the US does it?
#8. To: buckeroo (#3)
" how many tens of thousands of terrorists that the Democratic Party intends to have in our neighbourhoods. "
#9. To: Stoner (#8)
I am still amazed how the demonrats are going to follow Oblabbula over the cliff!
#10. To: buckeroo (#3)
America's problems are not so much: "How many fanatic Islamic sh*t wads did he kill in this awesome dispaly of air power?" It is how many tens of thousands of terrorists that the Democratic Party intends to have in our neighbourhoods.
#11. To: redleghunter (#5)
(Edited)
I'll be impressed when I actually see the total number of bombs dropped and the effects assessment (BDA).
#12. To: Don, redleghunter, GarySpFc, Pericles, A Pole, Slavik_Avenger, Marguerite (#0)
The Tuesday mission, which launched under the cover of darkness from a base in Ossetia in southern Russia, signaled a significant escalation of Moscow’s air war in Syria—and heralded the rebirth of Russian heavy bomber squadrons that once had withered from a lack of funding.
Russian speakers, too, are considered rogue troublemakers in al-Dawla. All fighters from the Caucasus or former Soviet republics tend to be referred to by the catch-all word “Chechens.” And while Abu Omar al-Shishani, an ethnic Chechen from Georgia, is one of the most recognized (and overhyped) battlefield commanders in ISIS, “Chechens” are running their own outfits with very little supervision or command-and-control from Raqqa. This has caused heightened vigilance among the Arab or regional jihadists. “I was in Raqqa once, and there was five or six Chechens. They were mad about something. So they came to see the emir of Raqqa. He was so afraid, he ordered ISIS to deploy snipers to the roofs of buildings. He thought the Chechens would attack. The snipers stayed
there for two hours.” It had allegedly often been used as a base for transit, training and shipments of arms and financing by Chechen rebels and Islamic militants, including foreign fighters from Afghanistan and Arab countries, many of whom followed Ruslan Gelayev.[1] Most of these accusations were around 2002, but others allege that it is more peaceful now,[2] although there are still many Chechen refugees living there.[3] The senior ISIS leader "Omar the Chechen" grew up in the area, where his family still lives,[4] and in 2014 Omar reportedly threatened to return to the area to lead a Muslim attack on Russian Chechnya.[5] This naturally puts one in mind of the KGB or Stasi—hardly a coincidence given that many of the top-ranking ISIS officials are former members of Saddam Hussein’s mukhabarat and therefore past pupils of Warsaw Pact security organs. In fact, the man who constructed the ISIS franchise in Syria, the now-deceased Haji Bakr, had once been a colonel in Saddam’s Air Defense Intelligence Service. Abu Khaled told me that the ministry of fear Haji Bakr built has only thrived since. “A week before I defected, I was sitting with the chief of Amn al-Kharji, Abu Abd Rahman al-Tunisi. They know the weak point of the FSA. Al-Tunisi told me: ‘We are going to train guys we know, recruiters, Syrians… Take them, train them, and send them back to where they came from. We’ll give them $200,000 to $300,000. And because they have money, the FSA will put them in top positions.’”
#13. To: Stoner (#8)
I am still amazed how the demonrats are going to follow Oblabbula over the cliff!
#14. To: TooConservative (#7)
#15. To: Don (#0)
#16. To: TooConservative (#7)
The Blackjack seems to be the only SST left in operation since the Brits/Frogs discontinued their airliner.
#17. To: CZ82 (#16)
#18. To: TooConservative (#17)
Heat is a major problem since your HST has to be built to resist massive air friction.
#19. To: CZ82 (#18)
The rare two-passenger SR-71 trainer. On most aircraft, use of titanium was limited by the costs involved; it was generally used only in components exposed to the highest temperatures, such as exhaust fairings and the leading edges of wings. On the SR-71, titanium was used for 85% of the structure, with much of the rest polymer composite materials.[24] To control costs, Lockheed used a more easily worked titanium alloy which softened at a lower temperature.[N 3] The challenges posed led Lockheed to develop new fabrication methods, and have since been used in the manufacture of other aircraft. Lockheed found that washing welded titanium requires distilled water, as the chlorine present in tap water is corrosive; cadmium-plated tools could not be used as they also caused corrosion.[25] Metallurgical contamination was another problem; at one point 80% of the delivered titanium for manufacture was rejected on these grounds.[26][27] 
#20. To: TooConservative (#19)
with much of the rest polymer composite materials.
#21. To: CZ82 (#20)
#22. To: TooConservative (#21)
#23. To: TooConservative (#19)
Lockheed found that washing welded titanium requires distilled water, as the chlorine present in tap water is corrosive
#24. To: TooConservative, CZ82 (#19)
We can probably take some notes of the design of the SR-71 Blackbird which flew at Mach 3.
#25. To: A Pole (#23)
Were they using tap water?!
#26. To: redleghunter (#24)
The Space Shuttle design would endure up to Mach 26 at times leaving Earth's atmosphere; but as mentioned this was done by large and medium booster rockets. Plus the shuttle was not designed to be a sleek fighter. It was designed to be big and bulky to get out of Earth's atmosphere in orbit.
#27. To: redleghunter, tomder55, TooConservative, nolu chan (#24)
#28. To: CZ82 (#27)
#29. To: CZ82, redleghunter, TooConservative, nolu chan (#27)
#30. To: tomder55 (#29)
Love the F-14 . My dad was at Grumman at the time and played a part in the development.
#31. To: CZ82 (#30)
Love the F-14 . My dad was at Grumman at the time and played a part in the development.
#32. To: tomder55 (#29)
Love the F-14 . My dad was at Grumman at the time and played a part in the development.
#33. To: redleghunter (#32)
I think he was unimpressed with how the model company (made in Japan) made some of the parts:)
#34. To: tomder55 (#31)
The variable-sweep wing design.
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