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Title: France 'declares war' against ISIS: Start of WWIII?
Source: www.prophecynewswatch.com
URL Source: http://www.prophecynewswatch.com/2015/November16/161.html
Published: Nov 16, 2015
Author: WND
Post Date: 2015-11-16 13:35:47 by Don
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November 15, 2015

Reports are coming in that on Monday France will invoke Article 5 of the NATO Mutual Defense Treaty. NATO's collective defense clause compels all NATO members – including America – to fight alongside France against ISIS.

In response to Friday's series of coordinated attacks across Paris, French President Francois Hollande declared on Saturday that France would respond with a "pitiless" war against the group responsible. Speaking from the Bataclan, the site of one of the attacks, he stated, "We are going to lead a war which will be pitiless."

ISIS is claiming responsibility for the Paris attacks. In an online statement in Arabic and French which authorities say appears to be genuine, the attacks are called a "miracle" carried out by "eight brothers wearing explosive vests and assault rifles." The statement called Paris the "capital of abomination and perversion."

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The Guardian reports security analyst Charlie Winter said he has seen huge amounts of ISIS propaganda and he believes the statement is definitely from the group, though it was "put together hastily" and it is not clear whether the attacks that killed 127 people were directly ordered by ISIS or only inspired by the group.

International Business Times notes: "NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg said Friday the alliance would stand with France and remain ‘strong and united' against terrorism. Although France hasn't announced whether it will invoke Article 5, Stoltenberg told the Journal NATO's members stand ready to assist. ‘The important thing is we support French authorities in their determination to deal with the terrorist threat,' he said."

"The defense clause of NATO's founding treaty stipulates that if invoked, each of the members will assist the party attacked," continues IB Times. "NATO's military resources include more than 3 million troops under arms, 25,000 aircraft and 800 oceangoing warships, according to Foreign Policy. Economically, the alliance is also an intimidating force, representing more than 50 percent of global GDP. … The only time Article 5 has been invoked was after the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks on the New York and Washington, which prompted NATO's participation in the Afghanistan military mission. Should France become the second country to do so, ambassadors of the 28 nations would need to convene for consultation to determine a plan of action. The last country to request such a consultation was Turkey after attacks by ISIS in 2014."

"House of War: Islam's Jihad Against the World" conveys what the West needs to know about Islam and the violent, expansionary ideology that seeks the subjugation and destruction of other faiths, cultures and systems of government

Security expert Bruno Tertrais, senior research fellow with the Paris-based Fondation pour la Recherche Strategique (FRS), in speaking with DW, said, "I believe it is now time for a united front in Europe and along with our NATO allies to see whether we can coordinate better and act more vigorously against the jihadi terrorist threat in all its components. One of the things that will be discussed in the coming hours and days is whether or not the clauses of solidarity which exist in EU treaties and in the NATO treaty's Article 5 should be called upon and put into effect. Certainly on the French side, there is a hope that our European friends and allies will also contribute to the military action against ‘Islamic State' in Iraq and Syria in a more proactive way."

If France involkes Article 5, it is essentially declaring war, not just an authorization for the use of military force.

However the situation is complicated by the fact that ISIS is based in Syria.

"Russia is defending Syria to assist Syrian President Bashar Assad," notes SuperStation95. "When NATO goes to get ISIS, they will necessarily have to go into Syria … where Russia is defending. Will Russia relent and let NATO attack? Or will Russia decide this NATO action is a thinly disguised effort to unseat Bashar Assad, and cause Russia to battle NATO?"

Tertrais noted that Paris-style attacks could happen in every major Western city.

"It does not really come as a surprise," he said. "All the intelligence services and police knew that a major attack of the kind we had [on Friday] was not only possible, but almost likely. It is the kind of attack that police has tried to prevent for several years now, but it was absolutely not a surprise. Of course, it was a huge shock, especially because of the simultaneous nature of the attacks and the fact that for the first time ever, we had suicide bombers operating on the national territory.

"It's the combination of a new modus operandi, the suicide attack, with the number and coordination of the attacks which is particularly troubling and shocking. But that is not even the worst thing. The worst thing is that they could be testing us for an even bigger attack; at least that is a hypothesis that some of the intelligence services are working on right now. This tells me that there is both the intent and the capability to try to do serious harm to the French republic. And if they were able to do that yesterday night, they unfortunately are able and likely to do it again. And I am certain that the French government is also working on that hypothesis."

Speculation is strong that France's declaration will usher in World War III.

According to SuperStation 95, currently high-level discussions are taking place in Congress about whether to intern all Muslims in America, similar to the way the Japanese were interned during World War II after the Pearl Harbor attack in 1941.

"According to well-placed sources in the Defense Department," writes SuperStation 95, "inquiries have been made by staff from the congressional leadership, asking if the camps created under the REX-84 program in the mid-1980s are available for use? When told ‘Yes' the congressional staff revealed that discussions are taking place among the highest levels of U.S. congressional leadership about possibly interning ALL Muslims in the United States. … The prevailing thinking is that Muslims of today represent a much more dangerous threat than the Japanese during World War 2 and if the U.S. is going to declare war upon ISIS, it may be necessary to control the Muslim population within the USA."

Speculation about whether to intern Muslims in America go back as far as July, in the wake of the Chattanooga, Tennessee, shootings in which four Marines and a Navy petty officer were killed by a 24-year-old Muslim man.

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#1. To: Don (#0)

France 'declares war' against ISIS: Start of WWIII?

Bwahahahahahahaahahahaaha.................. Wow, France dropped 20 bombs on nobody. That really is the start of WWIII.

SOSO  posted on  2015-11-16   13:37:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: SOSO (#1)

Did you forget to read the part about the NATO Agreement?

Don  posted on  2015-11-16   13:42:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Don (#2)

we invoked Article 5 after 9-11-01 .

tomder55  posted on  2015-11-16   14:05:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: tomder55, Don (#3)

we invoked Article 5 after 9-11-01 .

Article 4 provides, "The Parties will consult together whenever, in the opinion of any of them, the territorial integrity, political independence or security of any of the Parties is threatened." The process of invoking Article 5 begins with calling a meeting of the 28 NATO ambassadors to discuss the matter and decide on a course of action (or not).

http://dailysignal.com/2015/11/15/can-nato-be-involved-in-responding-to-paris-attacks-looking-at-article-5/

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Can NATO Be Involved in Responding to Paris Attacks? Looking at Article 5

Luke Coffey
Daily Signal
November 15, 2015

In light of the recent terrorist attacks in Paris, which resulted in at least 139 dead and another 350 wounded, there has been significant discussion about what role the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) should have, if any, in a response to the attacks. We asked Luke Coffey, the Margaret Thatcher Fellow at The Heritage Foundation, who closely follows NATO issues, what NATO’s options are.

Many commentators have been calling for NATO to invoke its Article 5 in response to the recent terrorist attacks in Paris. What is Article 5?

Article 5 of the 1949 Washington Treaty (also referred to as the North Atlantic Treaty) is NATO’s mutual defense clause. In a nutshell, the treaty states that an attack on one member is an attack on all NATO members. The treaty is vague regarding under which circumstances Article 5 can be invoked and this has been a topic of debate in recent years.

Has Article 5 ever been invoked?

In NATO’s 66-year history Article 5 has been invoked only once. It was invoked in early October 2001 in response to the 9-11 terrorist attacks against the U.S. that left almost 3,000 innocent people dead.

So what happened then?

In this case, invoking Article 5 resulted to two NATO-led military operations to help the U.S.

First was Operation Eagle Assist, which saw European surveillance plans helping to monitor U.S. airspace. This mission ended in April 2002. The second mission was Operation Active Endeavor, a counter-terrorism maritime mission in the Mediterranean Sea that continues today. Contrary to popular belief, the NATO-led mission in Afghanistan was not an Article 5 mission.

Will France invoke Article 5?

No single member in NATO can invoke Article 5 unilaterally. Article 5 can only be invoked when all 28 members of the Alliance agree to do so.

I do not think Article 5 should be invoked in this case. After all, NATO did not invoke Article 5 after the 2004 Madrid bombing, which left 191 dead and more than 1,800 wounded; the 2005 London bombings; or the Charlie Hebdo attack in Paris last January. Arguably, Article 5 has already been invoked to fight terrorism after 9/11. Although al-Qaeda and the Taliban were specifically mentioned at the time, so was terrorism in general.

Are there things NATO can do even if it doesn’t invoke Article 5?

Absolutely. In fact, the vast majority of NATO’s military operations have not been carried out under the auspices of Article 5, including the NATO mission in Afghanistan, Libya in 2011, fighting piracy off the Horn of Africa, and operations in the Balkans. Even if NATO decides to take military action in Syria or Iraq, there is no reason why Article 5 has to be first invoked.

If the attacks in Paris warrant a military response against ISIS, it is probably better if France works with like-minded partners inside NATO instead of through NATO with NATO in command. NATO-led military operations in Afghanistan and Libya have shown that “war by consensus” inside the Alliance can be slow, frustrating, and not very effective.

Wouldn’t more military capability be made available if NATO invoked Article 5?

Not really. While invoking Article 5 might be symbolic, it is unlikely to lead to additional military capability. As a collective security alliance, NATO is only as strong as its individual member states. For years NATO members on both sides of the Atlantic have been slashing their defense budgets. This should be reversed immediately.

We should also recognize that many of the tools used in counter-terrorism operations are not military in nature and therefore are not under the purview of NATO, such as law enforcement operations, certain kinds of intelligence gathering, and immigration and refugee policies.

The best thing NATO members can do right now to help France is to work and cooperate collectively on these issues and if the time comes for a military response in Syria, then to work together multilaterally. Frankly speaking, right now NATO has enough on its plate deterring Russian aggression in central and eastern Europe.

See also:

http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/11/14/natos-turn-to-attack-paris-terrorist-isis/

VOICE

NATO’s Turn to Attack

There’s a time for soft power and playing the long game. But the attacks in Paris prove the Islamic State is overdue for eradication.

By James Stavridis
Foreign Policy
November 14, 2015

nolu chan  posted on  2015-11-16   14:38:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: nolu chan (#4)

NATO’s Turn to Attack

There’s a time for soft power and playing the long game. But the attacks in Paris prove the Islamic State is overdue for eradication

you don't need NATO to attack to have an effective response, many NATO members are already involved. This is not the beginning of WWIII. WWIII began on 9/11/2001, escalated when GWB attacked Iraq and has been continuing. However, bringing NATO in commits Turkey, so it is strategically important otherwise the allies will have no base of operations close to the war. Mobilising NATO will also allow Europe to stem the tide of migrants.

France's Hollande has vowed to destroy Daesh and France has sufficient military muscle on its own to carry out that threat, but invading Syria will have consequences

paraclete  posted on  2015-11-16   15:49:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: paraclete (#10)

you don't need NATO to attack to have an effective response, many NATO members are already involved.

NATO is not needed, but if one wants to really screw things up, having NATO command in charge is useful. The acronym has been said to stand for Not Able To Organize, or No Action, Talk Only.

What is really needed is the resolve to identify a meaningful military objective. If there is an actual military objective, NATO is not needed to achieve it.

If a police action is envisioned to identify and catch individual criminals, that is an expensive, eternal mission, and the military is not a police force.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-11-16   18:11:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: nolu chan (#13)

The U.S. Has spent many millions of our taxpayer monies on NATO. It's time we got back something from them.

Don  posted on  2015-11-16   18:18:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Don (#15)

The U.S. Has spent many millions of our taxpayer monies on NATO. It's time we got back something from them.

Why do you want something more back? NATO has been the bulwark against Russia, isn't that enough or are you put out that all they did for you was fight your war in Afghanistan?

Honestly, sometimes I think the thinking is so lopsided as if you ever fought for them to gain advantage, or maybe you did

paraclete  posted on  2015-11-16   18:35:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: paraclete (#16)

Why do you want something more back? NATO has been the bulwark against Russia, isn't that enough or are you put out that all they did for you was fight your war in Afghanistan?

NATO ain't what it used to be.

I don't deny the good intentions of nations outside of the US and UK, but we have received token support. Sure the extra combat jets and logistics is a good help. However the non Brit Europeans in NATO think sending few troops with bloated staffs is "helping."

The OEF NATO HQs is full of non US officers. We should charge for oxygen. There are quite a many oxygen thieves.

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