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Title: France 'declares war' against ISIS: Start of WWIII?
Source: www.prophecynewswatch.com
URL Source: http://www.prophecynewswatch.com/2015/November16/161.html
Published: Nov 16, 2015
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Post Date: 2015-11-16 13:35:47 by Don
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November 15, 2015

Reports are coming in that on Monday France will invoke Article 5 of the NATO Mutual Defense Treaty. NATO's collective defense clause compels all NATO members – including America – to fight alongside France against ISIS.

In response to Friday's series of coordinated attacks across Paris, French President Francois Hollande declared on Saturday that France would respond with a "pitiless" war against the group responsible. Speaking from the Bataclan, the site of one of the attacks, he stated, "We are going to lead a war which will be pitiless."

ISIS is claiming responsibility for the Paris attacks. In an online statement in Arabic and French which authorities say appears to be genuine, the attacks are called a "miracle" carried out by "eight brothers wearing explosive vests and assault rifles." The statement called Paris the "capital of abomination and perversion."

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The Guardian reports security analyst Charlie Winter said he has seen huge amounts of ISIS propaganda and he believes the statement is definitely from the group, though it was "put together hastily" and it is not clear whether the attacks that killed 127 people were directly ordered by ISIS or only inspired by the group.

International Business Times notes: "NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg said Friday the alliance would stand with France and remain ‘strong and united' against terrorism. Although France hasn't announced whether it will invoke Article 5, Stoltenberg told the Journal NATO's members stand ready to assist. ‘The important thing is we support French authorities in their determination to deal with the terrorist threat,' he said."

"The defense clause of NATO's founding treaty stipulates that if invoked, each of the members will assist the party attacked," continues IB Times. "NATO's military resources include more than 3 million troops under arms, 25,000 aircraft and 800 oceangoing warships, according to Foreign Policy. Economically, the alliance is also an intimidating force, representing more than 50 percent of global GDP. … The only time Article 5 has been invoked was after the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks on the New York and Washington, which prompted NATO's participation in the Afghanistan military mission. Should France become the second country to do so, ambassadors of the 28 nations would need to convene for consultation to determine a plan of action. The last country to request such a consultation was Turkey after attacks by ISIS in 2014."

"House of War: Islam's Jihad Against the World" conveys what the West needs to know about Islam and the violent, expansionary ideology that seeks the subjugation and destruction of other faiths, cultures and systems of government

Security expert Bruno Tertrais, senior research fellow with the Paris-based Fondation pour la Recherche Strategique (FRS), in speaking with DW, said, "I believe it is now time for a united front in Europe and along with our NATO allies to see whether we can coordinate better and act more vigorously against the jihadi terrorist threat in all its components. One of the things that will be discussed in the coming hours and days is whether or not the clauses of solidarity which exist in EU treaties and in the NATO treaty's Article 5 should be called upon and put into effect. Certainly on the French side, there is a hope that our European friends and allies will also contribute to the military action against ‘Islamic State' in Iraq and Syria in a more proactive way."

If France involkes Article 5, it is essentially declaring war, not just an authorization for the use of military force.

However the situation is complicated by the fact that ISIS is based in Syria.

"Russia is defending Syria to assist Syrian President Bashar Assad," notes SuperStation95. "When NATO goes to get ISIS, they will necessarily have to go into Syria … where Russia is defending. Will Russia relent and let NATO attack? Or will Russia decide this NATO action is a thinly disguised effort to unseat Bashar Assad, and cause Russia to battle NATO?"

Tertrais noted that Paris-style attacks could happen in every major Western city.

"It does not really come as a surprise," he said. "All the intelligence services and police knew that a major attack of the kind we had [on Friday] was not only possible, but almost likely. It is the kind of attack that police has tried to prevent for several years now, but it was absolutely not a surprise. Of course, it was a huge shock, especially because of the simultaneous nature of the attacks and the fact that for the first time ever, we had suicide bombers operating on the national territory.

"It's the combination of a new modus operandi, the suicide attack, with the number and coordination of the attacks which is particularly troubling and shocking. But that is not even the worst thing. The worst thing is that they could be testing us for an even bigger attack; at least that is a hypothesis that some of the intelligence services are working on right now. This tells me that there is both the intent and the capability to try to do serious harm to the French republic. And if they were able to do that yesterday night, they unfortunately are able and likely to do it again. And I am certain that the French government is also working on that hypothesis."

Speculation is strong that France's declaration will usher in World War III.

According to SuperStation 95, currently high-level discussions are taking place in Congress about whether to intern all Muslims in America, similar to the way the Japanese were interned during World War II after the Pearl Harbor attack in 1941.

"According to well-placed sources in the Defense Department," writes SuperStation 95, "inquiries have been made by staff from the congressional leadership, asking if the camps created under the REX-84 program in the mid-1980s are available for use? When told ‘Yes' the congressional staff revealed that discussions are taking place among the highest levels of U.S. congressional leadership about possibly interning ALL Muslims in the United States. … The prevailing thinking is that Muslims of today represent a much more dangerous threat than the Japanese during World War 2 and if the U.S. is going to declare war upon ISIS, it may be necessary to control the Muslim population within the USA."

Speculation about whether to intern Muslims in America go back as far as July, in the wake of the Chattanooga, Tennessee, shootings in which four Marines and a Navy petty officer were killed by a 24-year-old Muslim man.

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#1. To: Don (#0)

France 'declares war' against ISIS: Start of WWIII?

Bwahahahahahahaahahahaaha.................. Wow, France dropped 20 bombs on nobody. That really is the start of WWIII.

потому что Бог хочет это тот путь

SOSO  posted on  2015-11-16   13:37:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: SOSO (#1)

Did you forget to read the part about the NATO Agreement?

Psalm 37 PRAY FOR PARIS

Don  posted on  2015-11-16   13:42:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Don (#2)

we invoked Article 5 after 9-11-01 .

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

tomder55  posted on  2015-11-16   14:05:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: tomder55, Don (#3)

we invoked Article 5 after 9-11-01 .

Article 4 provides, "The Parties will consult together whenever, in the opinion of any of them, the territorial integrity, political independence or security of any of the Parties is threatened." The process of invoking Article 5 begins with calling a meeting of the 28 NATO ambassadors to discuss the matter and decide on a course of action (or not).

http://dailysignal.com/2015/11/15/can-nato-be-involved-in-responding-to-paris-attacks-looking-at-article-5/

INTERNATIONAL COMMENTARY

Can NATO Be Involved in Responding to Paris Attacks? Looking at Article 5

Luke Coffey
Daily Signal
November 15, 2015

In light of the recent terrorist attacks in Paris, which resulted in at least 139 dead and another 350 wounded, there has been significant discussion about what role the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) should have, if any, in a response to the attacks. We asked Luke Coffey, the Margaret Thatcher Fellow at The Heritage Foundation, who closely follows NATO issues, what NATO’s options are.

Many commentators have been calling for NATO to invoke its Article 5 in response to the recent terrorist attacks in Paris. What is Article 5?

Article 5 of the 1949 Washington Treaty (also referred to as the North Atlantic Treaty) is NATO’s mutual defense clause. In a nutshell, the treaty states that an attack on one member is an attack on all NATO members. The treaty is vague regarding under which circumstances Article 5 can be invoked and this has been a topic of debate in recent years.

Has Article 5 ever been invoked?

In NATO’s 66-year history Article 5 has been invoked only once. It was invoked in early October 2001 in response to the 9-11 terrorist attacks against the U.S. that left almost 3,000 innocent people dead.

So what happened then?

In this case, invoking Article 5 resulted to two NATO-led military operations to help the U.S.

First was Operation Eagle Assist, which saw European surveillance plans helping to monitor U.S. airspace. This mission ended in April 2002. The second mission was Operation Active Endeavor, a counter-terrorism maritime mission in the Mediterranean Sea that continues today. Contrary to popular belief, the NATO-led mission in Afghanistan was not an Article 5 mission.

Will France invoke Article 5?

No single member in NATO can invoke Article 5 unilaterally. Article 5 can only be invoked when all 28 members of the Alliance agree to do so.

I do not think Article 5 should be invoked in this case. After all, NATO did not invoke Article 5 after the 2004 Madrid bombing, which left 191 dead and more than 1,800 wounded; the 2005 London bombings; or the Charlie Hebdo attack in Paris last January. Arguably, Article 5 has already been invoked to fight terrorism after 9/11. Although al-Qaeda and the Taliban were specifically mentioned at the time, so was terrorism in general.

Are there things NATO can do even if it doesn’t invoke Article 5?

Absolutely. In fact, the vast majority of NATO’s military operations have not been carried out under the auspices of Article 5, including the NATO mission in Afghanistan, Libya in 2011, fighting piracy off the Horn of Africa, and operations in the Balkans. Even if NATO decides to take military action in Syria or Iraq, there is no reason why Article 5 has to be first invoked.

If the attacks in Paris warrant a military response against ISIS, it is probably better if France works with like-minded partners inside NATO instead of through NATO with NATO in command. NATO-led military operations in Afghanistan and Libya have shown that “war by consensus” inside the Alliance can be slow, frustrating, and not very effective.

Wouldn’t more military capability be made available if NATO invoked Article 5?

Not really. While invoking Article 5 might be symbolic, it is unlikely to lead to additional military capability. As a collective security alliance, NATO is only as strong as its individual member states. For years NATO members on both sides of the Atlantic have been slashing their defense budgets. This should be reversed immediately.

We should also recognize that many of the tools used in counter-terrorism operations are not military in nature and therefore are not under the purview of NATO, such as law enforcement operations, certain kinds of intelligence gathering, and immigration and refugee policies.

The best thing NATO members can do right now to help France is to work and cooperate collectively on these issues and if the time comes for a military response in Syria, then to work together multilaterally. Frankly speaking, right now NATO has enough on its plate deterring Russian aggression in central and eastern Europe.

See also:

http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/11/14/natos-turn-to-attack-paris-terrorist-isis/

VOICE

NATO’s Turn to Attack

There’s a time for soft power and playing the long game. But the attacks in Paris prove the Islamic State is overdue for eradication.

By James Stavridis
Foreign Policy
November 14, 2015

nolu chan  posted on  2015-11-16   14:38:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Don (#2)

Did you forget to read the part about the NATO Agreement?

Did you forget to forget about NATO doing anything meaningful?

потому что Бог хочет это тот путь

SOSO  posted on  2015-11-16   14:40:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: tomder55, Don (#3)

we invoked Article 5 after 9-11-01 .

We won't do it now. In fact I'll bet that France will not publically ask for it.

потому что Бог хочет это тот путь

SOSO  posted on  2015-11-16   14:41:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: SOSO (#5)

Get real. WW1 started in much the same way. So, you have a problem with France. They are the "surrender monkeys," right? They can't possibly do anything of significance? Well, relax. The article merely talks about what might happen. I'm sure the Obama Government will save the day. Mighty Mouse always wins out in the end.

Psalm 37 PRAY FOR PARIS

Don  posted on  2015-11-16   14:47:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Don (#7)

So, you have a problem with France. They are the "surrender monkeys," right?

Don't be so quick to jump to conclusions. IMO in general France has shown more balls in dealing with radical Islam and with Iran than the U.S. or any of its European Union buddies.

The reason why I state that NATO Article 5 will not be invoked is becuase no- one it NATO, including France, wants it to be, especially the U.S. The West simply does not want to engage ISIS on the ground. That is the INLY way that ISIS will truely be contained, if not substantially destroyed. And given that none of the Muslim countries in ME want to do this eiether ISIS will continue to flourish and we in the West will continue to cower at the sound of firecrackers.

Just look a what just 7 (or 8) Islamic maniacs did to France and the rest of the world. France is now a de facto police state. The U.S. is not too far behind. What rational American doesn't harbor fears of going to a mall, sporting event, or any mass gathering? What rational American parent doesn't harbor feras for the safety of the kids in their schools? What rational Americn wants to plan a vacation in Europe, let alone Egypt, Turkey, etc.?

Mighty Mouse has left the building.

потому что Бог хочет это тот путь

SOSO  posted on  2015-11-16   15:08:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: SOSO (#8)

I can only repeat this. "Well, relax. The article merely talks about what might happen."

Psalm 37 PRAY FOR PARIS

Don  posted on  2015-11-16   15:33:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: nolu chan (#4)

NATO’s Turn to Attack

There’s a time for soft power and playing the long game. But the attacks in Paris prove the Islamic State is overdue for eradication

you don't need NATO to attack to have an effective response, many NATO members are already involved. This is not the beginning of WWIII. WWIII began on 9/11/2001, escalated when GWB attacked Iraq and has been continuing. However, bringing NATO in commits Turkey, so it is strategically important otherwise the allies will have no base of operations close to the war. Mobilising NATO will also allow Europe to stem the tide of migrants.

France's Hollande has vowed to destroy Daesh and France has sufficient military muscle on its own to carry out that threat, but invading Syria will have consequences

paraclete  posted on  2015-11-16   15:49:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: SOSO (#8)

What's wrong with planning to go in europe? I went there 2 years ago. It was great.

I wanted to go to Egypt for a little while but I changed my mind I even wanted to book cheap flight tickets to France earlier this year and the cheapest flight stopped in Turkey for 48 hours

ebonytwix  posted on  2015-11-16   15:51:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Don (#0)

10 planes and 20 bombs does NOT a war make. But it is nice to see the surrender monkeys finally, after 14 years, getting into it. 10 planes 20 bombs, wow, I'm unimpressed.

There is nothing on earth more dangerous than a terminal Vietnam Veteran.

BobCeleste  posted on  2015-11-16   16:37:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: paraclete (#10)

you don't need NATO to attack to have an effective response, many NATO members are already involved.

NATO is not needed, but if one wants to really screw things up, having NATO command in charge is useful. The acronym has been said to stand for Not Able To Organize, or No Action, Talk Only.

What is really needed is the resolve to identify a meaningful military objective. If there is an actual military objective, NATO is not needed to achieve it.

If a police action is envisioned to identify and catch individual criminals, that is an expensive, eternal mission, and the military is not a police force.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-11-16   18:11:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: BobCeleste, Don (#12)

10 planes and 20 bombs does NOT a war make.

Technically, a war requires two or more recognized nation states fighting each other. Less than that amounts to an "armed conflict of a non-international character." Under international law, it makes a difference to what international conventions are applicable.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-11-16   18:15:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: nolu chan (#13)

The U.S. Has spent many millions of our taxpayer monies on NATO. It's time we got back something from them.

Psalm 37 PRAY FOR PARIS

Don  posted on  2015-11-16   18:18:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Don (#15)

The U.S. Has spent many millions of our taxpayer monies on NATO. It's time we got back something from them.

Why do you want something more back? NATO has been the bulwark against Russia, isn't that enough or are you put out that all they did for you was fight your war in Afghanistan?

Honestly, sometimes I think the thinking is so lopsided as if you ever fought for them to gain advantage, or maybe you did

paraclete  posted on  2015-11-16   18:35:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: paraclete (#16) (Edited)

Are you really sure the Soviets even wanted to invade the West? I know they wanted their buffer zone, but otherwise I saw a lot of posturing, and I also know both sides had nukes. The MAD Principle cooled down a lot of tempers. (MAD - Mutually Assured Destruction)

Psalm 37 PRAY FOR PARIS

Don  posted on  2015-11-16   21:01:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: ebonytwix (#11)

What's wrong with planning to go in europe?

Be my guest.

потому что Бог хочет это тот путь

SOSO  posted on  2015-11-16   21:30:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: SOSO (#18)

Not all Europe is warzone, I have several dear friends in Europe.

ebonytwix  posted on  2015-11-16   21:37:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Don, TooConservative, CZ82, tomder55, liberator, GarySpFc, BobCeleste, Vicomte13, Chuck_Wagon, SOSO, *Islamic caliphate expansion* (#0)

NATO Mutual Defense Treaty. NATO's collective defense clause compels all NATO members – including America – to fight alongside France against ISIS.

Hmm. Tough one. France must also clear out their Muslim ghettos.

All the bombing of Jihadis in the ME won't decrease the threat within their walls.

They have some tough decisions to make. I don't think it is in their current "make up" to deport actual French citizens who happen to be dangerous Jihadis.

The more they bomb outside the walls (ME) the threat remains for attacks from within.

We are up the creek here in the US as well, but we do have an armed citizenry. Well in most parts of the country.

Obolo will somehow convince France that Israel is at fault. If the Brits never gave up "Palestine" to the Jews, we would not have Islamic terrorism. Yep that's what the emperor will do. Blame Israel and of course the Tea party.

"Seek ye the Lord while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near"---Isaiah 55:6

redleghunter  posted on  2015-11-16   21:50:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Don, TooConservative, CZ82, tomder55, liberator, GarySpFc, BobCeleste, Vicomte13, Chuck_Wagon, SOSO (#0)

If France involkes Article 5, it is essentially declaring war, not just an authorization for the use of military force.

If France invokes Article 5 it means the United States Army and Navy go to war...AF too!

France and the rest of Europe will provide aircraft, special forces, and bloated staffs for presence. The US will bleed on the ground and the USN will be on constant deployment.

But Obolo won't help France. So this bravado by the French will die on the vine like their incursions in North Africa.

"Seek ye the Lord while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near"---Isaiah 55:6

redleghunter  posted on  2015-11-16   21:57:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: redleghunter (#21)

Yeah. Obama would help ISIS fight the French. Probably not directly, of course. But, he is good at providing indirect support to the Muzzies.

Psalm 37 PRAY FOR PARIS

Don  posted on  2015-11-16   22:05:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Don, TooConservative, CZ82, tomder55, liberator, GarySpFc, BobCeleste, Vicomte13, Chuck_Wagon, SOSO (#2)

Did you forget to read the part about the NATO Agreement?

I did. France has no army or navy to speak of. Also only regional logistics capabilities (like Russia).

So if France declares war and invokes Article 5 it means US Soldiers and Marines fight on the ground with token NATO support at the staff level.

Article 5 was designed for the Cold War when France, UK, West Germany and a few others had a large standing army. Article 5 was designed to fast track a US president to rapidly deploy forces to Europe against a WARSAW pact invasion.

Should we expect Turkey to provide ground forces? No. Coming to the aid of NATO members means Turkey opens its ports and air force bases. That's it.

"Seek ye the Lord while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near"---Isaiah 55:6

redleghunter  posted on  2015-11-16   22:05:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: redleghunter (#20)

but we do have an armed citizenry.

Where? America is controlled by a POLICE STATE. The POLICE STATE SUSPECTS citizens with firearms. THE POLICE STATE permitted the infusion of terrorists into the country.

buckeroo  posted on  2015-11-16   22:05:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: ebonytwix (#19)

Not all Europe is warzone, I have several dear friends in Europe.

All of Europe is one bomb away from being so. I hope that you friends fare well.

потому что Бог хочет это тот путь

SOSO  posted on  2015-11-16   22:09:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: redleghunter (#20)

The more they bomb outside the walls (ME) the threat remains for attacks from within.

The more France bombs outside the walls,the larger the threat it is they face from attacks from within.

The way *I* see it and the way France (and America) need to see it is if these people put the Islamic conquest of the western world ahead of the survival of their adopted countries,they are enemy agent provocateurs as well as spies,and deserve to be put to death wherever and whenever you find them.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2015-11-16   22:10:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: tomder55 (#3)

we invoked Article 5 after 9-11-01 .

Look how long it took for that to get to the lowest denominator.

Other than the Brits we got token support.

NATO in Afghanistan is a US run operation. Sure our allies fly a few missions a day, provide aircraft for logistics and provide special forces. The largest presence is higher level staff on the NATO OEF HQs.

"Seek ye the Lord while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near"---Isaiah 55:6

redleghunter  posted on  2015-11-16   22:12:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: redleghunter (#21)

The EU has been talking about forming their own military. I can see the wisdom in doing that. It does work into the End Times scenario. Much has been said about the U.S. Not mentioned in the Bible. I can make a point that the Bible may mention it indirectly, but it doesn't matter yet. The Bible may not mention the U.S. Because it simply doesn't exist as it does now. If the Muslims do control the United States, it wouldn't help Israel in the final fight.

Psalm 37 PRAY FOR PARIS

Don  posted on  2015-11-16   22:13:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: SOSO (#25)

My son and his family live in Germany. Things might get interesting there.

Psalm 37 PRAY FOR PARIS

Don  posted on  2015-11-16   22:15:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Don (#0)

"Russia is defending Syria to assist Syrian President Bashar Assad," notes SuperStation95. "When NATO goes to get ISIS, they will necessarily have to go into Syria … where Russia is defending. Will Russia relent and let NATO attack? Or will Russia decide this NATO action is a thinly disguised effort to unseat Bashar Assad, and cause Russia to battle NATO?"

And that is the prime question,isn't it?

IMHO,Pooty Poot is on the knife edge of insane,and might just order Russian Forces to attack Nato forces if NATO goes into Syria.

Will the Russian military and 2nd tier political forces band together to ignore Putin and throw him out of office if he tries to start WW-3 to save his ego as well as save Assad,or will they let the madman steer Russia into becoming "USSR,Part 2"?

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2015-11-16   22:17:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: buckeroo (#24)

Well, of course, the citizens could roll over belly up for the Marxists. Or, maybe not.

Psalm 37 PRAY FOR PARIS

Don  posted on  2015-11-16   22:18:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Don (#7) (Edited)

Get real. WW1 started in much the same way.

It started over much less. It was a family fight that got out of hand,and millions died as a result.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2015-11-16   22:19:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: sneakypete (#30) (Edited)

All in all, this might be WW3. I'm just thinking the Islamists would lose.

Psalm 37 PRAY FOR PARIS

Don  posted on  2015-11-16   22:19:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: ebonytwix (#11)

You live in Israel?

"Seek ye the Lord while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near"---Isaiah 55:6

redleghunter  posted on  2015-11-16   22:20:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Don (#33)

All in all, this might be WW3.

It may well happen unless the Russian Army moves to take Putin out of power.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2015-11-16   22:20:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: sneakypete (#26) (Edited)

people's solution is to kill off religion and refuse to see differences and just love each other. This kind of reasoning annoys the hell out of me. A lot of people are HUGE idiots.

ebonytwix  posted on  2015-11-16   22:21:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: redleghunter (#34)

No, why?

ebonytwix  posted on  2015-11-16   22:22:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: nolu chan (#13)

What is really needed is the resolve to identify a meaningful military objective. If there is an actual military objective, NATO is not needed to achieve it.

If a police action is envisioned to identify and catch individual criminals, that is an expensive, eternal mission, and the military is not a police force.

Yep.

"Seek ye the Lord while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near"---Isaiah 55:6

redleghunter  posted on  2015-11-16   22:23:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: SOSO (#8)

The reason why I state that NATO Article 5 will not be invoked is becuase no- one it NATO, including France, wants it to be, especially the U.S. The West simply does not want to engage ISIS on the ground.

That is the INLY way that ISIS will truely be contained, if not substantially destroyed. And given that none of the Muslim countries in ME want to do this eiether ISIS will continue to flourish and we in the West will continue to cower at the sound of firecrackers.

The politicians are afraid of voter revolt,as well as the checks from Saudi Arabia stopping.

That is the INLY way that ISIS will truely be contained, if not substantially destroyed.

And given that none of the Muslim countries in ME want to do this eiether ISIS will continue to flourish and we in the West will continue to cower at the sound of firecrackers.

A ground war in the Muddle East is not only unnecessary,it is foolish. We have the ability to shut ISIS down in less than 48 hours if we had the stones. All we have to do is cut off their money by seizing all their bank accounts in the west and closing their borders to imports and exports. Nobody in,nobody out.

Yeah,we would also have to shut down the Saudi's too,but that is long overdue anyhow.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2015-11-16   22:27:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: sneakypete (#32)

Family fight, yes. The nations had support agreements in the event of a food fight. Things did get very much out of control.

Psalm 37 PRAY FOR PARIS

Don  posted on  2015-11-16   22:28:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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