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Title: Bush Says No National Right to Gun Ownership?
Source: The Shooters Log
URL Source: http://blog.cheaperthandirt.com/jeb ... snonationalrighttogunownership
Published: Nov 15, 2015
Author: Dave Dolbee
Post Date: 2015-11-15 17:52:30 by Don
Keywords: None
Views: 30412
Comments: 205

Bush Says No National Right to Gun Ownership?

By Dave Dolbee published on November 10, 2015 in News

Jeb Bush recently made an appearance on the The Late Show with Stephen Colbert when the subject of whether there is a national right to gun ownership came up. Bush’s answer may be concerning to many, but let’s reserve judgment until we look at the entire story. However, whether his answer was his true opinion or a gaff, is concerning.

During the interview, Colbert asked a written-in question regarding the Constitution and whether it implied a national right to gun ownership. Jeb Bush, a staunch supporter of the Second Amendment, veered a bit off course when his answer drifted to the Tenth Amendment and a state’s right to legislate gun ownership.

The question was a bit of a gotcha and certainly anti-Second Amendment in its nature. Jeb handled it well talking about how Florida was a pro-Second Amendment state under his leadership and to keep the guns out of hands of criminals or the mentally ill, they had background checks. He went on to say the common root of mass shootings was almost always proven to be mental illness. However, it was in the follow-up question that Jeb might have taken a left turn.

Second Amendment

Stephen Colbert: Well, the right to have an individual firearm to protect yourself is a national document, in the Constitution, so shouldn’t the way that is also be applied be national?

Jeb Bush: No. Not necessarily… There’s a Tenth Amendment to our country, the Bill of Rights has a Tenth Amendment that powers are given to the states to create policy, and the federal government is not the end all and be all. That’s an important value for this country, and it’s an important federalist system that works quite well.

On the face, that is pretty damning to the argument of whether the Second Amendment is a right or privilege. Jeb’s campaign quickly got out in front of the issue with a clarification. The clarification reiterated that Jeb is a strong supporter of the Second Amendment. Jeb’s argument was that states should be able to use the Tenth Amendment to pass laws that expand gun rights—but that is double-edged sword.

Governor Bush is a strong Second Amendment advocate and reiterated his view that the federal government should not be passing new gun control laws. He believes in states rights and as Governor of Florida, he used the Tenth Amendment to expand gun rights with a “Six Pack of Freedom” bill and received an A+ rating from the NRA.

A Double-Edged Sword…

While I like the federal government not being able to limit my rights, I do not favor a state being able to limit my rights. One of my degrees is in political science and I have taken more than a couple of classes on the Constitution and Constitutional law. That being said, I am far from a Constitutional scholar.

However, I believe I understand a bit of where Jeb was trying to get to. The states are supposed to have as much power as the federal government—this is the heart of the federal system. According to the Tenth Amendment, the federal government possesses only those powers delegated to it by the United States Constitution. All remaining powers are reserved for the states or the people.

So, how can using the Tenth Amendment to give states’ rights allow those same states to regulate the Second Amendment? Isn’t that the purpose of the Bill of Rights? Doesn’t the Bill of Rights grant you and me specific rights that shall not be infringed? Do states have the power to expand or limit freedom of speech or unlawful search or seizure? Both the federal government and the state must respect the Bill of Rights.

In hindsight, like I have already stated, I can see where he was trying to go with his argument. The court has allowed the states some latitude to pass and enforce certain laws regulating firearms. At that point, the common belief that the Second Amendment is an absolute right is moot. Perhaps the best way to expand our Second Amendment rights is through the states. It is not perfect, but there is less risk of an all out gun ban that way.

You’ll have to decide for yourself what Jeb really meant. In the end, we all wish Jeb had said the Second Amendment is a Constitutional right and neither a federal nor a state government has the power to limit that right. Whether or not he could have backed that up in front of the Supreme Court, is the attitude most, if not all, of us would like him to have taken.

I am sure most of you have already picked out your preferred candidate. I am not trying to sway your opinion toward or against any particular candidate or party. However, on the subject of the Second Amendment and gun rights, where does the state under the Tenth Amendment or the federal government’s authority end? Where should it end?

Share your answers or opinions regarding Jeb’s answer of the Tenth Amendment in the comment section.

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#119. To: misterwhite (#110)

Correct. Better to say "The individual RKBA was protected by state constitutions in those states which chose to protect the right".

I didn't realize Blackstone had a lisp.

Better to say some states chose to adopt the bulk of the English common law in their constitution and some chose to do so by statute law. All 13 did, one way or another. Rhode Island did not have a constitution until 1842 when its first constitution replaced its charter of 1663.

The original U.S. Supreme Court opinions, as published in 1 Dallas (1 U.S.) shared the Blackstone lisp, being printed with the olde English font.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-11-17   21:54:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#120. To: tpaine (#113)

McDonald slip op at 39-40: --- It is important to keep in mind that Heller, while striking down a law that prohibited the possession of handguns in the home, recognized that the right to keep and bear arms is not “a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose.” 554 U. S., at ___ (slip op., at 54). We made it clear in Heller that our holding did not cast doubt on such longstanding regulatory measures as “prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill,” “laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms.” Id., at ___–___ (slip op., at 54–55). We repeat those assurances here. Despite municipal respondents’ doomsday proclamations, incorporation does not imperil every law regulating firearms.

Yep, -- the above 'slip opinion' is a perfect example of an erroneous SCOTUS 'ruling' that can safely be ignored, as it only applies to this case and to Heller,

No, you silly twit, that SCOTUS slip op is from McDonald v. Chicago. Dick Heller was not a party to it.

SCOTUS was citing and quoting from Heller as precedent applicable to McDonald.

While you may claim it is safe to ignore Heller, it is obvious that the U.S. Supreme Court did not do so in McDonald.

Fail.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-11-17   22:06:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#121. To: Roscoe (#116)

He won't know what a slip opinion is.

He certainly doesn't know that the McDonald slip op is not the opinion in Heller.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-11-17   22:08:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#122. To: nolu chan (#121) (Edited)

You tend to "get into" your own posts that broadcast judicial decisions. You appear to suggest you agree with any court decision. Why is that? Don't YOU have a unique opinion besides copying and pasting text?

buckeroo  posted on  2015-11-17   22:17:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#123. To: Roscoe (#115)

Besides, if your "logic" was true and police have no Second Amendment rights,

I'm beginning to suspect you aren't smart enough to be a retard.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2015-11-17   22:25:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#124. To: tpaine, Dead Culture Watch, misterwhite, roscoe (#117)

The only piece of paper in the USA that matters, that reflects how the real world works, is our Constitution.

And even then, the Constitution means nothing if a provision does not meet with the approval of tpaine. In the tpaine Court of the Imagination, the 18th Amendment was unconstitutional.

http://www2.libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=39707&Disp=101#C101

"And amendments to the constitution can be deemed unconstitutional."

-- tpaine, 2015-11-17 19:05:44 ET

Just one of many, many examples.

tpaine has never quite been able to identify the "deemer" who deems amendments to be unconstitutional. Presumably it is tpaine as Chief Justice of his Court of the Imagination.

If "[t]he only piece of paper in the USA that matters, that reflects how the real world works, is our Constitution," then 1 U.S. thru 557 U.S. may be thrown in the trash, with all more recent, unbound slip op opinions of the U.S. Supreme Court.

It sounds like Jeff Probst recently reading votes on Survivor for Kelley who had just played her immunity idol.

Brown v. Board of Education. Does not count. Roe v. Wade. Does not court. D.C. v Heller. Does not count. McDonald v. Chicago. Does not count. Obergefell v. Hodges. Does not count.

All are invited to argue to SCOTUS that their opinions do not count.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-11-17   22:36:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#125. To: nolu chan (#120)

--- the above 'slip opinion' is a perfect example of an erroneous SCOTUS 'ruling' that can safely be ignored, as it only applies to this case and to Heller, ---

SCOTUS was citing and quoting from Heller as precedent applicable to McDonald.

Yep, just as I wrote. --- We agree, -- except you may be obsessing about precedent again. Precedent doesn't change constitutional law.

While you may claim it is safe to ignore Heller, it is obvious that the U.S. Supreme Court did not do so in McDonald.

SCOTUS makes a lot of stupid opinions. Too bad you aren't smart enough to understand that...

tpaine  posted on  2015-11-17   22:37:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#126. To: buckeroo (#122)

You tend to "get into" your own posts that broadcast judicial decisions. You appear to suggest you agree with any court decision. Why is that? Don't YOU have a unique opinion besides copying and pasting text?

I try to post things that you cannot understand to keep you occupied.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-11-17   22:37:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#127. To: nolu chan (#126)

On another note...We are getting close to the holidays. Hillary Clinton is not in an orange jump suit.

"Seek ye the Lord while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near"---Isaiah 55:6

redleghunter  posted on  2015-11-17   22:41:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#128. To: tpaine (#125)

Yep, just as I wrote. --- We agree, -- except you may be obsessing about precedent again. Precedent doesn't change constitutional law.

No, we did not agree about what you wrote -- that the slip op opinion in McDonald only applies to Dick Heller.

SCOTUS makes a lot of stupid opinions. Too bad you aren't smart enough to understand that...

Even the dumbest SCOTUS opinion counts. Too bad you are not smart enough to understand that.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-11-17   22:42:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#129. To: nolu chan (#126)

Really? How do your figure your own "awesomeness" to even attempt playing mind games mr. chan?

buckeroo  posted on  2015-11-17   22:42:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#130. To: redleghunter (#127)

On another note...We are getting close to the holidays. Hillary Clinton is not in an orange jump suit.

It increasingly looks like she will not be. On the other hand, Donald Trump is still firmly in the lead, followed by Ben Carson and Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio. Jeb Bush continues to lead from behind.

Do you think the FBI will finish their investigation before 2017?

nolu chan  posted on  2015-11-17   22:45:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#131. To: buckeroo (#129)

Really? How do your figure your own "awesomeness" to even attempt playing mind games mr. chan?

I evaluate the awesomeness of your posts. I evaluate the awesomeness of mine. And I just go, damn, I'm awesome.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-11-17   22:54:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#132. To: nolu chan (#131)

And I just go, damn, I'm awesome.

Mr. chan ... you masturbate wayy too much at your old age; you could die of a heart attack seeing your reflection in the mirror.

buckeroo  posted on  2015-11-17   22:57:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#133. To: nolu chan (#128)

SCOTUS makes a lot of stupid opinions. Too bad you aren't smart enough to understand that...

Even the dumbest SCOTUS opinion counts.

Of course it does, -- to the case at issue, and to pendants like you; --- which I've noted above, remember?

Too bad you are not smart enough to understand that.

Everyone here is starting to 'understand' you nolu. And it ain't a pretty picture, believe me..

tpaine  posted on  2015-11-17   23:03:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#134. To: buckeroo (#132)

Chan thinks Trump is the answer. Watch what happens.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2015-11-17   23:05:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#135. To: sneakypete (#123)

Lemme know when you find the clause in the Second Amendment stating that agents of state and local governments "are NOT protected by the Second Amendment" against federal infringements. Did you read that in your copy of Constimutushunal Law for Tards?

Your infatuation with centralized government is pretty creepy there, Sneaky.

Roscoe  posted on  2015-11-18   0:18:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#136. To: nolu chan (#131)

And I just go, damn, I'm awesome.

Against his low bar, we all are. Except maybe for pstain.

Roscoe  posted on  2015-11-18   0:20:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#137. To: nolu chan (#130)

Do you think the FBI will finish their investigation before 2017?

I caught some rumblings watching Fox yesterday the real damning data from the server will take 4 years to sort out. So it's going to take some time. Don't know why.

Well of course we do. If she is elected President she can slow the process more. So basically she is running for her life now.

"Seek ye the Lord while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near"---Isaiah 55:6

redleghunter  posted on  2015-11-18   0:40:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#138. To: Roscoe (#135)

Lemme know when you find the clause in the Second Amendment stating that agents of state and local governments "are NOT protected by the Second Amendment"

They ARE the government,you dumbass.

The Bill of Rights exists to protect the PEOPLE,NOT the government.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2015-11-18   5:32:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#139. To: sneakypete (#138)

They ARE the government

You big government lovers ALWAYS lie and claim that state and local governments are THE government. That's dead a giveaway for spotting your kind. You hate the legacy of multiple distinct governments and dual sovereignty created for us by our framers and founders.

Roscoe  posted on  2015-11-18   6:28:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#140. To: nolu chan (#124)

It sounds like Jeff Probst recently reading votes on Survivor for Kelley who had just played her immunity idol.

Brown v. Board of Education. Does not count. Roe v. Wade. Does not court. D.C. v Heller. Does not count. McDonald v. Chicago. Does not count. Obergefell v. Hodges. Does not count.

Funny. (And what a great move by Kelley.)

misterwhite  posted on  2015-11-18   8:50:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#141. To: Roscoe (#139)

You big government lovers ALWAYS lie and claim that state and local governments are THE government. That's dead a giveaway for spotting your kind. You hate the legacy of multiple distinct governments and dual sovereignty created for us by our framers and founders.

You are not only an idiot,but proud of it.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2015-11-18   8:58:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#142. To: sneakypete (#141)

You count on big government to spread your perversion.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-11-18   9:07:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#143. To: nolu chan (#124)

So you watch survivor. I wouldn't have guessed that.

I watch too on occasion.

In fact I saw that episode. First one this year.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-11-18   9:08:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#144. To: A K A Stone (#142)

You count on big government to spread your perversion.

Which one of us promotes a religious government?

Which one of us promotes a government with the authority to control people's thoughts and sex lives?

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2015-11-18   9:27:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#145. To: sneakypete (#141)

You count on big government to spread your perversion.

Roscoe  posted on  2015-11-18   9:57:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#146. To: Roscoe (#145) (Edited)

You count on big government to spread your perversion.

Is that you,Yu-Tard?

Out of rehab again?

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2015-11-18   10:08:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#147. To: sneakypete (#146)

You worship THE government.

A K A Stone to sneakypete, "You count on big government to spread your perversion."

Roscoe  posted on  2015-11-18   10:11:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#148. To: Roscoe (#147)

You worship THE government.

You just have to keep insisting over and over that you are a world-class fool,don't you?

YOU are the one saying cops can't be disarmed,*I* am the one saying they CAN be disarmed BECAUSE they are agents of the government,and the government is NOT protected by the 2nd Amendment or any other Amendment in the Bill of Rights,yet you keep insisting *I* am the one that loves Big Government.

You make Goober Gore and Barry Obomber look intelligent by comparison.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2015-11-18   13:14:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#149. To: misterwhite (#140)

Funny. (And what a great move by Kelley.)

I liked the faces Ciera was making. If the nine had organized and split their vote 6-3 or 5-4, they could have succeeded in taking out one of the target three, despite the idol.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-11-18   13:25:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#150. To: tpaine (#133)

SCOTUS makes a lot of stupid opinions. Too bad you aren't smart enough to understand that...

I'm smart enough to understand that their "stupid" opinions count and your stupid opinions do not.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-11-18   13:27:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#151. To: nolu chan (#149)

"If the nine had organized and split their vote 6-3 or 5-4"

I couldn't believe they didn't split the vote. What were they thinking?

I don't think Ciera is long for this world. Abi got smart and shut up.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-11-18   14:11:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#152. To: sneakypete, Roscoe (#148)

YOU are the one saying cops can't be disarmed,*I* am the one saying they CAN be disarmed BECAUSE they are agents of the government,and the government is NOT protected by the 2nd Amendment or any other Amendment in the Bill of Rights,yet you keep insisting *I* am the one that loves Big Government.

Roscoe is right, you are wrong. The Second Amendment applies to government employees and active duty military. The entire Bill of Rights applies to government agents and employees. The First Amendment right to free speech. The Fourth Amendment protection from unlawful search and seizure. The Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination. The First Amentment starts, "Congress shall make no law...." It explicitly applies to the government and its agents.

Heck, a better example of an RKBA exception is prison inmates. We would not want them packing heat.

The RKBA may not be infringed.

The RKBA is not a right to keep and bear arms under any and all circumstances. It was not such a right under English common law for the colonists, and it was not such a right when brought into the states by the former colonists.

The RKBA has exceptions as provided by law since before there was a United States. It has never protected a right for prison inmates to keep and bear arms.

If you are an employee, your employer can prohibit the bearing of arms while acting as an employee. If Wal*Mart prohibits its employees from carrying at work, it would not infer the 2nd Amendment does not apply to them. It would mean that the RKBA does not provide the right under the circumstances. It is not an infringement of the RKBA, when the right does not exist under the circumstances.

The RKBA in Federal facilities is restricted by Federal law.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/930

U.S. Code › Title 18 › Part I › Chapter 44 › § 930

18 U.S. Code § 930 - Possession of firearms and dangerous weapons in Federal facilities

(a) Except as provided in subsection (d), whoever knowingly possesses or causes to be present a firearm or other dangerous weapon in a Federal facility (other than a Federal court facility), or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 1 year, or both.

(b) Whoever, with intent that a firearm or other dangerous weapon be used in the commission of a crime, knowingly possesses or causes to be present such firearm or dangerous weapon in a Federal facility, or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both.

(c) A person who kills any person in the course of a violation of subsection (a) or (b), or in the course of an attack on a Federal facility involving the use of a firearm or other dangerous weapon, or attempts or conspires to do such an act, shall be punished as provided in sections 1111, 1112, 1113, and 1117.

(d) Subsection (a) shall not apply to—

(1) the lawful performance of official duties by an officer, agent, or employee of the United States, a State, or a political subdivision thereof, who is authorized by law to engage in or supervise the prevention, detection, investigation, or prosecution of any violation of law;

(2) the possession of a firearm or other dangerous weapon by a Federal official or a member of the Armed Forces if such possession is authorized by law; or

(3) the lawful carrying of firearms or other dangerous weapons in a Federal facility incident to hunting or other lawful purposes.

[snip]

During the administration of G.H.W. Bush:

http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a272176.pdf

DOD Directive 5210-56 (25 Feb 1992) Use of Deadly Force and the Carrying of Firearms by DoD Personnel Engaged in Law Enforcement and Security Duties

D. POLICY

It is DoD Policy:

1. To limit and control the carrying of firearms by DoD military and civilian personnel. The authorization to carry firearms shall be issued only to qualified personnel when there is a reasonable expectation that life or DoD assets will be jeopardized if firearms are not carried. Evaluation of the necessity to carry a firearm shall be made considering this expectation weighed against the possible consequences of accidental or indiscriminate use of firearms. DoD personnel regularly engaged in law enforcement or security duties shall be armed. Procedures on authorization to carry and the carrying of firearms are in enclosure 1.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-11-18   14:24:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#153. To: nolu chan (#150)

SCOTUS makes a lot of stupid opinions. Too bad you aren't smart enough to understand that...

I'm smart enough to understand that their "stupid" opinions count and your stupid opinions do not.

Below is an opinion that I agree with, --- do you?

Article VI of the Constitution makes the Constitution the "supreme Law of the Land." In 1803, Chief Justice Marshall, speaking for a unanimous Court, referring to the Constitution as "the fundamental and paramount law of the nation," declared in the notable case of Marbury v. Madison, 1 Cranch 137, 177, that; ----

It is also not entirely unworthy of observation, that in declaring what shall be the supreme law of the land, the constitution itself is first mentioned; and not the laws of the United States generally, but those only which shall be made in pursuance of the constitution, have that rank.

Thus, the particular phraseology of the constitution of the United States confirms and strengthens the principle, supposed to be essential to all written constitutions, that a law repugnant to the constitution is void, and that courts, as well as other departments, are bound by that instrument.

- See more at: caselaw.findlaw.com/us-supreme- court/5/137.html#sthash.xshj4p5F.dpuf

tpaine  posted on  2015-11-18   14:29:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#154. To: sneakypete (#148)

YOU are the one saying cops can't be disarmed,*I* am the one saying they CAN be disarmed BECAUSE they are agents of the government

There you go with that "the government" tell again.

In Federalist No. 45, Madison wrote: "The powers delegated to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite."

Why are you so obsessed with wanting to abolish our nation's system of multiple governments? Is it that you hate the framers? Is it that nobody ever took the time to explain the United States' Constitution to you and now you're too embarrassed to admit it? Please, explain yourself.

A K A Stone to sneakypete, "You count on big government to spread your perversion."

Roscoe  posted on  2015-11-18   15:48:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#155. To: nolu chan (#152)

Roscoe is right, you are wrong. The Second Amendment applies to government employees and active duty military.

You are as full of shit as a Christmas goose.

Government employees,including cops and military members only have rights when they are off-duty and out of uniform.

I PERSONALLY know of a senior NCO at Fort Bragg that had his company commander (a LTC) confiscate his privately-owned guns from his off-base house after he was arrested for drunk driving off base.

This same company commander put the word out that he would court-martial any man in his company that was caught on Bragg with a privately owned weapon in his possession,even if it was in a car,and even if they had a NC CCW permit.

Piece of shit reserve SF Colonel from Mass that used his political connections to get on AD. Last I heard he got transferred from Bragg to Thailand to avoid the stink of him breaking and entering the MSG's house off base to seize his privately-owned weapons and ammunition,and them dump them all in Lott Lake.

I heard later that the MSG got a civilian lawyer to represent him because the LTC was trying to get him reduced in rank,and the MSG's lawyer was trying to get the Fayetteville PD to arrest the LTC for felony theft and breaking and entering.

The compromise they reached was the MSG was allowed to retire with his rank and was paid damages for the financial losses he had suffered,and the LTC went to Thailand,where he was promoted to Full Colonel.

Last I heard a few years ago was he had been transferred to the Pentagram and was going to be promoted to General.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2015-11-18   18:17:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#156. To: Roscoe (#154)

What the HELL are you ranting about? You make no sense because you have no sense.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2015-11-18   18:19:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#157. To: sneakypete (#155)

Government employees,including cops and military members only have rights when they are off-duty and out of uniform.

No right to life? Only you and BLM think so.

A K A Stone to sneakypete, "You count on big government to spread your perversion."

Roscoe  posted on  2015-11-18   18:20:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#158. To: Roscoe (#157)

No right to life?

No.

How well do you think the US invasion of Europe in 1944 would have gone if soldiers had refused to get on the ships because "I might lose my life or be injured!"?

Cops swear a oath to defend the citizens,which means they are also obligated to run into gunfire if necessary to protect the public.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.

sneakypete  posted on  2015-11-18   18:48:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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