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Foreign Invaders crisis cost $150B in 2023, forcing some areas to cut police and fire services: report Israel kills head of Hezbollah Intelligence. Status: Not Logged In; Sign In International News See other International News Articles Title: BREAKING: At least 35 reported dead, 100 hostages taken in Paris attacks Source: Fox News URL Source: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/1 ... ootout-and-explosion-in-paris/ Published: Nov 13, 2015 Author: Fox news Post Date: 2015-11-13 18:17:47 by redleghunter Ping List: *Islamic caliphate expansion*     Subscribe to *Islamic caliphate expansion* Keywords: None Views: 9178 Comments: 96 DEVELOPING - At least 35 people were killed and more than 100 hostages were being held in Paris Friday night, after at least three coordinated terror attacks rocked the French capital and prompted President Francois Hollande to order the entire nation's borders closed. The attacks are believed to have involved at least two suicide bombers, including one which detonated near the city's Stade de France, soccer stadium where the French and German national teams were playing in a match attended by Hollande. Simultaneous attacks are a trademark of terrorist operations. Click for Full Text! Subscribe to *Islamic caliphate expansion* Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Comments (1-55) not displayed.       .       .       . #56. To: ebonytwix, CZ82, liberator, BorisY (#19) and now I'm arguing with people on another forum who are cheering this on because they believe all French people account for colonial crimes against indigenous peoples... I haven't felt such pain for a country.. in forever. Which site? We'll send BorisY there to set them straight:) "Seek ye the Lord while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near"---Isaiah 55:6 redleghunter  posted on  2015-11-14   0:44:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #57. To: paraclete (#37) Let's not get carried away, we don't know the reason for this yet, more than 150 dead but why? I did not see the sarcasm tag. You're kidding right? When Jihadis kill in bunches the motivation is clear. They want non Muslims and nominal Muslims to die in droves. "Seek ye the Lord while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near"---Isaiah 55:6 redleghunter  posted on  2015-11-14   0:48:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #58. To: ebonytwix, *Islamic caliphate expansion* (#50) Is it true Islam always want to impose itself on different groups and can't get along? Or is it people exaggerating things? While in Iraq I met some of the hardest working people who loved their families and lived peacefully. Unfortunately they get killed by the majority of psychopaths in their region. There are not enough of the good ones. The good ones die or are threatened into compliance. Just how it is in most of the ME Muslim countries. "Seek ye the Lord while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near"---Isaiah 55:6 redleghunter  posted on  2015-11-14   0:59:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #59. To: redleghunter, paraclete (#57) When Jihadis kill in bunches the motivation is clear. They want non Muslims and nominal Muslims to die in droves. The U.S. and French have been bombing the ISIS controlled oil fields. That hurts in the pocket. nolu chan  posted on  2015-11-14   1:01:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #60. To: redleghunter, Stoner, CZ82, tomder55, SOSO, rlk, GarySpFc, Chuck_Wagon, Don, Justified (#51) Think the French will be ready to take in more "refugees"? Of course they will and so will Germany and others. I would not bet on French acceptance. Recently, Marine Le Pen and the National Front party have been leading in the French polls. The -e candidates weren't doing all that well in France before these attacks. This should give Le Pen's party a significant bounce. Note that the muslims in France are not a mass of illegal aliens. Most are French citizens or legal residents. However, many of those have not been assimilated into French society. http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/11/12/french-political-elites-panic-marine-le-pen-gains-ground/ French Political Elites Panic As Marine Le Pen Gains Ground by Simon Kent Breitbart 12 Nov 2015 A report in Liberation suggests all options are on the table for Mr. Valls as the traditional French political landscape fractures. The newspaper reports the prime minister is already hearing privately from his advisers that a new “republican front” – or merger of the left and centre is necessary to block Ms. Le Pen’s insurgent anti-Europe, anti mass immigration push. An insider close to the prime minister is quoted: “You have to consider all hypotheses… We must do everything to prevent the National Front.” Europe’s migrant invasion, coupled with strengthening support for Marine Le Pen’s National Front (NF) is causing panic in French political circles. The situation is perceived as so dire that Prime Minister Manuel Valls is considering alliances between the centre right, and even far left factions to attempt to see off the threat from Ms. Le Pen’s party. As Breitbart London has reported, Ms. Le Pen has been warning of the consequences of open-ended migration from the Middle East and what it will mean not just for the future of France but all of Europe. Her opponents try and define her message as “racist” and “xenophobic” when she says “The absolute rejection of Islamic fundamentalism must be proclaimed loudly and clearly” but voters are listening. “Without any action, this migratory influx will be like the barbarian invasion of the 4th century, and the consequences will be the same,” Le Pen told a recent rally. “We must immediately stop this madness to safeguard our social pact, freedom and identity. “Sarkozy opened the door, and Hollande and [Prime Minister Manuel] Valls have taken them off the hinges,” continued the 47-year old politician. “The leaders offer to host migrants, without even asking their inhabitants, the same leaders who destroyed Libya, and continue to destabilise Syria.” The FN leader’s message is simple, to the point and being heard. She is anti-EU, anti-Schengen open borders and anti-meddling bureaucrats in Brussels and Strasbourg. All of that scares the traditional political alliances which have been content to divide the spoils of French power between for more than a century. France is home to Europe’s largest Muslim community, making up about 7.7 per cent of the population, and their numbers have been growing with children and grandchildren of those who arrived from the country’s former colonies in North Africa during the 20th century. Ms. Le Pen can sense the feeling of distress across the nation as voters feel they have been abandoned to their fate by legacy parties allowing that influx – without consultation. They feel no affinity for the ‘multi-cultural’ France they believe is being foisted on them. France faces its next national elections in 2017 but before then there will be next month’s regional elections. Ms. Le Pen is set to win control of France’s northernmost area, a recent opinion poll showed, with her niece possibly coming first too in the south-eastern Provence-Alpes-Cote d’Azur region. The same poll showed the ruling Socialists who currently dominate the regional assemblies winning just three regions or being wiped out altogether. On that basis alone, it’s little wonder Ms. Len Pen is causing such panic in the comfortable salons of France’s political elites. http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/11/13/marine-le-pen-tops-another-french-presidency-poll/ Marine Le Pen Tops ANOTHER French Presidency Poll by Raheem Kassam Breitbart 13 Nov 2015 nolu chan  posted on  2015-11-14   1:09:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #61. To: nolu chan (#59) These terrorist cells normally do not attack based on lost economics. Their prime reason for attacking is because they can. The opportunity is there. They are sentimental in that dates which mean something (9/11/12 Benghazi) are target dates. If the date is important they look for the path of least resistance thus attack a lightly and incompetently guarded embassy annex. The attack tonight was more opportunity. It was rehearsed and surveillance conducted over months. The trigger was a series of events where they could maximize casualties. "Seek ye the Lord while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near"---Isaiah 55:6 redleghunter  posted on  2015-11-14   1:11:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #62. To: redleghunter (#61) These terrorist cells normally do not attack based on lost economics. Normally their lost economics are not their primary source of income. They did not just attack an annex in Benghazi. That was the regional CIA HQ for running arms to anti-government groups in Syria. Who or what was in the CIA annex?? We have never been given a reasonable explanation of why they were there and what they were doing. Note: there was neither an embassy nor was there a consulate in Benghazi. nolu chan  posted on  2015-11-14   1:34:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #63. To: nolu chan (#62) All good points. "Seek ye the Lord while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near"---Isaiah 55:6 redleghunter  posted on  2015-11-14   2:01:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #64. To: redleghunter, All (#0) Look at what chaos, military clamp down, fear, social disruption, etc. that just eight Islamic maniacs caused. REPEAT: JUST EIGHT ISLAMIC MANIACS CAUSED THIS AMAZING AMOUNT, A HISTORIC AMOUNT OF DISRUPTION IN FRANCE AND AROUND THE WORLD. How many of these Islamic maniacs are already here in the U.S.? HOw many will Obama let into the country in the short-near term? потому что Бог хочет это тот путь SOSO  posted on  2015-11-14   2:06:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #65. To: Dead Culture Watch (#30) The Shrub imported over 100,000 Muslims a year AFTER 911. His effing Nation Security "Czar" (Tom Ridge) highest priority was to make sure that safety procedures didn't slow down NAFTA Trucks. Can't let the bombing of the World Trade Center interfere with the downsizing and outsourcing of American Jobs, you know. Willie Green  posted on  2015-11-14   3:03:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #66. To: redleghunter (#58) The good ones die or are threatened into compliance. Just how it is in most of the ME Muslim countries. The same thing happens in minority neighborhoods all over this country. There are good people living there,but in order to survive and protect their families they have to stay quiet and hope to not attract any attention from the professional thugs that are the REAL "law" where they live. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them. sneakypete  posted on  2015-11-14   3:10:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #67. To: redleghunter (#49) We have several German friends who want to string up Merkel. Sounds like they have their priorities straight... :) Vegetarians eat vegetables. Beware of humanitarians! CZ82  posted on  2015-11-14   7:37:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #68. To: ebonytwix (#50) (Edited) Is it true Islam always want to impose itself on different groups and can't get along? Or is it people exaggerating things? The World Trade Center, Kuta, Madrid, London, Paris - obviously these things are not exaggerations. Obviously the problem lies within Islam, both as a religion and as a culture. From a purely religious standpoint, the Koran mostly reads like the Old Testament, with one distinction: the Hebrews were told to go into Canaan and take it all, slaughtering everybody in the Promised land who did not flee before them, until all of that land was theirs. In the Koran, Allah told the Muslims the same thing, except that the Promised Land was the whole planet, and the defeated peoples did not need to be slaughtered if they submitted and converted (submission and conversion was not an option given to the Canaanites, only flee or die). Of course, YHWH gave the Canaanites somewhere to flee TO - anywhere outside of Canaan. But Allah gives Muslims the whole world and everybody in it, according to the Koran. Now, this is as hard to deal with as anything else in a people's Scripture, and Middle Eastern culture in general makes it that much harder. After all, Christ demands of Christians some very hard things regarding money (namely: don't accumulate it, give it away to the poor, don't charge interest, don't be sexually immoral). But Christ came into an Israel that had been dominated by Greek culture for three centuries before his birth, and the Christian religion spread widely among the pagans of a rich and decadent Roman Empire (90% of the Jews rejected him as a false prophet and blasphemer). So in Christendom you've always had the situation where the moral opinions of God clashed pretty violently with the culture of the society, and for the most part, Western culture has prevailed over the actual teachings of Christ - Westerners have remained violent, lusty and greedy, and Christ's teachings are honored in the breach. In fact, the unwillingness or inability of Western culture to really ACT the ways Christ commanded has given risen to the famous dodge in Christianity that "everyone's a sinner", so Christians don't EXPECT to be able to live up to Christ's commands, accept that they're sinners, and continue to amass money, charge interest, run empires and be sexually immoral. Western culture ultimately prevailed over the moral message of Christianity, because Western culture was much more PLEASANT than the demands of Christianity. France, Italy, Spain, California, Florida, New York...people love visiting these places precisely because they're opulent and fun in all the ways that Christ says not to be. So, with Christendom, the religion has always been in pretty violent conflict with the culture, and the only way to try to bring the culture in line was with things like the Spanish Inquisition and the Puritan dictatorship . These were fanatical Christian wars against the culture itself, and in the end they failed because Christian Western people would not tolerate being made to live FULLY in line with their religion. They preferred, and prefer, Christianity as a background refuge for weary souls, to the broad, relatively tolerant, and sinful Western culture. Ultimately the culture and the religion are at war with each other in the West, with the culture de-fanging the religion of the power to impose the things people do not want to do, and the religion acting as a governor on the wildest excesses. (Example: Christians stopped EXECUTING gays and witches a few hundred years ago, but it's only in the present-day general weakening of Christianity that gays and witches actually dare walk the streets and boast.) If we go to the Middle East, though, we find that the ancient culture there meshes almost perfectly with the religion. Allah doesn't ask the Middle Easterners to do anything they don't want to do already anyway. In the Old Testament we see that Middle Easterners are generally polygamous, heavily patriarchal, and - the opposite of Christ - believe that wealth is a positive moral good and proof of divine favor. The conquest of Canaan model: this land is yours, kill everybody in it and take it and all of their things for your own - this is a pleasing mindset to Middle Eastern culture. Modern Israel is composed of Jews that came from a 2000 year exile in the West, with its culture of monogamy (which did not come from Christianity or Judaism but from the Western pagans - the Roman pagan religion was monogamous). Traditional Middle Eastern culture is polygamous, with very effaced women. Also, Middle Eastern culture has always practiced slavery, with the view that the slave is property to be used at the pleasure of the master. Thus, all of those rules in Islam against all sorts of sexual practices only ever applied between Muslims. A Muslim can rightly do anything he wants with a non-Muslim slave of either sex. That's not Christianity (and it's not Judaism either), but it is the cultural and religious practice of the Muslim world. Now, mind you, it was also the actual practice of "Christian" slaveholders in the West too, but the difference is that the Christian religion never gave Christian slaveholders license to rape their slaves. But Muslim religion and culture authorizes it - it is part of the degradation package that an unbeliever deserves, part of the punishment of the unbeliever. In a similar vein, forever marriage is a Christian belief. In the Old Testament, YHWH gives rules for men to divorce their wives, and in Islam the rules are even easier. No official act or writ is required. In Shi'ite Iran the institution of the "Temporary Marriage" has been instituted by the Ayatollahs and is perfectly in keeping with the culture and the faith. Fornication outside of marriage in Muslim culture is a very serious offense, carrying corporal punishment and even death as its penalty. But Muslims can marry for one day, and then divorce. In this way, a man and a woman in Iran can legally, legitimately, marry for a day, have sex, and then divorce. Of course the man is expected to pay a "bride price". Thus is prostitution blessed by Allah, and perfectly licit. But the Muslim will bristle and tell you, aggressively, that this is not prostitution, that it is marriage, etc. And note well: if a man has a wife and takes a second contract wife, for a day, this is not breaking a moral law: Muslim men are authorized multiple wives. Such is Middle Eastern culture. Now add to that the "world is yours to conquer in my name" commandments of Allah, and you realize how appealing the religion is to Middle Eastern Muslims. Christianity makes Westerners uncomfortable, because our cultural norms have always been at odds with our religious norms. But the Muslim religious norms fit hand in glove with the Middle Eastern culture, and indeed presume to make that culture dominant over the whole world. So yes, it is true that Islam by its nature always wants to impose itself, by force, on the whole world, and that ultimately, different groups cannot get along as long as one is composed of believing Muslims who have sufficient numbers to have power. Muslims are every bit as stubborn about their religion as Christians (and Jews), and even less willing to convert. Half of the Mediterranean world (the Middle East and North Africa) were once Christian, but it all converted to Islam. The reverse is not true. Nowhere that was predominantly Islam has converted to Christianity. Violently divergent cultures can get along and cooperate as long as each has its space, but two religions whose Gods make universalist claims over the hearts and minds of men cannot easily get along. And when one of them has the commandment from its god to militarily overwhelm the other, they cannot ever be trusted. Even in the Philippines, a culture completely removed from Middle Eastern culture, very predictably it is the Muslim Filipinos who are carrying out the terror raids, killing people, etc. It is the nature of the religion itself. Not because every word in the Koran is false - about 98% of it lines up with the Old Testament. But because in that last 2% Allah gave the world to his believers just exactly as YHWH gave Canaan to the Hebrews. We sit in the position of the Canaanites facing perpetual warfare, hatred and the promise of death from the invading Israelites. If you were a Canaanite, no peace was possible with the Israelites: they believed in their God, and their God told them to wipe you out. You had to fight the Israelites to the death or flee, because no compromise was ever going to be possible unless the Israelites went into apostasy and stopped listening to their God (which, as it happens, they did). Muslims are much more faithful to Allah than the ancient Jews were to YHWH, probably in large part because Allah demands nothing unpleasant of them, and promises, in fact, riches, glory, sex slaves, and dominance to the Muslim conqueror, and virgins in heaven to the hero who fails in the attempt. Faced with Islam, all you can ever do is fight. If you want to defeat Islam, you have to get inside of the Muslim and Middle Eastern mind, and realize that the Achilles' Heel lies with the women. Muslim men cannot and will not convert: Allah offers a man everything he wants. But Muslim WOMEN, they can be isolated from the culture and are promised a whole lot better life by the Christian God and Western society. THAT is who you bring in as refugees: the women. And you spread them out in the West, and you let the Christian social services treat them kindly and well, and make an effort to find them Christian boyfriends and husband. Muslim WOMEN will abandon Allah for Christ, or at least for Western decadence. Muslim men you don't let in. Suck the women out of their culture, and the birth rate will collapse. You'll never convert the men, but you can cause them to die out for lack of women, and to inbreed with the women remaining to them. THAT is how you defeat Islam: you take their women away from them. Is that a Western thing to do? It's not Christian. But if one goes back to our pagan roots, back to pagan, monogamous Rome, one finds the example in the Rape of the Sabines. Where are the Sabines today? Well, they are part of the Roman Italian genetic base, through the X Chromosomes. Ain't no mo' Sabine Y Chromosomal DNA. The women are the weakest link in Islam and in Middle Eastern culture, because they get a really raw deal from both. Vicomte13  posted on  2015-11-14   7:40:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #69. To: redleghunter (#49) " We have several German friends who want to string up Merkel. " I would say there are more than a few German citizens that have the desire. I will not be surprised if it happens. She deserves it. Si vis pacem, para bellum Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. “The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his.” - George S. Patton Stoner  posted on  2015-11-14   7:41:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #70. To: ebonytwix, stoner, redleghunter, Vicomte13 (#19) But what does foreigner Muslims' actions have to do with France, the people? They've lost their way and their will to be free, too many years of living under all of the negative "isms" in the world... Vegetarians eat vegetables. Beware of humanitarians! CZ82  posted on  2015-11-14   7:41:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #71. To: redleghunter (#52) I used to lurk on FR, and another member who posted there also came on here. So I found them too and the site. Thanks. :) ebonytwix  posted on  2015-11-14   8:44:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #72. To: redleghunter (#54) Yup. I heard stories of African Muslims targeting African Christians, even Arab Muslims targeting African Christians. Pretty sure this is related. Not French people burning down these camps "just because" like hysterics like to say. ebonytwix  posted on  2015-11-14   8:45:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #73. To: redleghunter (#56) I got banned from there and they were obsessed with exposing me. The website has a different format and high traffickings and they love to "expose" people. I don't want any of them here. Also, I'm concerned for everyone's safety on this site if I do that. ebonytwix  posted on  2015-11-14   8:47:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #74. To: nolu chan (#60) What will the French do with the Muzzies already there? What will the Washington politicians do with the Muzzies already here? Give them a fast track for citizenship and more benefits from American taxes while disregarding the wishes of Americans. Psalm 37 Don  posted on  2015-11-14   8:59:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #75. To: Don (#38) violence must be met with violence. And it should be met swiftly... and publicly. I wouldn't mind the opportunity to ventilate the chest cavity of an Isis shitbag that brings his religious kook fight to my soil. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح GrandIsland  posted on  2015-11-14   9:33:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #76. To: Vicomte13 (#68) Great post , thank you. ebonytwix  posted on  2015-11-14   9:40:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #77. To: nolu chan (#59) The U.S. and French have been bombing the ISIS controlled oil fields. That hurts in the pocket. True, but that's not their motivation. "A silly idea is current that good people do not know what temptation means. This is an obvious lie. Only those who try to resist temptation know how strong it is... A man who gives in to temptation after five minutes simply does not know what it would have been like an hour later. That is why bad people, in one sense, know very little about badness. They have lived a sheltered life by always giving in.” ― C.S. Lewis, Mere Christianity GarySpFC  posted on  2015-11-14   9:49:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #78. To: Don (#74) What will the French do with the Muzzies already there? Many of the French ARE Muslims, so "the French" making the decisions will include a lot of Muslims. Truth is: France is not going to destroy its culture and its belief in personal liberty, including religious liberty, because of a bloody event. The Germans killed a lot more people than the Muslims just did, and yet German speaking people were not all cast out of France after the war, and France did not refuse to deal with Germans. What the French will do is expand surveillance, expand the size of their national security apparatus, use a lot more infiltration, etc, and engage in a lot of spooky ops we'll never hear about, to prevent this from happening again any time soon. It's like 9/11: America did not expel all the Muslims, put them in concentration camps, shoot them on sight, or end religious freedom. We heavily increased surveillance, greatly increased the security apparatus, and undertook a lot of spooky ops, and we've prevented a repeat for 14 years. Doesn't mean we'll prevent it forever. The French don't have the federal compartmentalization issues to deal with that we did. It isn't against the French national character to have a very strong government spy on everybody and everything, an pre-emptively intervene on suspicion. Also, there is no writ of habeas corpus in France, and no pre-trial release for serious crimes. If you're arrested in France for a alleged crime, there's no bail. You sit in jail until trial. The French have always used "provisional detention" to hold people under suspicion as long as they feel like it. They won't apply this tool heavy handedly. They're not going to lock up 10% of the country. They're not going to start mass deportations of Muslims. French intelligence does not need to get judicial permission to spy on anybody, in any way they choose, and if there is sufficient evidence, the French can arrest and hold, without trial, indefinitely. The French courts do not have the power to order the French government to do anything, because the government itself is immune to judicial decisions and there is no such thing as "judicial review" of the sort we're familiar with. They have something, but it's very different, and it isn't going to help somebody who is accused, rightly or wrongly. The accused will sit in jail until the authorities either try him or let him out. And the authorities will spy on everybody, in whatever way they see fit, and there is no judicial power, at all, anywhere, to stop that, because it is a right of the state - there is no law or constitutional principle that presumes to prevent the state from doing whatever it needs to do, without any limitation, in order to protect itself. In the USA, the Constitution stands above the government. In France (as in England), the Parliament has the power to amend the Constitution, and no court has the power to enforce the terms of the constitution on the government. Also, in a real crisis (as determined by himself), the President can invoke Article 16 and take plenary, unlimited power, for the duration of the national crisis. Bluntly, the French President has the power, without judicial review, to order the assassinations of enemies of the state. There is no check on this power. In France, there will not be a series of slow investigations and trials. There will be a couple of public show trials. But all over France and all over the world, people you have never heard of are going to start dying. You'll never hear about it either. When the French President said that France is at war and will retailiate "ruthlessly", what he meant is that the French authorities are going to murder people all over the world now. And it means that captive terrorists will not be sent to Guantanmo. They will be tortured, and tortured and tortured, for information, and killed, and never released. They will wink out of existence and nobody will know what happened to them. And if anybody DOES know, he will have the choice of being quiet about it, or being assassinated for revealing state secrets. The American government is limited by checks and balances. There are no checks and balances in the French government. In a crisis, the President of France is a King, and he can and will order people killed without trial, and impose state secrets silence on all of it. And the world will never know about it, because the journaist who tries to report on it will be Breitbarted...and it will be LEGAL. So, the measure of the French success in the matter will be whether or not there are any more such attacks in the years to come. In the next day or two cells already in place may carry out their attacks, but after that, the measure will be the presence or lack of attacks. Socialists always get accused of being Communists. They're usually not. But think hard for a moment about how, exactly, Communists deal with internal dissent. If we assume that the French government is communistic at root (and it isn't a bad assumption), then think about what Communists do to rebels. France isn't going to cave and blow away. They're going to have a purge. All of the tough things that would warm the cockles of the darkest militarist right wing heart are going to be happening. The measure of their success will be the lack of attacks in the next French decade. I do not say this boastfully. I say it matter of factly. That is how France will deal with it. You'll hear nothing but platitudes. Nothing will seem to change. You will never hear the screams. But you will see how the "milquetoasts" somehow manage to keep an open society without bombs going off all the time. I would not want the US to respond to terrorism the way the French are going to, because the US government would use the opportunity to "disappear" domestic opponents too. The French won't - the ruling class is too incestuous, and it's not about settling scores, but rooting out enemies and killing them. Vicomte13  posted on  2015-11-14   12:24:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #79. To: SOSO (#64) (Edited) JUST EIGHT ISLAMIC MANIACS CAUSED THIS AMAZING AMOUNT, A HISTORIC AMOUNT OF DISRUPTION IN FRANCE AND AROUND THE WORLD. How many of these Islamic maniacs are already here in the U.S.? HOw many will Obama let into the country in the short-near term? Q: HOw many will Obama let into the country in the short-near term? Answer: As many as he can find. rlk  posted on  2015-11-14   17:59:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #80. To: Vicomte13 (#78) I don't care how the French do it, just so it's done. The West needs to fight back by attacking all enemies. This is a war. Psalm 37 Don  posted on  2015-11-14   19:21:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #81. To: GarySpFC (#77) True, but that's not their motivation. Opinions will vary. nolu chan  posted on  2015-11-14   21:02:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #82. To: redleghunter, Stoner, CZ82, SOSO, rlk, GarySpFc, Chuck_Wagon, Don, Justified (#51) Let's go children of the fatherland, The day of glory has arrived! Against us tyranny's Bloody flag is raised! Bloody flag is raised! In the countryside, do you hear The roaring of these fierce soldiers? They come right to our arms To slit the throats of our sons, our friends! Grab your weapons, citizens! Form your batallions! Let us march! Let us march! May impure blood Water our fields! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4K1q9Ntcr5g Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? tomder55  posted on  2015-11-14   21:10:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #83. To: Don (#74) What will the French do with the Muzzies already there? That's a good question. Many are French-born citizens. During WW2, the USA interned U.S. citizens of Japanese descent. SCOTUS sprinkled some legal pixie dust on it. nolu chan  posted on  2015-11-14   21:23:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #84. To: tomder55 (#82) Let's go children of the fatherland, The day of glory has arrived! Against us tyranny's Bloody flag is raised! Bloody flag is raised! In the countryside, do you hear The roaring of these fierce soldiers? They come right to our arms To slit the throats of our sons, our friends! Grab your weapons, citizens! Form your batallions! Let us march! Let us march! May impure blood Water our fields! But who are they going to shoot and kill? If we don't mind collateral damage, we can reprise Operation Rolling Thunder over any land claimed by ISIS as caliphate land under their control. nolu chan  posted on  2015-11-14   21:27:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #85. To: nolu chan (#83) The Japanese here during WW2 weren't here as an invasion force. Psalm 37 Don  posted on  2015-11-14   21:42:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #86. To: nolu chan (#83) What will the French do with the Muzzies already there? Kiss them! The French are good at that. rlk  posted on  2015-11-15   0:36:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #87. To: Don (#85) The Japanese here during WW2 weren't here as an invasion force. No, but they were treated as enemy aliens. Joe DiMaggio's father was an alien citizen of an enemy force and held under house arrest. France cannot identify all French muslims as being there as an invasion force. Many are second and third generation French citizens. What can the French do with, or about, them? I do not really know. Within the realms of French law, I suppose domestically the French president can do pretty much as he pleases in a declared emergency. He cannot deport French citizens. nolu chan  posted on  2015-11-15   0:52:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #88. To: nolu chan (#87) Then, there is one thing he can do. He can declare the country belongs to the Muzzies and all people will have to convert to Islam or turn their properties over to the conquerors and are second class citizens in what used to be their nation. That is the aim of the Caliphate. Psalm 37 Don  posted on  2015-11-15   4:59:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #89. To: Don (#88) Then, there is one thing he can do. He can declare the country belongs to the Muzzies and all people will have to convert to Islam or turn their properties over to the conquerors and are second class citizens in what used to be their nation. Politically, he will have to send his armed forces forth and kill some people. After 9/11, we invaded Iraq. nolu chan  posted on  2015-11-15   14:15:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #90. To: Don, nolu chan, Willie Green, A Pole (#85) The Japanese here during WW2 weren't here as an invasion force. IDM matter as SCOTUS did in fact sprinkle some pixie dust on it. SCOTUS did not rule that Japanese Americans were an invasion force, it just accepted FDRs claim that there were Japenese American subverses in the U.S. planning, if not conducting, espionage and saboatge. The facts appear to be that both the FBI and the military powers in the U.S. are on record that there was no evidence to support the espinoage and/or sabotage claim. But that did not matter to FDR or to SCOTUS. OTOH there is plenty of evidence that Muslim AMericans in the U.S. have been and are planning such activites, including outright mass murder in the U.S. - a much more factually compleeling case that was made againt the Japanese American community in WWII. No-one in their right mind (and yes that does exclude lefty morons) can deny that a signifcant portion of Islam is planning and conducting terrorist activities on U.S soil and against U.S. global assets. No-one in their right mind (and yes that does exclude lefty morons) can deny that a signifcant portion of Islam is de facto a war with the U.S. The reality is that it is the moral responsibilty of the so-called moderate Muslims to deal with the so-called radical elements in its so-called religion of peace. Just as it was the moral responsibility of white Christian Amercians to reject and actively muzzle and nuetralize the KKK. That will never happen in Islam. Why? Because to that relgion, which defines the culture and legal system govenrning the society, the creed is that my brother over my cousin, my cousion over my friend, my friend over a stranger. In Islam anyone who is not a Muslim is and will always be a stranger. IDM to them that their brother, cousin, and/or friend are savage murderers, or if even they murder follow Muslims, an non-Muslim will still be a stranger. AS long as the so-called moderate Muslims sit back an allow the likes of ISIS to exist in their midst they are just a guilty as ISIS its ilk. Only interllectual bankrupt ideological morons (and yes that does include lefty morons) can conclude that this has anything to do with oil. This is purely a war of ideology, of culture, not of oil or economics. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь SOSO  posted on  2015-11-15   14:45:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #91. To: SOSO (#90) Only interllectual bankrupt ideological morons (and yes that does include lefty morons) can conclude that this has anything to do with oil. This is purely a war of ideology, of culture, not of oil or economics. buckeroo  posted on  2015-11-15   15:23:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #92. To: Willie Green (#91) ping #91. Yes, to intelluctually bankrupt leftist morons 38th in rank makes the U.S. one of the largets Muslim countirs in the world. This must be a result of Common Core Math. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь SOSO  posted on  2015-11-15   15:41:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #93. To: CZ82 (#67) Yeah:) "Seek ye the Lord while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near"---Isaiah 55:6 redleghunter  posted on  2015-11-15   15:49:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #94. To: SOSO (#90) Only interllectual bankrupt ideological morons (and yes that does include lefty morons) can conclude that this has anything to do with oil. This is purely a war of ideology, of culture, not of oil or economics. Only interllectual bankrupt ideological morons (and yes that does include lefty morons) can conclude that this has anything to do with oil. This is purely a war of ideology, of culture, not of oil or economics. Western countries and corporations did not go to the middle east and overthrow governments, and draw up a map doling out oil assets, disregarding ethnic lines, due to any ideology, unless profit is an ideology. They even set up a Jewish nation in the middle of it all. nolu chan  posted on  2015-11-15   17:19:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #95. To: SOSO (#92) Willie Green  posted on  2015-11-15   17:34:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #96. To: Willie Green (#95) потому что Бог хочет это тот путь SOSO  posted on  2015-11-15   23:36:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest

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