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Title: The big winners (and one big loser) at Milwaukee GOP debate
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Fox News
URL Source: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015 ... oser-at-fourth-gop-debate.html
Published: Nov 11, 2015
Author: Fox news
Post Date: 2015-11-11 00:43:15 by redleghunter
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Comments: 48
First, Fox Business is a big winner. This debate is what all the other debates should have been. The questions were substantive, the candidates had time, and the moderators did not try to be the stars of the show. It was really well done and informative. On the stage, Rubio and Cruz continued to shine. Cruz, again, did not get the most speaking time, but he made every word count. When Rand Paul seemed to get the better of Marco Rubio in an exchange on spending for defense, Cruz came back and devastated both. Cruz took on the ridiculous sugar subsidy, which Rubio supports, and used it as a way to beat Paul on isolationism. Poster Comment: Using this article as a headline to discuss the debate.
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#1. To: All, *2016 The Likely Suspects* (#0)
Frankly I think Rand Paul did well. Cruz and Rubio also. The rest did not help their case or made it worse. Trump and Fiorina fumbling the "I met Putin" deal was embarrassing. Trump and Putin were in different locations when giving their 60 minutes interviews. Fiorina was actually in a green room with Putin. Too funny that they thought no one would check it out.
His delivery should have been more confident. He should have been drilled more on how to respond to these attacks and slights that he and his campaign had to know would come, given how his father was treated in the 2008 and 2012 races. However, they savaged Ron Paul but do dare not go quite so far with Rand Paul. Rand did a decent job on his positions and responses, along the lines of a Bakeresque realist perspective on foreign policy. You may recall Rand Paul has spoken admiringly of GHW Bush's foreign policy and restraint, defeating and expelling Saddam from Kuwait but refraining from destabilizing the entire region, as his son, Dumbya, proceeded to do a decade later. Rand would probably benefit if they did attack him more strongly. So they are perhaps being a little careful not to throw any gasoline on the fire. The last thing the GOPe would want is to get the old Ron Paul network totally fired up to back Rand Paul to the same extent as they did with his father. Part of Rand's problem is that he tries to straddle the fence between neocon so-cons and libertarians. And, as often happens, when you're parked on the fence, you take fire from both sides. You'll also notice one interesting thing: nearly all the GOP field is now committed to auditing the Fed and unwinding the expansive powers granted to it by Dodd-Frank. Several candidates have openly called it corrupt, saying the Fed is manipulating the economy to help Obomba. So these other candidates are actually taking a little wind out of Rand Paul's sails on the issue of the Fed, something that did help Ron Paul's support in the 2008 and 2012 cycles. The GOP may have rejected Ron Paul but they did absorb his Audit The Fed philosophy, an example of how political parties adopt messaging that initially draws attention in major election campaigns and you'll see an issue that started with one lone pol championing it in a prominent race and - whether the issue ever gets that pol elected - the party may go on to adopt that issue as their own. I'm not sure Rand performed well enough to stay on the primetime debate stage in the next debate. Him and Kasich already are the low two guys on the roster so they might get sent to the undercard debate next time. Getting demoted to the undercard debate really does undermine any confidence that the candidate has a real shot at the nomination. Fiorina surged up and has held onto enough support to be around 6th place in most polls. But she is likely to be the only candidate who has benefited from having an undercard/primetime debate setup because of a large candidate field.
Paul was more engaging IMO. It also seems he has a good following in Milwaukee. He got some "cheering" support:) I think he gets enough of a bump to keep him at the adult table. Lady Lindsey, Santorum and Huck should pack it in. Bush represents Lindsey, Cruz represents Santorum and Huck for the social conservatives. Christie is an odd bird but I see the RNC establishment trying to keep him in the debates long enough to bring down Trump. It takes a big mouth bully to take down a big mouth bully.
Christie is a real political talent, along the lines of Bill Xlinton. No denying it. I think he'd be a shoo-in if he hadn't gone hugging the enemy in a photo-op a week before the 2012 election. Christie is an all-around pol. He does it all well and he knows how to talk and how to fight back when needed. A takin'-names-and-kickin'-ass kind of pol. You can't ever write off a puncher like Christie. He's often lucky but he also can make his own luck on the spur of the moment.
Christie's time came and went. The great Christie-Obama "hugs".
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#12. To: redleghunter (#1)
Frankly I think Rand Paul did well.
#17. To: TooConservative (#12)
#47. To: redleghunter (#17)
Christie is an odd bird but I see the RNC establishment trying to keep him in the debates long enough to bring down Trump. It takes a big mouth bully to take down a big mouth bully.
#48. To: TooConservative, redleghunter (#47)
I think he'd be a shoo-in if he hadn't gone hugging the enemy in a photo-op a week before the 2012 election.
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