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Title: The big winners (and one big loser) at Milwaukee GOP debate
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Published: Nov 11, 2015
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Post Date: 2015-11-11 00:43:15 by redleghunter
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First, Fox Business is a big winner. This debate is what all the other debates should have been. The questions were substantive, the candidates had time, and the moderators did not try to be the stars of the show. It was really well done and informative. On the stage, Rubio and Cruz continued to shine. Cruz, again, did not get the most speaking time, but he made every word count. When Rand Paul seemed to get the better of Marco Rubio in an exchange on spending for defense, Cruz came back and devastated both. Cruz took on the ridiculous sugar subsidy, which Rubio supports, and used it as a way to beat Paul on isolationism. Poster Comment: Using this article as a headline to discuss the debate.
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Frankly I think Rand Paul did well. Cruz and Rubio also. The rest did not help their case or made it worse. Trump and Fiorina fumbling the "I met Putin" deal was embarrassing. Trump and Putin were in different locations when giving their 60 minutes interviews. Fiorina was actually in a green room with Putin. Too funny that they thought no one would check it out. "Seek ye the Lord while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near"---Isaiah 55:6
I think the ticket will be Rubio-Fiorina.
потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
Depends. She may eclipse him and I think she is taller than he is.
"Seek ye the Lord while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near"---Isaiah 55:6
Depends. She may eclipse him and I think she is taller than he is. She's not ready for peime prime time but would be an excellent stalking horse on Hillary's case. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
I did not see any real breakout moments where anyone won hands down. I thought Bush had a memorably weak answer on bailouts. Now let's get straight back to the questions, and Governor Bush. Governor, Hillary Clinton recently said that if we had another financial crisis like the one in 2008, she wouldn't bail out the banks. Would you? BUSH: We're not -- we shouldn't have another financial crisis. What we ought to do is raise the capital requirements so banks aren't too big to fail. Dodd-Frank has actually done the opposite, totally the opposite, where banks now have higher concentration of risk in assets and the capital requirements aren't high enough. If we were serious about it, we would raise the capital requirements and lessen the load on the community banks and other financial institutions. This vast overreach has created a huge problem for our country, and Hillary Clinton wants to double down on that. I was in Washington, Iowa, about three months ago talking about how bad Washington, D.C., is. It was -- get the -- kind of the -- anyway. We had... (LAUGHTER) It -- and I talked to a banker there. This is a bank that had $125 million of assets, four branches. Their compliance costs because of Dodd-Frank went from $100,000 to $600,000 in a two-year period. The net effect of that is -- and they had -- they had not one loan that went bad during the financial crisis. They knew -- they knew their borrowers. They gave back to the community. They were engaged in the community. And imagine America without its community banks. Well, that's what's happening because of Dodd-Frank. That's -- that's my worry. My worry is that the real economy has been hurt by the vast overreach of the Obama administration. And Hillary Clinton, she wants to double down on that. She wants to create even more so. She is a captive of the left of her party to the point now where she is -- she was for the trade agreement in -- the Pacific agreement. Now she's against it. She was -- hinted she was for the XL pipeline. Now she's opposed to it. All the things that would create sustained economic growth she's now doubling down against it. BAKER: But, Governor, but can I just quickly -- did -- you can't seriously guarantee that there won't be another financial crisis, can you? BUSH: You could, if you were serious about... BAKER: Ever? There will never be another financial crisis? BUSH: No, I can't say that. But I can say, if you created higher capital requirements, that's the solution to this, not having concentration of assets. The bigger banks now have more and more control over -- over the financial assets of this country. And that is the wrong approach to take.
Kasich got clobbered by Cruz. Kasich drew one of the very few boos. Stick a fork in him. (APPLAUSE) We need an executive who's been tried, has been tested, and judge the decisions that that executive makes. I don't like what the Fed is doing, but I'll tell you what worries me more than anything else: turning the Fed over to the Congress of the United States... BARTIROMO: Thank you, governor. CRUZ: So, Governor Kasich... KASICH: ...so they can print the money. That would be a very bad approach. BARTIROMO: Senator Rubio. CRUZ: ...why would you then bail out rich Wall Street banks, but not Main street, not Mom and Pop, not Sabina Loving? KASICH: I wouldn't. I wouldn't. CRUZ: But you just said an executive... KASICH: No. No, I didn't say that. CRUZ: ...knows to step in and bail out a bank. KASICH: They were -- they were talking about what you would do with depositors. Would you let these banks shut down? My argument is, going forward, the banks have to reserve the capital, so that the -- so that the people who own the capital start pressuring the banks to not take these risky approaches, Ted. But at the end of the day... CRUZ: So you said you'd abandon philosophy and abandon principle... KASICH: ... I'm gonna tell you this. Let me tell you this. If during -- if during... CRUZ: ...but what would you do if the bank was failing? KASICH: ...because if during -- well, I'll tell you what (ph). CRUZ: What would you do if the bank was failing? KASICH: I would not let the people who put their money in there all go down. CRUZ: So you -- you would bail them out. KASICH: As an executive -- no. As an executive, I would figure out how to separate those people who can afford it versus those people, or the hard-working folks who put those money in those institutions... (BOOING) ... let me -- no, no. Let me say another thing. Here's what I mean by that. Here's what I mean by that. (UNKNOWN): Oh, great. KASICH: When you are faced -- when you are faced, in the last financial crisis, with banks going under -- with banks going under, and people, people who put their -- their life savings in there, you got to deal with it. You can't turn a blind eye to it. Now, going forward, that's one thing. If you had another financial crisis, perhaps there would be an effort to make sure that we do (ph). BARTIROMO: Thank you, Governor Kasich.
Cruz had a good moment on immigration. (APPLAUSE) And, you know, I understand that when the mainstream media covers immigration, it doesn't often see it as an economic issue. But, I can tell you for millions -- of Americans at home watching this, it is a very personal economic issue. And, I will say the politics of it will be very, very different if a bunch of lawyers or bankers were crossing the Rio Grande. (AUDIENCE REACTION) Or if a bunch of people with journalism degrees were coming over and driving down the wages in the press. (AUDIENCE REACTION) (APPLAUSE) (CHEERING) Then, we would see stories about the economic calamity that is befalling our nation. And, I will say for those of us who believe people 'ought to come to this country legally, and we should enforce the law, we're tired of being told it's anti-immigrant. It's offensive. (APPLAUSE)
Trump also dropped a good shot on illegal immigration. This was with Kasich, but the position of Trump and Cruz contrasts markedly with Rubio. (APPLAUSE) TRUMP: All I can say is, you're lucky in Ohio that you struck oil. That is for one thing. (LAUGHTER) Let me just tell you that Dwight Eisenhower, good president, great president, people liked him. "I like Ike," right? The expression. "I like Ike." Moved a 1.5 million illegal immigrants out of this country, moved them just beyond the border. They came back. Moved them again beyond the border, they came back. Didn't like it. Moved them way south. They never came back. (LAUGHTER) Dwight Eisenhower. You don't get nicer. You don't get friendlier. They moved a 1.5 million out. We have no choice. We have no choice.
Trump has taken incoming over this one because Rand Paul pointed out that China is not part of TPP. But see: http://www.state.gov/secretary/remarks/2015/11/249070.htm Interview QUESTION: Hello, Mr. Secretary. It’s an honor and a privilege to (inaudible). SECRETARY KERRY: Thank you very much. QUESTION: Thank you (inaudible) for your time and to answer a few questions. (Inaudible) to our TV audience in the countries of Commonwealth of Independent States. We are speaking with you during your Central Asia visit within the framework of 5+1. What is the reason of this format, and what does it mean – aims? SECRETARY KERRY: Well, the reason is to really try to build a cooperation between countries in order to be able to try to develop more effectively, in order to work on our security issues – counterterrorism, Afghanistan, other issues – and to talk about mutual interests: how we can work together on infrastructure, how we can work together to develop educational opportunity, how we could work on investment. I think that nobody should think of this visit as anything to do with choosing between Russia or choosing between China or choosing between – that’s not why I’m here. I’m here because we all have an interest, every one of us, in developing the opportunities for our citizens. And we’re ready to work with everybody, whether it’s local, whether it’s neighboring countries, or countries from far away like Korea and Japan and others who want to be engaged. We want to help this region develop on a regional basis because we think there’s enormous opportunity for growth and development, and that helps stability, security, and prosperity for people. QUESTION: So no big game, but big game? SECRETARY KERRY: That’s a good way to put it. I like that. No, no big game at all. This is about everybody benefiting, including Russia and China and other countries. We all benefit when people are being lifted up, and I think that Kazakhstan particularly has had a very impressive policy of not trying to be pushed to choose between people but wanting to develop on a broad-based basis. And I have said to President Putin and I’ve said to President Xi we need to work together on development issues. And we’re beginning to do that with China. We’d like to, obviously, be able to do more with other partners. QUESTION: At recent CIS summit, several speakers voiced concern over ISIS terrorist threat spreading through Afghanistan into the CIS countries. U.S. continues military presence in Afghanistan. Do you plan to coordinate of your actions – future actions in Central Asia with regional countries? SECRETARY KERRY: Well, we absolutely plan to consult and to be engaged with all of the countries. Everybody has an interest. Some of them border directly on Afghanistan, and others have populations that can be affected by what happens in Afghanistan. President Obama recently made an announcement about our decision to continue to maintain a troop level in Afghanistan that will help the Afghan Government, help the Afghan people, and help the Afghan military to be able to push forward to improve their governance and to push back against the Taliban. We look for cooperation and help from other countries in the region because we think that’s good for everybody’s security. QUESTION: A couple of days ago, I think on Friday, we announced about sending some U.S. troops to Syria. SECRETARY KERRY: Yes. QUESTION: Can you tell us the details of the decision, and do they operate in cooperation with Russian air force? SECRETARY KERRY: Well, it’s very important to operate in cooperation when you have major powers with very capable air forces. You don’t want to be flying in the same airspace without coordination. So of course we are coordinating, and we will continue to coordinate with Russia. But we’d like to be able to do more with Russia, but that depends on Russia really making the decision that they have to help settle the political part of the war. We have to deal with the future of President Assad, we have to deal with how we will find a political solution. We had a very effective meeting the other day in Vienna. Foreign Minister Lavrov was there; he helped to co-chair the meeting, and Russia and the United States together helped to forge a step forward, I hope, that could begin to shape the possibility of a peace. So clearly, we would like to cooperate, not be in opposition. But it really depends a lot on the choices that Russia makes about whether it is there to find the political solution or whether it is there to simply support the Assad regime. If it is only the regime, it’s a problem, because Turkey, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, other countries, the opposition, will not stop fighting Assad. The way to end the war is to ask Mr. Assad to help with a transition into a new government, and he can help save his country. But if it’s all about him, then it’s a problem. QUESTION: And then other question: Eurasian Economic Union is a new project of – in the territory of the former Soviet Union. How did you view to this project? SECRETARY KERRY: Well, it’s fine. We don’t have any problem with people associating economically as long as it’s not trying to lower the rules and lower the standards and split people apart. What we want to do is raise the standards. We think that people – citizens of every country, workers – do better when they profit from the work that is done and when they work by high standards of the quality of the workplace: they’re protected, they’re safe; they have benefits of health care, benefits of a good salary; and their work conditions are good. When those things happen, people are happy and they work well. And what we want to do is raise the standards, not lower them. As long as people are moving in that direction, we don’t care what kind of association or agreement they have. And we invite people to come join other initiatives, like the Trans-Pacific Partnership, the TPP. We welcome China, we welcome Russia, we welcome other countries who would like to join, as long as they want to raise the standards and live up to the highest standards of protecting people and doing business openly and transparently and accountably. QUESTION: And in early stages of Ukrainian crisis, American and Russian assessment of the situation was exactly the opposite. Now the bloodshed has stopped. Is compromise between Washington and Moscow possible with regard to Ukraine? SECRETARY KERRY: Well, Ukraine is not an issue so much of compromise, though I suppose some compromise on everybody’s part helps. But it is really an issue of an agreement. The Minsk agreement has been reached. And the Minsk agreement requires certain things to be done by both parties – all parties, actually – by the separatists, by Russia, by Kyiv. And it’s important that those things happen. You have to pull back the heavy weapons. You have to protect the border, the international border. You have to allow the OSCE in to monitor. You have to allow ODIHR to come in an monitor the election. You have to have an election according to Ukraine law and rules. You have to have the special status for Donbas. All these things have to happen. And if they do, then sanctions will be lifted and we can go back to a relationship that I hope will be good for the people of Ukraine and begin to reduce the tensions that have existed for the past couple of years.
Carson achieved his objective for the evening here. (APPLAUSE) And I don't even mind that so much, if they do it about -- with everybody, like people on the other side. But, you know, when I look at somebody like Hillary Clinton, who sits there and tells her daughter and a government official that no, this was a terrorist attack, and then tells everybody else that it was a video. Where I came from, they call that a lie. And... (CHEERING AND APPLAUSE) I think that's very different from, you know, somebody misinterpreting, when I said that I was offered a scholarship to West Point, that is the words that they used. But, I've had many people come and say the same thing to me. That is what people do in those situations. We have to start treating people the same, and finding out what people really think and what they're made of. People who know me know that I'm an honest person. (APPLAUSE)
WTH? JEB defending illegal immigrants and giving them citizenship,and even whined about how if we start deporting them they will continue to vote Dim instead of alleged Republican. This dweeb really does thinking winning the vote is more important than keeping the nation,and he seems to think everyone else agrees with him. Maybe somebody should smack him upside his head until it occurs to him that winning an election doesn't mean squat if you lose the Republican by doing so? What these idiots NEED to be doing is working to convince the His and Her Panic voters to be more like us,than promising them we will be more like them if they will only vote for us. We should be reminding them of the reasons WHY they left their home countries to come here,and point out to them that unless they want America to be like the places they had to leave,they need to start agreeing with us instead of expecting us to agree with them. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
His delivery should have been more confident. He should have been drilled more on how to respond to these attacks and slights that he and his campaign had to know would come, given how his father was treated in the 2008 and 2012 races. However, they savaged Ron Paul but do dare not go quite so far with Rand Paul. Rand did a decent job on his positions and responses, along the lines of a Bakeresque realist perspective on foreign policy. You may recall Rand Paul has spoken admiringly of GHW Bush's foreign policy and restraint, defeating and expelling Saddam from Kuwait but refraining from destabilizing the entire region, as his son, Dumbya, proceeded to do a decade later. Rand would probably benefit if they did attack him more strongly. So they are perhaps being a little careful not to throw any gasoline on the fire. The last thing the GOPe would want is to get the old Ron Paul network totally fired up to back Rand Paul to the same extent as they did with his father. Part of Rand's problem is that he tries to straddle the fence between neocon so-cons and libertarians. And, as often happens, when you're parked on the fence, you take fire from both sides. You'll also notice one interesting thing: nearly all the GOP field is now committed to auditing the Fed and unwinding the expansive powers granted to it by Dodd-Frank. Several candidates have openly called it corrupt, saying the Fed is manipulating the economy to help Obomba. So these other candidates are actually taking a little wind out of Rand Paul's sails on the issue of the Fed, something that did help Ron Paul's support in the 2008 and 2012 cycles. The GOP may have rejected Ron Paul but they did absorb his Audit The Fed philosophy, an example of how political parties adopt messaging that initially draws attention in major election campaigns and you'll see an issue that started with one lone pol championing it in a prominent race and - whether the issue ever gets that pol elected - the party may go on to adopt that issue as their own. I'm not sure Rand performed well enough to stay on the primetime debate stage in the next debate. Him and Kasich already are the low two guys on the roster so they might get sent to the undercard debate next time. Getting demoted to the undercard debate really does undermine any confidence that the candidate has a real shot at the nomination. Fiorina surged up and has held onto enough support to be around 6th place in most polls. But she is likely to be the only candidate who has benefited from having an undercard/primetime debate setup because of a large candidate field.
No, it's even worse than that. The author is the globalist America-last progressive neocon.... Trump: "Why does she keep interrupting?" LOL Yes I think he is done. But how the RNC and other candidates handle his exit is important. They need Ohio.
"Seek ye the Lord while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near"---Isaiah 55:6
Trump did say designed for China to come in the backdoor. So he could have countered Rand when confronted. "Seek ye the Lord while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near"---Isaiah 55:6
That was the article. I put this article up to just generate conversation. Not really to comment on what the robot media put out.
"Seek ye the Lord while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near"---Isaiah 55:6
Paul was more engaging IMO. It also seems he has a good following in Milwaukee. He got some "cheering" support:) I think he gets enough of a bump to keep him at the adult table. Lady Lindsey, Santorum and Huck should pack it in. Bush represents Lindsey, Cruz represents Santorum and Huck for the social conservatives. Christie is an odd bird but I see the RNC establishment trying to keep him in the debates long enough to bring down Trump. It takes a big mouth bully to take down a big mouth bully. "Seek ye the Lord while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near"---Isaiah 55:6
The correct answer to the questions of bailouts is "I would never approve of a bailout if I'm President " . Kasich has to know that depositor's money is insured .
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Christie was the best performer on the undercard . Jindal was a disappointment . Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Rubio -Kasich ticket covers 2 key states . Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Correct on FDIC depositor inurance, up to $250,000. Kasich dug a six-foot deep hole and jumped in it. A chorus off boos from the audience filled the grave. Cruz won that exchange.
Kasich is wasting his time, and his contributors money. Si vis pacem, para bellum Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. “The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his.” - George S. Patton
I agree that Christie won the undercard. I just don't see him pulling votes to improve his standing significantly. Support for the undercard candidates, such as it is, will likely leak to Cruz, Trump, Carson or Rubio.
¡Jeb! can be a running mate with Kasich for Mr. Irrelevant and a participation award.
I disagree on Rubio. He is a polished and professional politician and he made no mistakes. He said not a word on immigration, his glaring weakness when contrasted to Trump/Cruz. His responses, or mini-speeches, were ear candy that sounded good, like Obama reading from a teleprompter. He said little to nothing and sounded good doing it. His supporters are happy. He will improve his support by siphoning votes from the entire rest of the GOPe gaggle of candidates. Rubio will go up in the polls, putting more distance between himself and ¡Jeb! The aggregate GOPe vote may go down, but Rubio will have a larger share of it. Bush did not do enough to draw away support from anyone. He may linger around for a while but he appears to have no answer to Rubio.
Rubio-Kasich covers illegal immigrant amnesty supporters in all 50 states. The GOPe has not yet shown how the amnesty monkeys will overcome the issue in GOP primaries. The most recent Florida poll (3 Nov) indicates Trump 37, Carson 17, Rubio 16, Bush 7, Cruz 10, Fiorina 3, Kasich 3, Huckabee 1, Christie, Paul, Jindal, Santorum, Graham, Pataki. With Trump/Carson/Cruz holding 64%, Rubio is on the short end of the stick. The most recent (not very recent) Ohio poll (9/25-10/5) indicted Trump 23, Carson 18, Kasich 13, Cruz 11, Fiorina 10, Rubio 7, Bush 4, Paul 3, Huckabee 2, Christie 1, Santorum 0, Graham 0. Trump/Carson/Cruz had over half the votes. The issue is illegal immigration and Rubio, Kasich, Bush and the GOPe are politically on the wrong side of it. Polls have repeated indicated a majority supporting anti-illegal immigration side. As Ted Cruz pointed out in devastating fashion last night, it is an economic issue. "[T]he politics of it will be very, very different if a bunch of lawyers or bankers were crossing the Rio Grande. (AUDIENCE REACTION) Or if a bunch of people with journalism degrees were coming over and driving down the wages in the press. (APPLAUSE) (CHEERING) Then, we would see stories about the economic calamity that is befalling our nation."
"[T]he politics of it will be very, very different if a bunch of lawyers or bankers were crossing the Rio Grande. (AUDIENCE REACTION) Or if a bunch of people with journalism degrees were coming over and driving down the wages in the press. (APPLAUSE) (CHEERING) Then, we would see stories about the economic calamity that is befalling our nation." " Ted Cruz was dead on!! Si vis pacem, para bellum Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. “The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his.” - George S. Patton
Yes Grandmas little stash of money is insured. Our vacation, rainy day funds are secure. No one today stashes millions in a savings account. Even the small business owners who make deposits to make payroll are insured. I remember at 15 being the errand boy for a Greek small business owner. I was the trusted child of a locally well known middle class honest banker who worked two jobs. I remember making those many small deposits at the bank across the street so Mr. K could pay us all at the end of the week. So yes Kasich should know the small guy is under FDIC insurance. "Seek ye the Lord while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near"---Isaiah 55:6
That ticket would give Hitlery pause. How to fit Fiorina in as an attack dog against Hitlery is another thing to consider. "Seek ye the Lord while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near"---Isaiah 55:6
I think she would be a natural fit,and totally unafraid to go after Mrs Bubba. For one thing,Mrs Bubba couldn't play the "Wahhhhh! You're picking on me because I'm just a gurl!" card. Fionia is the only one that CAN go for the throat without getting hammered as being a sexist. And I truly don't think she would find it to be a burden to bear. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
It is the RepubliCrat GOPe wet dream. Their only problem is selling amnesty to the GOP primary electorate.
I don't think that is true. Carson took a whack at Hillary last night. (CHEERING AND APPLAUSE) Don't underestimate the polite, quiet assassin. There was a media hit on Carson over the past few days and they are the ones left bleeding and looking stupid. Nobody attempted to attack him last night.
Great point about Carson . He took all their arrows and survived. But I am concerned that for all his brilliance ;he has not done the work necessary to discuss the issues in detail . He appeared to me to be winging it . Here was his response to the question about the bail out of the banks : Well, I think we should have policies that don’t allow them to just enlarge themselves at the expense of smaller entities. And certainly some of the policies, some of the monetary and Fed policies that we’re using makes it very easy for them, makes it very easy for the big corporations, quite frankly, at these very low interest rates to buy back their stock and to drive the price of that up artificially. Those are the kinds of things that led to the problem in the first place. And I think this all really gets back to this whole regulation issue which is creating a very abnormal situation. This country was — declared its independence in 1776. In less than 100 years, it was the number-one economic power in the world. And the reason was because we had an atmosphere that encouraged entrepreneurial risk- taking and capital investment. Those are the fuels that drive it. And what we’ve done now is let the creep of regulation turn into a stampede of regulations, which is involved in every aspect of our lives. If we can get that out, it makes a big difference. And even for the average person, every single regulation costs money. And it’s shifted to the individual. So — and it hurts the poor and the middle class much more than it does the rich. They go into the store and they buy a bar of soap, it costs 10 cents more, they notice it. And the middle class, when they come to the cash register, have a whole cart full of things that cost 5, 10 or 15 cents more, they notice it. It is hurting the poor. Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Well,to be fair his skin color makes him a protected species from the media. They are more afraid of being called racists than they are rapists or murderers. And truth to tell,I suspect no one is in a better position than him to back Mrs Bubba into a corner and make her lose her reserved cool. We ALL know she thinks she is superior to everyone,including blacks,and I can see her losing control over a "darkie" questioning her intelligence,and maybe even using the "N-word" on him. She is NOT the calm and compassionate caricature her rehearsals make her appear to be. She is an absolute shrewish bitch,and you wouldn't have to scratch her to deep for that monster to appear. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
On paper,I am a Carson fan. However,his demeanor is a serious concern of mine,especially given his violent background when he was a kid. He really does seem to be sedated when on camera,and the possibility of that being true scares the hell out of me. I have never seen or known of anyone in real life that acts and speaks like he does that isn't on sedatives of one sort or another. He appears to be practically lifeless as well as listless. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
That is what the assholes want. Or some variation of it. I'd just go to the polls and vote third party and against Rob Portman.
Cruz described MSNBC:) "Seek ye the Lord while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near"---Isaiah 55:6
It is the RepubliCrat GOPe wet dream. Their only problem is selling amnesty to the GOP primary electorate. I said it would give Hitlery pause. Did not say it was ideal. Rubio IMO is going to be someone's VP candidate choice. Carson will probably do well early but will no doubt go into hibernation. He looks like a bear who is overdue his winter nap. I think the ticket is one of the following: Cruz-Kasich Trump-Rubio "Seek ye the Lord while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near"---Isaiah 55:6
Trump-Rubio If Trump is on top, then it would be more likely to see Cruz with him. Neither has attacked the other, and they are nearly identical on policy. Trump/Cruz are out to destroy Rubio. I don't think Cruz could opt for Kasich. To maintain credibility, he would have to seek someone closer to his political positions, especially on amnesty. Rubio could run with Kasich. Hillary might run with Castro (Julian, not Fidel).
Or Assad:) I offered Rubio and Kasich given the importance of their state electoral votes. I think Kasich is still around because he knows the easier way to get Ohio in the GOP column is if he is on the ticket. Ohioans love him. "Seek ye the Lord while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near"---Isaiah 55:6
I have previously expressed my concern that he does not have experience in government or as an executive. His intellect appears evident. I'm still not sure exactly sure how he is doing it, but he is connecting. I just don't know how his experience qualifies him for the position of Chief Executive. Well, I think we should have policies that don’t allow them to just enlarge themselves at the expense of smaller entities. And certainly some of the policies, some of the monetary and Fed policies that we’re using makes it very easy for them, makes it very easy for the big corporations, quite frankly, at these very low interest rates to buy back their stock and to drive the price of that up artificially. Those are the kinds of things that led to the problem in the first place. That response was actually in answer to whether J.P. Morgan and other big banks should be broken up. CARSON: Well, I think we should have policies that don't allow them to just enlarge themselves at the expense of smaller entities. And certainly some of the policies, some of the monetary and Fed policies that we're using makes it very easy for them, makes it very easy for the big corporations, quite frankly, at these very low interest rates to buy back their stock and to drive the price of that up artificially. Those are the kinds of things that led to the problem in the first place.
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Jeb Bush held his own. He had his best performance of any debate. But he did not win the debate. He just failed to fail. He managed not to get eaten alive by Rubio, but his humor fell flat.
BAKER: Welcome back to the Republican presidential debate, live from Milwaukee.
#6. To: redleghunter (#0)
KASICH: Neil, that's the difference of being an executive. And let me just explain: when a bank is ready to go under and depositors are getting ready to lose their life savings, you just don't say we believe in philosophical concerns. You know what an executive has to decide? When there's a water crisis, how do we get water to the city? When there's a school shooting, how do you get there and help heal a community? When there are financial crisis, or a crisis with ebola, you got to go there and try to fix it. Philosophy doesn't work when you run something. And I gotta tell you, on-the-job training for president of the United States doesn't work. We've done it for 8 years, -- and almost 8 years now. It does not work.
#7. To: redleghunter (#0)
CRUZ: I want to go back to the discussion we had a minute ago because, you know, what was said was right. The democrats are laughing -- because if republicans join democrats as the party of amnesty, we will lose.
#8. To: redleghunter (#0)
KASICH: Well, look, in 1986 Ronald Reagan basically said the people who were here, if they were law-abiding, could stay. But, what didn't happen is we didn't build the walls effectively and we didn't control the border. We need to. We need to control our border just like people have to control who goes in and out of their house. But if people think that we are going to ship 11 million people who are law-abiding, who are in this country, and somehow pick them up at their house and ship them out of Mexico -- to Mexico, think about the families. Think about the children. So, you know what the answer really is? If they have been law- abiding, they pay a penalty. They get to stay. We protect the wall. Anybody else comes over, they go back. But for the 11 million people, come on, folks. We all know you can't pick them up and ship them across, back across the border. It's a silly argument. It is not an adult argument. It makes no sense.
#9. To: redleghunter (#0)
TRUMP: The TPP is horrible deal. It is a deal that is going to lead to nothing but trouble. It's a deal that was designed for China to come in, as they always do, through the back door and totally take advantage of everyone. It's 5,600 pages long, so complex that nobody's read it. It's like Obamacare; nobody ever read it. They passed it; nobody read it. And look at mess we have right now. And it will be repealed.
Interview With Askar Alimzhanov of Mir TV
John Kerry
Secretary of State
U.S. Ambassador's Residence
Astana, Kazakhstan
November 2, 2015
#10. To: redleghunter (#0)
CARSON: The fact of the matter is, you know, what -- we should vet all candidates. I have no problem with being vetted. What I do have a problem with is being lied about and then putting that out there as truth.
#11. To: redleghunter (#0)
Jeb Bush held his own.
#12. To: redleghunter (#1)
Frankly I think Rand Paul did well.
#13. To: redleghunter (#0)
Author: Fox news
"Erick Erickson is a Fox News contributor and host of "Erick on the Radio." He is the founder of RedState.com."
Rubio and Bush did horrible, and will drop in the polls. That's good news for America. Fiorina and Kascich are done, get them out of there! 
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#14. To: nolu chan (#6)
#15. To: nolu chan (#9)
#16. To: sneakypete (#11)
#17. To: TooConservative (#12)
#18. To: nolu chan, redleghunter (#6)
#19. To: TooConservative (#12)
Getting demoted to the undercard debate really does undermine any confidence that the candidate has a real shot at the nomination
#20. To: redleghunter (#14)
But how the RNC and other candidates handle his exit is important. They need Ohio.
#21. To: tomder55 (#18)
The correct answer to the questions of bailouts is "I would never approve of a bailout if I'm President " . Kasich has to know that depositor's money is insured .
#22. To: nolu chan (#21)
" Kasich dug a six-foot deep hole and jumped in it. "
#23. To: tomder55 (#19)
Christie was the best performer on the undercard .
#24. To: sneakypete (#11)
JEB defending illegal immigrants and giving them citizenship,and even whined about how if we start deporting them they will continue to vote Dim instead of alleged Republican.
#25. To: hondo68, redleghunter (#13)
Rubio and Bush did horrible, and will drop in the polls. That's good news for America.
#26. To: tomder55, redleghunter (#20)
Rubio -Kasich ticket covers 2 key states .
#27. To: nolu chan (#26)
" As Ted Cruz pointed out in devastating fashion last night, it is an economic issue.
#28. To: tomder55 (#18)
Kasich has to know that depositor's money is insured .
#29. To: tomder55 (#20)
#30. To: redleghunter (#29)
How to fit Fiorina in as an attack dog against Hitlery is another thing to consider.
#31. To: redleghunter, tomder55 (#29)
That ticket would give Hitlery pause.
#32. To: sneakypete, redleghunter (#30)
[Fiorina] is the only one that CAN go for the throat without getting hammered as being a sexist.
[CARSON] But, you know, when I look at somebody like Hillary Clinton, who sits there and tells her daughter and a government official that no, this was a terrorist attack, and then tells everybody else that it was a video. Where I came from, they call that a lie. And...
#33. To: nolu chan, sneakypete, redleghunter (#32)
#34. To: nolu chan (#32)
Nobody attempted to attack him last night.
#35. To: tomder55 (#33)
But I am concerned that for all his brilliance ;he has not done the work necessary to discuss the issues in detail . He appeared to me to be winging it .
#36. To: tomder55 (#20)
Rubio -Kasich ticket covers 2 key states .
#37. To: nolu chan, tomder55 (#26)
"[T]he politics of it will be very, very different if a bunch of lawyers or bankers were crossing the Rio Grande. (AUDIENCE REACTION) Or if a bunch of people with journalism degrees were coming over and driving down the wages in the press. (APPLAUSE) (CHEERING) Then, we would see stories about the economic calamity that is befalling our nation."
#38. To: nolu chan (#31)
That ticket would give Hitlery pause.
#39. To: redleghunter (#38)
Cruz-Kasich
#40. To: nolu chan (#39)
Hillary might run with Castro (Julian, not Fidel).
#41. To: tomder55, sneakypete, redleghunter (#33)
Great point about Carson . He took all their arrows and survived. But I am concerned that for all his brilliance ;he has not done the work necessary to discuss the issues in detail. He appeared to me to be winging it.
Here was his response to the question about the bail out of the banks:
BAKER: Dr. Carson, if I may, just on that point, despite measures taken, as the governor says, since the crisis to make the financial system safer, the major banks in the U.S., many of them are actually bigger than ever. Asset held by JPMorgan Chase, for example, the very largest bank, have increased by nearly 40 percent to over $2.6 trillion. Do you think JPMorgan and the other big banks should be broken up?
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