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Title: Ben Carson's Facebook posting
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Published: Nov 6, 2015
Author: Ben Carson
Post Date: 2015-11-06 07:05:03 by tomder55
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Views: 2432
Comments: 28

Tonight, going through all of your questions, I wanted to touch on a few issues that seem to be asked by many people.

I would like to deal with one question tonight in some detail. The issue is experience. Several people ask what they should tell their friends when people say “I like Carson but he has no political experience”.

You are absolutely right — I have no political experience. The current Members of Congress have a combined 8,700 years of political experience. Are we sure political experience is what we need. Every signer of the Declaration of Independence had no federal elected office experience. What they had was a deep belief that freedom is a gift from God. They had a determination to rise up against a tyrannical King. They were willing to risk all they had, even their lives, to be free. Today we find ourselves with an entire class of politicians. No one in Philadelphia, during that summer our nation was born, dreamed that service was a career with a pension. America was the land of the Citizen Statesmen. They were merchants, lawyers, farmers — and yes, even doctors. They were willing to stand for freedom. Today, the political class stands in the way, not for the people. They demand pensions and perks. This is not what our Founders envisioned for America. I spent my life treating very ill children. Over 15,000 times I gave my all to prolong their lives. I was blessed to do it. But when it came time for me to retire, I simply could not sit back any longer. These children became my family. What our government is doing to them is outrageous. I am prepared to risk all that I have to try and make a difference in their future. I built one of the nation’s best medical centers. I served for two decades on the boards of Costco and Kellogg. I built a national scholarship program.

My experience is very different than what we have come to expect. I grew up poor. I know what it is like to be homeless and hungry. I know the pain of poverty. I also know that education and a mother’s love can be the path out of dire poverty. I know what it is like to see water fountains you are not allowed to drink out of because of your skin color. I also know that once you peel back the skin, the brain is the same no matter what your skin color or continent you live on. I know that victimhood is a trap. I know that it is our Christian responsibility to offer those less fortunate a hand up. I know my faith is strong and my ego is small.

I know that my path to the White House is different than most. But I also know I bring all of the pain and joy, the success and failure, the lessons learned through love and sorrow in my life’s journey. Bill Clinton was famous for saying “I feel your pain” — well, I have walked in your shoes.

I do not have political experience, I have a life journey. A journey that not only made it possible for me to relate to so many different people, but also one where time and time again I was told I would fail, only to succeed. My candidacy is different, that I grant you. I have neither Donald Trump’s money or Jeb Bush’s political network. However, I wouldn't trade a single child I treated for all of Trump’s money. While I admire the Bush family’s dedication to service, I too served — nights, weekends, holidays, birthdays and anniversaries with severely injured patients were my public service.

I didn’t go to embassy cocktail parties or beg lobbyists for money. I spent night after night in a quiet, sterile room trying to save the life of a small child. That was my life’s service. This is my life’s experience. What I have is a lifetime of caring, integrity and honesty. I have experienced the American Dream. No where in the world, other than America, could a man whose ancestors were slaves, rise to become a leading brain surgeon and one day seek the Office of President.

The very fact that I am running is testament to the greatness of America. If all you want is political experience then I cannot be your candidate.

Thank you for staying up with me.

Goodnight, Ben

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#1. To: All (#0)

"Every signer of the Declaration of Independence had no federal elected office experience."

That is a little deceptive . Yes none had federal elected positions because there was no such thing. Many had state elected and/or appointed positions . But I don't quibble with his general point . The framers did not envision a professional political class . That doesn't mean that candidates should be disqualified for that reason alone either. There are some who are definitely worthy of consideration. Nor does that mean that someone is necessarily qualified because they have never held public office.

tomder55  posted on  2015-11-06   7:18:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: tomder55 (#1) (Edited)

It's a pretty terrific speech.

But I can't imagine Carson having the oratorical ability to deliver it well as a speech to a live audience. He isn't a good political speaker in general. Too soft-spoken, too monotone, a little slow on the delivery.

Carson on paper sounds good but, watching him or listening to him, it is hard to picture him as a president for most people. They expect a smoother and more gregarious crowd-pleasing pol as a president.

Carson is worse at speeches than even Dumbya Bush was, recalling his dismal performances at a handful of press conferences and his dreadful SOTU speeches.

Some guys just aren't orators.

It's worth noting that Carson released this on Facebook. He is the strongest online candidate in many ways, has a large Facebook operation and his followers are much more commonly Twitter followers. Of course, we have to keep in mind how hard it is to vet Facebook/Twitter followers by buying up blocs of fake users to follow you and post how wonderful you are. So Carson's online strength might be illusory or artificial. As with Cain in 2012, Carson may just be on a nice retirement book tour.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-11-06   8:14:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: TooConservative (#2)

Carson is probably finished anyway .

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/ben-carson-west-point-215598

tomder55  posted on  2015-11-06   12:08:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: tomder55, TooConservative (#3)

Carson is probably finished anyway .

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/ben-carson-west-point-215598

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[Politico headline] Ben Carson admits fabricating West Point scholarship

[Politico article] Ben Carson’s campaign on Friday admitted

Well, there goes the claim that Ben Carson admitted anything.

[Politico article] a central point in his inspirational personal story was fabricated: his application and acceptance into the U.S. Military Academy at West Point.

[Politico article] According to a story told in Carson’s book, “Gifted Hands,” the then-17 year old was introduced in 1969 to Gen. William Westmoreland, who had just ended his command of U.S. forces in Vietnam, and the two dined together. That meeting, according to Carson’s telling, was followed by a “full scholarship” to the military academy.

The full, complete quote of Ben Carson above is two words, "full scholarship."

What did Carson actually write?

[Politico article, down aways] “I felt so proud, my chest bursting with ribbons and braids of every kind. To make it more wonderful, we had important visitors that day. Two soldiers who had won the Congressional Medal of Honor in Viet Nam were present,” he wrote. “More exciting to me, General William Westmoreland (very prominent in the Viet Nam war) attended with an impressive entourage. Afterward, Sgt. Hunt” — his high school ROTC director — “introduced me to General Westmoreland, and I had dinner with him and the Congressional Medal winners. Later I was offered a full scholarship to West Point.”

Offered,, not applied for and accepted.

[Politico article, at end] Carson has said he turned down the supposed offer of admission because he knew he wanted to be a doctor and attending West Point would have required four years of military service after graduation.

Cecil Murphey, who ghostwrote “Gifted Hands,” told POLITICO that his memory of Carson’s exchange with Westmoreland was hazy.

“My gut response is that it was not a private meeting, but there were others there,” he said in an email. “The general took a liking to Ben and opened doors.”

Carson wrote that he was "offered a full scholarship to West Point," and he turned down the offer.

So, how did he fabricate a story about how his application and acceptance into the U.S. Military Academy at West Point?

Carson did not say he applied and accepted. The ghost-written book says he was offered a full scholarship. Of course, the military academies do not actually offer scholarships, but they do offer a full and highly regarded undergraduate education, with no tuition or residence costs, with a stipend to go with it. It offers all that a full scholarship offers and more, the more part especially including a significant military obligation after graduation.

It appears that Ben Carson is guilty of a terminological inexactitude, or the ghost writer is guilty of such, and Carson guilty of not catching it.

The big lie appears to be in the headline, "Ben Carson admits fabricating West Point scholarship.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-11-06   17:42:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: nolu chan (#12)

Good sleuthing. You earned your LF bucks for the day:)

I believe Carson met Westmoreland.

I don't believe J.F. Lurch Kerry's Cambodia New Years eve story.

Or the phantom history of the emperor.

redleghunter  posted on  2015-11-06   17:54:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#15. To: redleghunter (#14)

I don't believe J.F. Lurch Kerry's Cambodia New Years eve story.

bet you don't believe he deserved a purple heart for getting self inflicted rice grains in his butt.

tomder55  posted on  2015-11-06 18:21:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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