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Title: Religious kids are harsher and less generous than atheist ones, study says
Source: The Oregonian
URL Source: http://www.oregonlive.com/faith/201 ... ious_kids_are_harsher_and.html
Published: Nov 5, 2015
Author: Melissa Binder
Post Date: 2015-11-05 20:11:30 by Willie Green
Keywords: None
Views: 4663
Comments: 33

When it comes to teaching kids the Golden Rule, Sunday school might not be the best bet.

A new study in the journal Current Biology found children in religious households are significantly less generous than their non-religious peers.

At the same time, religious parents were more likely than non-religious ones to consider their children empathetic and sensitive to the plight of others.

It's a common assumption in the United States that faith goes hand-in-hand with goodness. The Pew Research Center reported last year that 53 percent of Americans think it's necessary to believe in God to be moral. 

Americans overwhelmingly elect Christian representatives, and they distrust atheists.

This study challenges those attitudes. It was the children in non-religious homes most likely to be generous toward a stranger. The longer a child had lived in a religious home, the stingier he was compared to his secular peers.

Here's how the study worked: researchers asked kids to play a game which required them to decide how many stickers to share with an anonymous peer from the same school and similar ethnic group.

In their report, the researchers noted it was important for the anonymous stranger to be similar to the child so that other biases didn't get in the way.

Researchers also measured how children perceived interpersonal harm and what degree of punishment they thought was appropriate. Religious children judged others' actions as meaner and more deserving of punishment than kids in secular homes.

The study concluded that in this way religious children tend to come across as more judgmental, while also being less altruistic.

Nearly 1,200 children from the U.S., Canada, Jordan, Turkey, South Africa and China participated. Most of the kids came from Christian, Muslim or non-religious households, with a small number from Jewish, Buddhist, Hindu and agnostic homes. Their ages ranged from 5 to 12.


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Religion makes kids judgemental and mean-spirited.

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#1. To: Willie Green (#0)

Religious kids can recognize sin and depravity and dare to speak about it. Yeah, they are just evil kids and should be reprogrammed. /s/

Psalm 37

Don  posted on  2015-11-05   20:27:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Willie Green (#0)

e study concluded that in this way religious children tend to come across as more judgmental, while also being less altruistic.

Since there are a very large number of religious people in the world it is not suprising that expectations of a certain behaviour are common and what is really being measured here is the attitudes of parents played out through what they have taught their children and what children have observed.

Statistical theory suggests that you can extrapolate from a sample as representative of society generally. The household I grew up in was not particularly religious with there being no emphasis on religious observence, that came from my school and church with a great deal of judgement for non conformity. If I am judgemental about how people behave today it has its roots in the actions of religious people and I'm not going to say people of faith because sadly I really don't know what they believed in, other than harsh discipline. The way a child is disciplined has a great deal to do with how they relate to others and how they judge their actions and this study should have also included that as a factor in their study and avoid suggesting that it is down to family

paraclete  posted on  2015-11-05   20:43:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Willie Green (#0)

Nearly 1,200 children from the U.S., Canada, Jordan, Turkey, South Africa and China participated. Most of the kids came from Christian, Muslim or non-religious households, with a small number from Jewish, Buddhist, Hindu and agnostic homes. Their ages ranged from 5 to 12.

There is a flaw in this study.

"Muslims" Its a handicap that no one can over come and skews the finds.

This is a propaganda piece not a scientific study!

Justified  posted on  2015-11-05   21:29:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Don, Deckard, out damned spot, Willie Green, TooConservative, redleghunter, Vicomte13, GarySpFc, Pericles (#1)

Religious kids can recognize sin and depravity and dare to speak about it.

There are two types of religiosity.

One is to be able to recognize sin in others and dare to speak about it.

Second is to be able to recognize sins in oneself, and dare to confess them and to mourn over them.

In the New Testament the healthy first type are called pharisees who do not need physician, the second sick ones were the tax collectors, harlots, thieves and others who came to Christ to be cured.

When the second type converts to the path of righteousness they should guard themselves from the pride through meekness, mercy, humility and memory of their own sins. If they fail to do that they will fall down from the divine ladder of ascent:

Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Blessed are those who mourn, for they shall be comforted.

Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth.

Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be filled.

Blessed are the merciful, for they shall obtain mercy.

Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God.

Blessed are the peacemakers,

For they shall be called sons of God.

Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness’ sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Blessed are you when they revile and persecute you, and say all kinds of evil against you falsely for My sake. Rejoice and be exceedingly glad, for great is your reward in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

A Pole  posted on  2015-11-06   3:12:48 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Willie Green (#0)

"Researchers also measured how children perceived interpersonal harm and what degree of punishment they thought was appropriate. Religious children judged others' actions as meaner and more deserving of punishment than kids in secular homes."

IOW, children from religious homes are expected to be more polite and considerate as the normal social order and they do expect kids who break rules of polite conduct to be penalized or punished (because that is what happens if they break the house rules at home).

This is supposedly called "judgmental". And the purpose of this article is to normalize the idea that judgment of others' rude or crude behavior is illegitimate or "white privilege" or something awful.

Nearly 1,200 children from the U.S., Canada, Jordan, Turkey, South Africa and China participated. Most of the kids came from Christian, Muslim or non-religious households, with a small number from Jewish, Buddhist, Hindu and agnostic homes. Their ages ranged from 5 to 12.

1200? Is that a joke? What was the distribution in religions among these six countries?

This is just a propaganda hit piece on religion, meant to make liberals feel smug about how wonderfully generous they are.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-11-06   6:25:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: TooConservative (#5)

This is supposedly called "judgmental". And the purpose of this article is to normalize the idea that judgment of others' rude or crude behavior is illegitimate or "white privilege" or something awful.

You summed it up pretty good.

My kids used to go to a private christian school.

I recall on a field trip the people in charge of where the field trip was were amazed at how well behaved the kids were compared to public school kids.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-11-06   6:52:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: TooConservative (#5)

This is just a propaganda hit piece on religion, meant to make liberals feel smug about how wonderfully generous they are.

Now you know they all have an inferiority complex, you should cut them a little slack... /s

Rules for Leftards #18). When all else fails we make up lies about how it will adversely affect women and children...

Vegetarians eat vegetables. Beware of humanitarians!

CZ82  posted on  2015-11-06   7:19:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: TooConservative (#5)

IOW, children from religious homes are expected to be more polite and considerate as the normal social order and they do expect kids who break rules of polite conduct to be penalized or punished (because that is what happens if they break the house rules at home).

This is supposedly called "judgmental".

No, there are religious families that do not base raising children on punishment and fear. You can show children how to be kind to others, the only "punishment" is a disapproval, showing disappointment and in the worse cases temporary withdrawal of some allowance or privilege. Corporal punishment is the last resort, hopefully never used and only when a child is capable to understand that he deserves it and parent is motivated by a concern, not by an anger.

Politeness is taught by example, in a house where parents never swear and are not being rude, a rude behavior is brought from outside and is being met with a distaste.

In addition kids can be taught kindness by stories (including reading Gospels) and examples of charity, like family going out to help someone in need.

Not to be judgmental is to rather judge oneself, not claiming a moral superiority and showing remorse when in the wrong. Children pick it up and imitate like they pick up a native language.

Kind and forgiving relations between parents also help children to grow and make them happy.

A Pole  posted on  2015-11-06   7:31:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: A Pole (#8)

No, there are religious families that do not base raising children on punishment and fear. You can show children how to be kind to others, the only "punishment" is a disapproval, showing disappointment and in the worse cases temporary withdrawal of some allowance or privilege. Corporal punishment is the last resort, hopefully never used and only when a child is capable to understand that he deserves it and parent is motivated by a concern, not by an anger.

Politeness is taught by example, in a house where parents never swear and are not being rude, a rude behavior is brought from outside and is being met with a distaste.

I think you're merely restating my own earlier points. You seem to imfer that I was endorsing corporal punishment when I didn't even mention it at all.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-11-06   8:06:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: TooConservative (#9) (Edited)

I think you're merely restating my own earlier points. You seem to imfer that I was endorsing corporal punishment when I didn't even mention it at all.

I am glad we agree. I mentioned corporal punishment to make my post more comprehensive.

A Pole  posted on  2015-11-06   8:18:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Willie Green (#0)

Religion makes kids judgemental and mean-spirited.

The article and your comments are wrong Willie. How's that for judgmental?

I would like to see the breakdown of demographics. The important one of those who actually "practice" their faith or just identify with a religion.

Christians on all "4 corners" of the are very giving to strangers in need. They have built hospitals, run refugee centers and are the first to show up at natural disasters.

"Seek ye the Lord while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near"---Isaiah 55:6

redleghunter  posted on  2015-11-06   10:54:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Willie Green, TooConservative, tomder55, CZ82, liberator, GarySpFc, BobCeleste (#0)

Here, we assessed altruism and third-party evaluation of scenarios depicting interpersonal harm in 1,170 children aged between 5 and 12 years in six countries (Canada, China, Jordan, Turkey, USA, and South Africa), the religiousness of their household, and parent-reported child empathy and sensitivity to justice. Across all countries, parents in religious households reported that their children expressed more empathy and sensitivity for justice in everyday life than non-religious parents. However, religiousness was inversely predictive of children’s altruism and positively correlated with their punitive tendencies. Together these results reveal the similarity across countries in how religion negatively influences children’s altruism, challenging the view that religiosity facilitates prosocial behavior.

Yikes Willie did you go to the report? 1,000 or so kids in 6 countries, one of which is communist and two a deeply Muslim.

The source document does not discuss "harshness" in detail. Is it harshness to abortion, homosexuality, transgenders?

Where are the details of the questions asked to the kids or the scenario the child was put in to gain the data?

Where are the details Willie? I went to all the links. There are no details just assertions.

It is also failure on liberal atheists part on trying to understand "religion.' They don't understand born of the Spirit. No matter how much a child or adult is "fed" of religious instruction, if they are not born of God's Spirit, they will not have the heart of Christ and follow His Will.

"Seek ye the Lord while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near"---Isaiah 55:6

redleghunter  posted on  2015-11-06   11:09:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Don (#1)

Correct. What exactly were the questions? The links don't say. Maybe "religious" kids were asked if it was ok for boys to use the girls bathrooms if they identified as gender neutral.

I went to all the links. No detailed data. Just assertions. One of six nations was communist, two of the 5 remaining were Muslim. I don't know what religion is prevalent in South Africa. Canada is a whirlpool of secular leftist indoctrination.

"Seek ye the Lord while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near"---Isaiah 55:6

redleghunter  posted on  2015-11-06   11:15:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: A Pole (#4)

There are two types of religiosity.

One is to be able to recognize sin in others and dare to speak about it.

Second is to be able to recognize sins in oneself, and dare to confess them and to mourn over them.

In the New Testament the healthy first type are called pharisees who do not need physician, the second sick ones were the tax collectors, harlots, thieves and others who came to Christ to be cured.

When the second type converts to the path of righteousness they should guard themselves from the pride through meekness, mercy, humility and memory of their own sins. If they fail to do that they will fall down from the divine ladder of ascent:

Well said. God Bless.

"Seek ye the Lord while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near"---Isaiah 55:6

redleghunter  posted on  2015-11-06   11:19:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: TooConservative (#5)

Not to mention two countries from deep Islam and one communist. Image some group coming into China and asking to speak with Christians who are openly persecuted in that country.

"Seek ye the Lord while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near"---Isaiah 55:6

redleghunter  posted on  2015-11-06   11:21:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: CZ82 (#7)

Now you know they all have an inferiority complex, you should cut them a little slack... /s

Your kind and not so judgmental feelings are noted:)

"Seek ye the Lord while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near"---Isaiah 55:6

redleghunter  posted on  2015-11-06   11:23:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: A Pole (#8)

Again good comments. However, we are also taught as Christians what God's Holy standards are and to follow such in love and humility. The flip side is we are to not associate with those who brazenly reject God's standards. If a brother falls we are being compassionate to correct and reprove them hoping they will repent and be brought to full restoration in fellowship.

"Seek ye the Lord while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near"---Isaiah 55:6

redleghunter  posted on  2015-11-06   11:27:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Willie Green (#0)

This article is pure bunk.

for the past 20 years I have been preaching to militia members and their families, I spend a lot of time with Militia families.

I would put my time and experiences up against any other.

In my years I have found many things different between Christian children and no Christian children, Homes Schooled Children vs public indoctrination center trained children.

If I listed children buy average, I would list them as such.

Home schooled kids are by far the most polite, most informed and most obedient, the vast majority of them are Christian children, kids who have given their lives to Christ.

Homeschooled Christian kids are by far the most knowledgeable of current events and are the only ones who study the Constitutions and founding documents.

I could go on, but suffice it to say that this article is pure unadulterated bull dung.

BobCeleste  posted on  2015-11-06   11:56:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: redleghunter (#16)

Your kind and not so judgmental feelings are noted:)

SrNCO's aren't supposed to be judgmental, don't you remember?? :)

Vegetarians eat vegetables. Beware of humanitarians!

CZ82  posted on  2015-11-06   16:47:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: CZ82 (#19)

I was a Senior NCO. Do you wish to aim that question at me?

Psalm 37

Don  posted on  2015-11-06   17:10:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Don (#20)

I was a Senior NCO. Do you wish to aim that question at me?

Sure go ahead...

Vegetarians eat vegetables. Beware of humanitarians!

CZ82  posted on  2015-11-06   17:54:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: CZ82 (#19)

SrNCO's aren't supposed to be judgmental, don't you remember?? :)

Heh. You are lucky all my stitches have dissolved:)

I would not have lasted long as an officer if it was not for good ol gruff judgmental NCOs. God Bless you all.

They were the ones who knew the troops trying to snowball the junior officers.

"Seek ye the Lord while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near"---Isaiah 55:6

redleghunter  posted on  2015-11-06   17:58:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: BobCeleste (#18)

I could go on, but suffice it to say that this article is pure unadulterated bull dung.

Yep.

"Seek ye the Lord while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near"---Isaiah 55:6

redleghunter  posted on  2015-11-06   17:59:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: redleghunter (#22)

Heh. You are lucky all my stitches have dissolved:)

Sorry, I have a short memory sometimes... It's good to see you still have a sense of humor, can't let things get you down... :)

You need to get out of the house and go watch a Stars game they are playing well this year, have an exciting team. I need to make a road trip to see the Stars play in the American Airlines Center I left about a year before it opened. I remember watching the Stars 2 cup runs and Reunion was a rocking place during those days... I think the Stars might be able to make a cup run this year if they can get their defense straightened out, they definitely have the offensive firepower...

Vegetarians eat vegetables. Beware of humanitarians!

CZ82  posted on  2015-11-06   18:18:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: CZ82 (#21)

Thank you. Everyone is judgmental in one way or another. Think about it and you should agree.

Senior NCOs, indeed all military personnel, are judgmental of the actions of other personnel, subordinates, peers, and superiors. Supervisors write performance reports and mete out disciplinary actions. When someone doesn't hold up his end, he is judged by others. How is that Senior NCOs can afford to not be judgmental and still do his job?

Psalm 37

Don  posted on  2015-11-06   22:09:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Don (#25)

How is that Senior NCOs can afford to not be judgmental and still do his job?

Well, military boot camp is not supposed to be exactly like a family picnic and drill sergeant like a loving mommy. Neither a good mommy is not expected to treat her children like in a boot camp or train to become killing machines.

A Pole  posted on  2015-11-07   3:07:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: A Pole (#26)

People have only one mommy and mommy normally doesn't wear Sr. NCO stripes.

Psalm 37

Don  posted on  2015-11-07   7:56:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: redleghunter (#22)

Also the ones that saved many a 2nd Lt and a few 1st Lt from being fragged in Nam.

BobCeleste  posted on  2015-11-07   8:47:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Willie Green (#0)

How did the testers arrive at their conclusions? Obviously, this article is another hit piece by the God-haters.

"A silly idea is current that good people do not know what temptation means. This is an obvious lie. Only those who try to resist temptation know how strong it is... A man who gives in to temptation after five minutes simply does not know what it would have been like an hour later. That is why bad people, in one sense, know very little about badness. They have lived a sheltered life by always giving in.” ― C.S. Lewis, Mere Christianity

GarySpFC  posted on  2015-11-07   11:16:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: GarySpFC, CZ82, tomder55, liberator, TooConservative, Don, BobCeleste, Willie Green (#29)

How did the testers arrive at their conclusions? Obviously, this article is another hit piece by the God-haters.

Don't hold your breath Gary. Willie drops these specious "articles" on LF like a terrorist drops a back pack bomb on a crowed train and runs.

"Seek ye the Lord while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near"---Isaiah 55:6

redleghunter  posted on  2015-11-07   12:35:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Don (#25)

Senior NCOs, indeed all military personnel, are judgmental of the actions of other personnel, subordinates, peers, and superiors. Supervisors write performance reports and mete out disciplinary actions. When someone doesn't hold up his end, he is judged by others. How is that Senior NCOs can afford to not be judgmental and still do his job?

Yea but sometimes you come to realize there is more than just one way (the military way) to do things, which could be very narrow minded and shallow most of the time...

I always let my people experiment (within certain parameters) with finding better ways to do things, think outside the military box so to speak. If they could come up with a different way and "PROVE" that it was better then I would adopt it if I had the leeway to do so. If not then I would take it further up the chain for perusal/approval...

Vegetarians eat vegetables. Beware of humanitarians!

CZ82  posted on  2015-11-08   7:54:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: redleghunter, GarySpFC, tomder55, liberator, TooConservative, Don, BobCeleste, Willie Green (#30)

It's his entertainment he just sits back and laughs at some of the "overreactions" that occur...

BTA I do the same thing at times, kinda poke and prod somebody into dropping the mask and revealing what is really behind it, and sometimes it ain't pretty...

Vegetarians eat vegetables. Beware of humanitarians!

CZ82  posted on  2015-11-08   7:58:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: CZ82 (#31)

yeah, we had the suggestion box too. But until a suggestion is approved and adopted by military authorities there is still only one way. When adopted, things are still done the military way as the action, before and after, is the military way.

Psalm 37

Don  posted on  2015-11-08   21:47:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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