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Title: How Did President Bush leave Iraq
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Published: Oct 31, 2015
Author: How Bush Left Iraq
Post Date: 2015-10-31 09:30:26 by no gnu taxes
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Views: 2100
Comments: 22

With ISIS now running the whole region after the blunders of the Kenyan, it might be helpful to remember how Bush left Iraq:

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3/17/2009

In most ways, the news from Iraq couldn't be better. People there feel more secure, and are more committed to democracy, than ever. Is it possible that President Bush was right after all?

A poll of average Iraqis conducted by ABC News, the BBC and Japan's NHK shows significant progress on virtually all fronts. Yet, we've heard nary a peep about it from anyone.

Some 85% of respondents said their neighborhood security was good, vs. 62% a year ago and just 43% in August of 2007. And 52% said security had gotten better in the last year during the Bush-Petraeus surge, which was widely ridiculed at the time as an unnecessary escalation of the Iraq War.

Support for democracy jumped to 64%, a 21-percentage-point gain since 2007, according to a report on CNSNews.com. As for how Iraqis felt about the general state of affairs in Iraq, 58% called it very good or quite good, up significantly from 43% last year and 22% in 2007.

When asked what their concerns are today, Iraqis sound a lot like Americans: Jobs and prices are at the top of their list, not war, not security, not terrorism.

In short, it sounds like we not only won the war, but the peace as well. And for those who cast a skeptical eye on the idea that any Islamic country could ever be democratized, it turns out the former President Bush is winning that debate too.

It's become de rigueur to deride Bush's "failed" policies in Iraq. No one speaks well of them except, maybe, Iraqis.

But here are the facts, stark as they are: During his vicious 20-year reign, Saddam Hussein (remember him?) killed an estimated 5% of Iraq's population. That works out to about 5,000 people a month slaughtered by the regime.

You might disagree that Bush was right to depose this murderous thug. But in doing so, you would then have to defend the deaths of thousands of innocents.

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#1. To: no gnu taxes (#0)

How Did President Bush leave Iraq


The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Hondo68  posted on  2015-10-31   9:57:01 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: hondo68 (#1)

I remember that. It was so funny, yet very embarrassing for the nation.

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't

Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.

Stoner  posted on  2015-10-31   10:20:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: hondo68 (#1)

If only that was Obama or hillary! It would have been funny! Watching hilary get smacked up side the head or Obummer try to be cool afterwards!

Yes Bush should have never went into Iraq. He and his family will have to bear the cost of this political colossus failure. Well along with American soldiers.

Justified  posted on  2015-10-31   10:33:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: no gnu taxes (#0)

A poll of average Iraqis conducted by ABC News, the BBC and Japan's NHK shows significant progress on virtually all fronts.

The nation was completely destroyed by GWBush other than his coveted "most expensive embassy in the world" located in Baghdad.

GWBush was a complete failure to the Iraqi People and the People of the USA that are FORCED to pay for GWBush's failures.

buckeroo  posted on  2015-10-31   11:09:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: no gnu taxes (#0)

As for how Iraqis felt about the general state of affairs in Iraq, 58% called it very good or quite good, up significantly from 43% last year and 22% in 2007.

They'd better say that or they'll get their heads chopped off.

rlk  posted on  2015-10-31   11:23:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: no gnu taxes (#0)

How Did President Bush leave Iraq?

With his ass in a sling.

rlk  posted on  2015-10-31   13:04:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: rlk (#6)

As for how Iraqis felt about the general state of affairs in Iraq, 58% called it very good or quite good

Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president

no gnu taxes  posted on  2015-10-31   13:17:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: no gnu taxes (#7)

As for how Iraqis felt about the general state of affairs in Iraq, 58% called it very good or quite good

So you are a publick opinion POLL expert, are ya? What did the Iraqi's do with their 250,000 dead bodies that GWBush gave them? Celebrate?

buckeroo  posted on  2015-10-31   13:30:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: no gnu taxes (#7)

how Iraqis felt about the general state of affairs in Iraq


The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Hondo68  posted on  2015-10-31   13:32:47 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: buckeroo (#8)

250,000 dead bodies that GWBush gave them?

made up numbers

But since you are into numbers, what did they do with these bodies

But here are the facts, stark as they are: During his vicious 20-year reign, Saddam Hussein (remember him?) killed an estimated 5% of Iraq's population. That works out to about 5,000 people a month slaughtered by the regime.

Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president

no gnu taxes  posted on  2015-10-31   14:47:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: no gnu taxes (#10)

But here are the facts, stark as they are: During his vicious 20-year reign, Saddam Hussein (remember him?) killed an estimated 5% of Iraq's population. That works out to about 5,000 people a month slaughtered by the regime.

The problem is that they breed faster than that. What's really needed is a Sunni-Shia version of the 30 years war. The herd over these really needs some serious thinning. At the end of WW1 there were 250 million Mohammedans, now they number 1.6 billion. As much as I admire Saddam for killing so many of his fellow Mohammedans I must admit that his efforts fell far short of what is needed. His war with Iran did far better although it tragically ended far too soon.

Non auro, sed ferro, recuperando est patria

nativist nationalist  posted on  2015-10-31   15:08:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: no gnu taxes (#10)

As always, I was being kind to you: Take your pick from below.

Scientific surveys: Source/Estimated violent deaths/Time period

1) Iraq Family Health Survey 151,000 violent deaths March 2003 to June 2006

2) Lancet survey 601,027 violent deaths out of 654,965 excess deaths March 2003 to June 2006

3) Opinion Research Business survey 1,033,000 deaths as a result of the conflict March 2003 to August 2007

4) PLOS Medicine Survey Approximately 500,000 deaths in Iraq as direct or indirect result of the war. March 2003 to June, 2011

Body counts: Source/Documented deaths from violence/Time period

1) Associated Press 110,600 violent deaths March 2003 to April 2009

2) Iraq Body Count project 112,667–123,284 civilian deaths from violence. 174,000

civilian and combatant deaths March 2003 to March 2013

3) Classified Iraq War Logs 109,032 deaths including 66,081 civilian deaths. January 2004 to December 2009

buckeroo  posted on  2015-10-31   16:23:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Justified (#3)

RE: shoe throwing. If only that was Obama or hillary!

The perpetrator would have been immediately shot where he stood.

There is little difference between the D and R branches of the ruling party, that is true. But while one can muse about assassinating a Bush or otherwise causing physical harm to an R, doing likewise to a D brings immediate repercussions.

Heck - late night comedians CANNOT EVEN JOKE about the boy emperor.

As far as Bush vis-à-vis Iraq: We should never, ever have gone there. It was a fool's errand.

But we did.

So the only way it was ever going to be a success was if we stayed there (troops on the ground) indefinitely.

We did not - we vacated. And the chaos that has ensued was entirely predictable.

"Blessed is the nation whose God is the LORD . . . "

~Psalm 33:12a

Rufus T Firefly  posted on  2015-10-31   16:54:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Rufus T Firefly (#13)

There is little difference between the D and R branches of the ruling party, that is true. But while one can muse about assassinating a Bush or otherwise causing physical harm to an R, doing likewise to a D brings immediate repercussions.

You got to wonder if the dimwits have a chip on their shoulder because of JFK? Taboo for repugs to say we would like a dimwit removed by any means necessary but its okay for dimwits to say remove a repug by any means necessary is okay!

I knew obummer would be a dictator since he is a black jfk(young, skinny and able to speak even if he needs a teleprompter to do so) but without the smarts or even have 1% the knowledge of the economy that jfk had.

Justified  posted on  2015-10-31   17:31:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: buckeroo (#12)

There is anything from 100,000 to 1,0000,000 there.

Nobody really has a clue and is just making bogus guesses.

And given that killings were regularly happening before the invasion, how can you pin any killings on anything that Bush did?

Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president

no gnu taxes  posted on  2015-10-31   17:35:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: no gnu taxes (#15)

Well, I WILL give you a fuckin' clue ... your esteemed POTUS willingly went into Iraq while murdering innocent women & children to capture one man: Saddaim Hussein. GWBush destroyed Iraq, FOR NOTHING MORE than a suspicion about Weapons of Mass Destruction in the process and set up regional continuing conflicts.

You might say that GWBush is the founding member of ISIS. I believe GWBush is worst god damned POTUS that America has ever seen.

buckeroo  posted on  2015-10-31   17:50:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: buckeroo (#16)

POTUS willingly went into Iraq while murdering innocent women

really?

Provide their names.

Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president

no gnu taxes  posted on  2015-10-31   18:32:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: no gnu taxes (#17)

So many deaths intentionally murdered by GWBush, too little tyme; especially for a fuckedupped troll like you.

buckeroo  posted on  2015-10-31   18:43:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: no gnu taxes, Bush lied, people died (#17)

went into Iraq while murdering innocent women

Provide their names.

Killed by the Bush bros, Jeb! and W.

terri schiavo


Reconquista W. Bush, giving invaders the "all clear" signal.


The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Hondo68  posted on  2015-10-31   18:52:27 ET  (2 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: no gnu taxes (#10)

Good grief man - after all this time you still haven't gotten over your Bush man-crush?

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

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Deckard  posted on  2015-10-31   19:50:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Deckard, no gnu taxes (#20)

To: no gnu taxes

Good grief man - after all this time you still haven't gotten over your Bush man-crush?

The bastard loves GWBush's "Patriot Act" which set the stage for the USA becoming a fascist nation.

buckeroo  posted on  2015-10-31   20:42:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: no gnu taxes, redleghunter (#0)

'Former Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, for all his faults (some of which contributed to the rise of Islamic State), relinquished power peacefully. He didn’t give in to the self-fulfilling spiral of paranoia that infects so many Middle Eastern rulers, where you ruthlessly hold on to power in order to keep yourself from being killed by your political opponents. Flawed as Maliki was, he’s been nowhere near as bad as Saddam Hussein, or Bashar Assad, or Ayatollah Khamenei.

While Islamic State has rampaged north and west, the Iraqi parliament has investigated the fall of Mosul, pushed back against government corruption, and passed a budget. They’ve plodded along like a normal country, despite their abnormal circumstances. Again, we don’t want to repeat Obama’s mistake, and Iraq could fall apart. But so far, it hasn’t, and that’s reason for optimism.

The Islamic State is far from defeated, and Iraq has a long way to go before it’s secure. But, with dwindling resources and money – and given the increasingly obvious fact that its Islamist utopia is an utter sham – Islamic State might face a crisis of morale that rapidly collapses it. And that would give Iraq an accomplishment to build upon on its way to becoming (hopefully) the first solidly democratic Arabian government in the Middle East.'

http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/the-media-isnt-reporting-it-but-islamic- state-is-losing-its-hold-in-iraq/

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

tomder55  posted on  2015-11-02   12:37:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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