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Title: Breaking: Shocking Gun Confiscation Begins in New York!
Source: Conservative Daily
URL Source: http://conservative-daily.com/2015/ ... nfiscation-begins-in-new-york/
Published: Oct 30, 2015
Author: Joe Otto
Post Date: 2015-10-30 15:48:42 by Stoner
Keywords: None
Views: 12201
Comments: 54

Breaking: Shocking Gun Confiscation Begins in New York!

Fellow Conservative,

We’ve known this was coming. When New York State Legislators passed laws to allow municipalities to confiscate law-abiding citizens’ firearms, it was only a matter of time before they decided to exercise that power.

On October 22, 2015, the Suffolk County Police Department (SCPD) called a member of a motorcycle club and informed him that his pistol permits were under review because of his alleged membership in the Pagans MC. For those of you who don’t know, the Pagans Motorcycle Club is what the FBI calls an “outlaw” motorcycle club.

The FBI alleges that the club is involved in organized crime.

When the SCPD found out that one of its county’s legal gun owners was a member in this club, they ordered him to come in for an “interview” and to bring his 10 legally owned and registered handguns with him.

But they had no intention of interviewing him. When he arrived, the Police ordered him to surrender his firearms and pistol permit… all because he is a member of a group that the police don’t like.

Now to be clear, this club member (who prefers to remain nameless) has a squeaky clean record. He has never been convicted of a crime. His motorcycle club membership not withstanding, he has done nothing to get put on the police department’s radar.

But because of his association with a motorcycle club, something that is a First Amendment right, the police just confiscated his guns. Unbelievable…

If this can happen somewhere in America, it can happen anywhere in America!

You could be next. Tell Congress to put a stop to this practice and outlaw these illegal confiscations once and for all!

Whatever the motorcycle club has been accused of is a separate issue. If police are allowed to just confiscate guns from people because they don’t like the groups they’ve joined, it’s easy to see how that can get completely out of control.

A lot of liberals are pushing for the National Rifle Association to be labeled as a “terror group.” No, that’s not a joke. That was actually a headline in the New York Daily News earlier this month. Can you imagine if a police department confiscated your guns because they didn’t like your NRA membership? Or they didn’t like the gun club you belonged to?

This is where it is heading. You no longer need to be convicted of a crime to have your guns taken away. You no longer need to be admitted to a mental hospital. In Obama’s America, hearsay is enough.

Don’t we have rights anymore? Don’t we have the Bill of Rights?

Whatever happened to freedom of speech?

This man had his guns away not because he committed a crime, or was even suspected of committing a crime. His guns were confiscated because police didn’t like the motorcycle club he belonged to.

If we let this slide then we’re all in danger!

Do you see? This is the left’s end-game. Tell Congress to enforce the 2nd Amendment nationwide and put a stop to these unconstitutional confiscations!

Time and time again, we have warned that registration always leads to confiscation. Here is proof of that. Without the registry, police would never have been able to target this man.

Here is someone who jumped through all the hoops. He underwent a background check, bought his pistols legally, and then registered them with the state. He had no criminal record.

I want you to think about all the clubs and organizations you belong to. Now imagine that your local police department started violating your constitutional rights because they didn’t like the club/organization. Picture them confiscating your guns, stopping you from voting, or arresting you for speaking your mind at a town hall meeting all because of your clubs and associations.

When we allow injustice to slide against one of us, then it puts all of us at risk!

When Obama met with police chiefs from across the country earlier this week, he pushed for the very universal registration scheme that made this injustice possible.

At the time of the founding, only 3% of American colonists took up arms to fight against British tyranny. The other 97% either resisted passively, were too afraid to do anything, or remained loyal to the crown.

I am calling on you to be part of that 3% now. Get loud and DEMAND that Congress put a stop to these gun confiscations once and for all!

I cannot stress enough; you MUST FaxBlast your Congressman and Senators demanding that this injustice be stopped!

Sincerely,

Joe Otto

Conservative Daily


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#2. To: Stoner (#0)

"Get loud and DEMAND that Congress put a stop to these gun confiscations once and for all!"

They can't help. This is a STATE law, not a federal one.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-10-30   16:33:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: misterwhite (#2)

This is a STATE law, not a federal one.

That such a division even exists infuriates them.

Roscoe  posted on  2015-10-30   21:13:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Roscoe, misterwhite, - constitutional scoflaws (#11)

misterwhite (#2) -- They (congress) can't help.

This is a STATE law, not a federal one.

That such a division even exists infuriates them (gun rights patriots). -- Roscoe

Congress could help by holding hearings to find out exactly WHY these State legislators/judges think they can ignore our Constitutions BOR's.

Maybe that would shut up gun grabbers like roscoe/misterwhite. - But I doubt it.

tpaine  posted on  2015-10-30   21:35:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: tpaine, misterwhite (#13)

Congress could help by holding hearings to find out exactly WHY these State legislators/judges think they can ignore our Constitutions BOR's.

Maybe that would shut up gun grabbers like roscoe/misterwhite. - But I doubt it.

Congress cannot legislatively overrule the Courts on constitutional interpretation. The State law has been upheld as constitutional and SCOTUS denied cert.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-10-30   23:11:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: nolu chan (#18) (Edited)

--- "In all cases affecting ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls, and those in which a state shall be party, the Supreme Court shall have original jurisdiction. In all the other cases before mentioned, the Supreme Court shall have appellate jurisdiction, both as to law and fact, with such exceptions, and under such regulations as the Congress shall make."

The above is quoted from Art III, Sec 2, paragraph 2..

Congress could help by holding hearings to find out exactly WHY these State legislators/judges think they can ignore our Constitutions BOR's.

Maybe that would shut up gun grabbers like Nolu Chan, - roscoe/misterwhite. - But I doubt it.

Congress cannot legislatively overrule the Courts on constitutional interpretation.
As I said above, they could hold hearings... And, as quoted, Congress has the power to regulate the appellate powers of SCOTUS...
The State law has been upheld as constitutional and SCOTUS denied cert.

So what? SCOTUS has reversed itself many times on such matters, and in any case, scotus opinions are just OPINIONS, not law, and can be/will be challenged.

tpaine  posted on  2015-10-31   13:39:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: tpaine (#31)

Congress could help by holding hearings to find out exactly WHY these State legislators/judges think they can ignore our Constitutions BOR's.

Maybe that would shut up gun grabbers like Nolu Chan, - roscoe/misterwhite. - But I doubt it.

I did not grab anyone's gun, and I did not pass the NY state laws, and I did not sit at any of the courts that have upheld the NY state law for more than a century. I did not even express personal agreement with the law, but it has stood for over a century, and I do not make believe it is not there.

The Federal congress does not sit in review of State legislation. If such a question were to be posed, the State authorities could just cite the court decisions to demonstrate the basis of the question is without legal merit. They must comply with the Federal courts.

Would you like to have them try to call the Federal judges before Congress? I am sure they will politely tell the Legislature to go commit a physically impossible act.

Congress cannot legislatively overrule the Courts on constitutional interpretation.

As I said above, they could hold hearings... And, as quoted, Congress has the power to regulate the appellate powers of SCOTUS...

Congress cannot retroactively do anything about constitutional interpretations already rendered. SCOTUS has already declined to hear a case directly on point. I should think you would want SCOTUS to take a challenge case and overrule the 2nd Circuit.

The State law has been upheld as constitutional and SCOTUS denied cert.

So what? SCOTUS has reversed itself many times on such matters, and in any case, scotus opinions are just OPINIONS, not law, and can be/will be challenged.

A denied a cert is final and not subject to reversal. The case is closed. But they could take a new case challenging the law (if you don't remove their jurisdiction). This law has only withstood challenge for a little over a century, and this second century of litigation may do better.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-11-01   1:04:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: nolu chan (#38)

"The Federal congress does not sit in review of State legislation."

Numbnuts wants each State to make these decisions UNLESS he doesn't like their decision. Then he wants the federal government to step in and take over ... UNLESS he doesn't like their decision. Then he wants each State to make the decision unless ...

You'll note that nowhere does the U.S. Constitution play a role.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-11-01   8:34:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: misterwhite, roscoe, nolu chan, Y'ALL (#46)

nolu --- I documented the effective law. I did not offer a personal opinion about.

You've been defending the 'effective law,' since your first post.

misterwhite --- (Tpaine) wants each State to make these decisions UNLESS he doesn't like their decision. Then he wants the federal government to step in and take over ... UNLESS he doesn't like their decision. Then he wants each State to make the decision unless ... ----- You'll note that nowhere does the U.S. Constitution play a role.

Stupid comment, seeing that our Constitution works in exactly this way. -- States have the power to write criminal law regarding the keeping and bearing of arms,--- as long as these laws do NOT infringe on our individual right to do so.

Infringements by Fed, State or local govts are to be dealt with by the federal court system, and if the infringements persist, can be dealt with by the people themselves.

Why you three are unable to understand our constitutional system is an question best left to mental health professionals.

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