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Title: Should We Fight for the Spratlys?
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Published: Oct 30, 2015
Author: Pat Buchanan
Post Date: 2015-10-30 11:45:46 by nativist nationalist
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Trailed by two Chinese warships, the guided-missile destroyer USS Lassen sailed inside the 12-nautical-mile limit of Subi Reef, a man-made island China claims as her national territory. Beijing protested. Says China: Subi Reef and the Spratly Island chain, in a South China Sea that carries half of the world’s seaborne trade, are as much ours as the Aleutians are yours. Beijing’s claim to the Spratlys is being contested by Vietnam, Malaysia, Brunei, the Philippines and Taiwan. While Hanoi and Manila have occupied islets and built structures to back their claims, the Chinese have been more aggressive. They have occupied rocks and reefs with troops, dredged and expanded them into artificial islands, fortified them, put up radars and are building air strips and harbors. What the Chinese are about is easy to understand. Having feasted and grown fat on trade surpluses with the United States, the Chinese are translating their economic strength into military power and a new strategic assertiveness. They want to dominate East Asia and all the seas around it. We have been told our warships are unwelcome in the Yellow Sea and the Taiwan Strait. Beijing also claims the Senkakus that Japan occupies, which are covered by our mutual security treaty. And not only is the South China Sea one of the world’s crucial waterways, the fish within can feed nations and the floor below contains vast deposits of oil and gas. Who owns the islands in the South China Sea owns the sea. Moreover, our world has changed since Eisenhower threatened to use nuclear weapons to defend Taiwan and the offshore islands of Quemoy and Matsu—and since Bill Clinton sent two U.S. carrier battle groups through the Taiwan Strait. Now we send a lone destroyer inside the 12-mile limit of a reef that, until recently, was under water at high tide. What China is doing is easily understandable. She is emulating the United States as we emerged to become an imperial power. After we drove Spain out of Cuba in 1898, we annexed Puerto Rico and the Hawaiian Islands, where America settlers had deposed the queen, took Wake and Guam, and annexed the Philippines. The subjugation of Filipino resistance required a three-year war and thousands of dead Marines. And the reaction of President McKinley when he heard our Asian squadron had seized the islands: “When we received the cable from Admiral Dewey telling of the taking of the Philippines I looked up their location on the globe. I could not have told where those darned islands were within 2,000 miles.” In 1944, General MacArthur, whose father had crushed the Filipino resistance, retook the islands from the Japanese who had occupied them after Pearl Harbor. At the end of the Cold War, however, Manila ordered the United States to get out of Clark Air Force Base and Subic Bay naval base. We did as told. Now our Filipino friends want us back to confront China for them, as do the Vietnamese Communists in Hanoi. Before we get ourselves into the middle of their dispute, before we find ourselves in an air war or naval clash with China, we ought to ask ourselves a few questions. First, why is this our quarrel? We have no claim to any of the Spratly or Paracel Islands in the South China Sea. Yet, each of the claimants—Beijing, Taipei, Manila, Hanoi—seems to have maps going back decades and even centuries to support those claims. Besides freedom of the seas, what is our vital interest here? If these islands are Chinese territory, Beijing has the same right to build air and naval bases on them as we do in the Aleutians, Hawaii, Wake and Guam. What do we hope to accomplish by sailing U.S. warships into what China claims to be her territorial waters? While the ships of the U.S. Seventh Fleet are superior to those of the Chinese navy, China has more submarines, destroyers, frigates and missile boats, plus a vast inventory of ground-based missiles that can target warships at great distances. In an increasingly nationalist China, Xi Jinping could not survive a climbdown of China’s claims, or dismantlement of what Beijing has built in the South China Sea. President Xi no more appears to be a man to back down than does President Putin. Continued U.S. overflights or naval intrusion into the territorial waters of Chinese-claimed islands are certain to result in a violent clash, as happened near Hainan Island in 2001. Where would we go from there? China today is in trouble. She is feared and distrusted by her neighbors; her economy has lost its dynamism; and the Communist Party is riven by purges and rampant corruption. If we believe this will be the Second American Century, that time is on our side, that Chinese communism is a dead faith, we ought to avoid a clash and show our opposition to Beijing’s excesses, if need be, by imposing tariffs on all goods made in China. China’s oligarchs will understand that message. 
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#1. To: nativist nationalist (#0)
HELL NO! We should be READY to fight for free travel in the seas,though. Pat is wrong,though. Communism isn't failing in China. It has been dead for some long few people there even remember it. The Chinese have been fascists for a couple of decades now. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
200,000 Filipinos dead are not worth mention of course. They are little brown people.
Agreed, but there is such a thing as strategy. Flanking maneuvers are far superior to frontal assaults, and Pat's suggested asymmetric response would offer a far better strategy: ...we ought to avoid a clash and show our opposition to Beijing’s excesses, if need be, by imposing tariffs on all goods made in China. Non auro, sed ferro, recuperando est patria
He wrote about that in "A Republic, Not an Empire." Taking the Philippines and Puerto Rico was tasting the forbidden fruit to a republic. The Spanish American War was a disaster for the United States, but it is history, and should be learned from. Pat's primary concern is for the well being of the United States, a sentiment that is nearly non-existent among America's ruling class. I know of no other contemporary writer who so ably applies the lessons of history. The commitments assumed in 1899 came due in 1941, with disastrous results. My concern is to avoid repeating that history, although America's ruling class is determined to do so. They are even deploying a new class of forward deployed warship, the LCS, which has the firepower of a patrol boat, on the displacement of a frigate, for the cost of a destroyer. All the have a new version of the old Asiatic Fleet that was annihilated in 1941/42. Non auro, sed ferro, recuperando est patria
That has been our fight since the founders administrations . $ Billions in commerce pass through the sea lanes between the Strait of Malacca and the Pacific Ocean ,and all of it passes by these artificial islands the Chinese are constructing in other nation's sovereign waters . When Libya claimed the Gulf of Sidra as their national lake we sailed FON operations there too. We are not doing that to provoke war but we should not back down because of the threat . Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Muslims need to be rescued from killing each killing each other. Sounds like a job for the Polish navy. Or perhaps Putin can step up to make sure each Yemeni gets his daily pint of milk. Non auro, sed ferro, recuperando est patria
Milk? Meh, I can get a goat. What's Pootie's plan for delivering toilet paper with better efficiency than his Soviet predecessors?
Why? What does Pat think the Chicoms are gonna do? Charge a toll for all the ships that pass through? Let the Chicoms have their dinky little artificial islands... And if the Chicom's want to invade Korea or Japan or the Phillipines or Indonesia or whereever... just let 'em have those places too... they're more trouble than they's worth.
It scares me to think that somebody somewhere,most likely eastern Europe,thinks you are a learned man and a deep thinker. The reality is you are more of a junk 50 year old car with a 40 dollar paint job over the rust,and chrome paint over the rusty chrome bumpers. The vast majority of the 200,000 dead Filipinos,IF that number is even accurate,where killed by the Filipino insurgents the US Marines were there to put down. THAT is WHY they were there. The insurgents were the Moro's,and they were and are Muslims. The vast majority of the Filipino population were/are Catholics,and the Moros,like all "good Muslims" decided that "Gawd wanted them to kill all non-Muslims". Enter the USMC,and the end of the Moro uprising. IMHO,the straw that broke the Muslim back was when the Marines started pouring pig blood over the mass graves of the Moro's they killed in combat. An excellent strategy to use when fighting a Muslim enemy,and one we need to be using today. BTW,it was the Moro Uprising in the Philippines that led the US Military to abandon the revolvers and the 38 Special cartridge they had been using in favor of the 45 ACP cartridge. The Moro were attacking in mass while drugged to be fearless,and this drugged state made it hard to stop them when shot with a 38. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
How is that urgent to anyone but those involved? Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Not really. The Philippines were nothing more than a side show. WW-2 was the result of two competing branches of socialism fighting over which would dominate the world. You had the Soviets representing the communist branch,and the Nazi's representing the more adult fascist branch. In between we had a commie-loving bastard of a president and his ugly-ass cousin wife who was to the left of him,more than happy to allow the Soviets to expand,including into Asia. Which was why his policies were to weaken Japan. He didn't really care about Nazism until Hitler invaded the USSR,and after that it was Game ON!",and every move he made was to draw the US into the war in order to save his "Uncle Joe" and "worldwide socialism". Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
The insurgents were the Moro's,and they were and are Muslims. The vast majority of the Filipino population were/are Catholics,and the Moros,like all "good Muslims" decided that "Gawd wanted them to kill all non-Muslims". Enter the USMC,and the end of the Moro uprising. IMHO,the straw that broke the Muslim back was when the Marines started pouring pig blood over the mass graves of the Moro's they killed in combat. An excellent strategy to use when fighting a Muslim enemy,and one we need to be using today. BTW,it was the Moro Uprising in the Philippines that led the US Military to abandon the revolvers and the 38 Special cartridge they had been using in favor of the 45 ACP cartridge. The Moro were attacking in mass while drugged to be fearless,and this drugged state made it hard to stop them when shot with a 38. Beat me to the actual history Pete. Thanks. "For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly."---Romans 5:6
PLEASE tell me you aren't really that stupid,and this is just a role you are playing on the internet. Economic warfare is war by non-military means,and that is what all the trouble in the Spratley Islands are all about. Do you REALLY think anybody,even in Asia,would give a rabid rats ass about them if they didn't have immense oil and natural gas fields beneath them? And despite the fact that the Clinton,Bush and Obomber Administrations have been busy sucking the Chinese leaders off,a wealthy China may be the greatest threat the world has ever experienced. The FACT is that from the perspective of what passes for a "Free World" these days,communism in China was the best thing that ever happened to the rest of us because it kept them poor and primitive. BTW,none of which means the US should immediately leap to the military aid of any other country in Asia unless we have signed a treaty to do so. Right or wrong,if we have signed a treaty that says we come to their aid using military and other means if they are attacked,we have to go to their aid. Which is why we should be cautious about who we sign treaties with. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
I don't think the guys on the Bataan Death March considered it a "side show." They paid a heavy price for the commitments assumed in 1899, and the insolvent foreign policy that resulted. Non auro, sed ferro, recuperando est patria
You said: "We should be READY to fight for free travel in the seas" I thought you meant "free travel" for others too. My apologies. But then is China preventing free travel outside of 12 miles zone around those island rocks? My impression is that Chinese are competing and splitting economic zones between them and Vietnamese and Filipinos, etc ... (others are also grabbing some rocks)
Yes, we Polacks and other East European white trash are an inferior dumb sort, like the little brown people in the Philippines. We are not deep exceptional thinkers like you. And we drive old rusty cars as it is fitting for us.
Moro, in the Philipine language means muslim.
I don't think the guys on the Bataan Death March considered it a "side show." I'm sorry. I thought we were discussing politics on a geopolitical level,not the viewpoint of a few individual pawns that suffered from bad decisions. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
No problem. My prime concern is for America,and I don't see America as the "World Daddy" that has to fight for the rights of people who won't fight for themselves. But then is China preventing free travel outside of 12 miles zone around those island rocks? They are trying to do just that. The Spratley's are a prime motivation behind China building up their Navy,by buying carriers and subs from the Russians. My impression is that Chinese are competing and splitting economic zones between them and Vietnamese and Filipinos, etc ... (others are also grabbing some rocks) It is not the Chinese nature to split anything with anyone. SEATO is what has kept them from steamrolling over the VN,the Filipinos,and others. I'm not sure anybody really has a valid claim because before oil and natural gas was discovered there and they built the islands there was nothing to claim so nobody claimed it. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
BTW,it was the Moro Uprising in the Philippines that led the US Military to abandon the revolvers and the 38 Special cartridge they had been using in favor of the 45 ACP cartridge. The Moro were attacking in mass while drugged to be fearless,and this drugged state made it hard to stop them when shot with a 38. Very astute presentation of history Pete. When I was at Ft Belvoir, I found a report in the library, written by a Capt & a senior NCO, recounting their experience with the Moro's in the Philippines. It was quite telling. I am sure the Ordnance Board took it, and other reports under consideration when they set out the specifications for the new pistol that they desired, the infamous 1911. I wish I had acquired a copy to bring home. And you are correct, when dealing the muzzies today, we should adopt some of the methods they used back then. Quite effective. Of course, Oblabula probably would not like it, but who cares. Si vis pacem, para bellum Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.
Not me. BTW,has anybody ever seen him eating a pork chop,or a sausage biscuit? Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Not that I am aware of. I wonder what his muslim buddies will do when they discover he is queer? Si vis pacem, para bellum Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.
Dobre piwo.
Offer to share little boys with him. And young male goats. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Quit bragging. Nobody believes you own a car. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Well, in numbers of cars per population Poland is number 19 They have less than USA but they have more extensive public transportation, it would be better if they used the later more and did ride more on bicycles. Cars per 1000: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_vehicles_per_capita Street in Warsaw:
Beef or Pork??? Vegetarians eat vegetables. Beware of humanitarians!
Looks like beef. A guy at work said he noticed Obolo did not wear his wedding ring during Ramadan. Apparently it is a time not to wear jewelry. Probably because jewelry starts with J-E-W. "For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly."---Romans 5:6
1 San Marino 1,263 2010[1] 2 Monaco 842 2011[1] 3 Liechtenstein 826 2011[1] 4 United States 809 2011[1][2] 5 Iceland 747 2011[1] 6 Luxembourg 741 2011[1] 7 Australia 731 2015[3] 8 Malta 709 2011[1] 9 New Zealand 708 2011[1] 10 Italy 682 2011[1] 13 Canada 607 2009[1] 14 Spain 593 2011[1] 15 Norway 591 2011[1] 16 Germany 588 2011[1] 17 Japan 588 2010[1] 18 Austria 585 2011[1] 19 Poland 580 2011[1] 20 France 578 2012[4] 21 Switzerland 573 2011[1] 22 Lithuania 560 2010[1] 23 Belgium 559 2010[1] 24 Finland 551 2011[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_vehicles_per_capita Yes we have loads of cars here per capita. That's because most of us are actually going to work. Public transportation is great inside cities. Problem in the US is not many people actually live in big cities. "For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly."---Romans 5:6
But was he wearing his 7 day schitters??? LOL... :) Vegetarians eat vegetables. Beware of humanitarians!
Front view... Looks like cochon, red beans and rice with some collard greens to me... From the looks of the picture he was close to Fort Polk... Vegetarians eat vegetables. Beware of humanitarians!
Speaking of red beans and rice I haven't made any in quite sometime need to make some since cooler weather is here... Already have a pork shoulder thawed out to make some Chile Colorado so need to save some of it to make some Tasso for the red beans and rice. I make my own Tasso that way I can control the sweet, heat and smokiness to my liking... Vegetarians eat vegetables. Beware of humanitarians!
Isn't that a pork product? Si vis pacem, para bellum Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.
The debacle in the Philippines was the worst defeat ever inflicted on the United States, and Cassandras like Homer Lea were ignored when they pointed out the danger. Keeping a large portion of our military force forward deployed where we had no hope of reinforcement or evacuation was a geopolitical error. The ruling class repeats this error today, no lessons were learned. The resourced devoted to the Asiatic Fleet would have produced scores of fleet submarines. Couple that with actually testing torpedoes and rectifying the defects in peacetime would have had a huge impact in 1942. It was fortunate that the Doolittle raid goaded Japan into expanding her defensive perimeter, overstretching her forces and tying up merchant shipping that our submarines were were not yet ready to sink in large enough numbers. Non auro, sed ferro, recuperando est patria
At the present time I don't think we have the competence, determination, or capacity to fight anybody for anything. We've become a nation full of quibbling, milling, bungling, soft, pussys.
You still don't get it. King Franklin NEEDED the attacks in the Pacific in order to get America involved in the European War so he could save his beloved communist idol Stalin from a German hangrope. We were reading the Japanese Naval codes,and KNEW DAYS IN ADVANCE THAT PEARL HARBOR WAS GOING TO BE ATTACKED,AND WHEN. The same thing with the Philippines. The Army Air Force in the Philipines was even ordered to line their bombers and other aircraft up in a row on the airstrips so the Japanese would have a easier time destroying them all. People today tend to forget (or not know) how Anti-European War the typical America was in the 30's. They still remembered America's last "Excellent Adventure there in 1917,and weren't having it any more Roosevelt NEEDED a sneak attack by the Japanese that killed a lot of American servicemen in order to be able to declare war on Germany. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
JN-25 was not broken at that time, they were careful about using it until the war began. The ciphers we were reading was the purple code, used by the Japanese Foreign Office. That would carry naval attache traffic as well as diplomatic messages. Reading the purple traffic paid off later on when a Japanese diplomat was given a thorough tour of the Atlantic Wall defenses, and sent home a very detailed report. FDR did want to bait Japan into war, but he had planned on the blow being struck in the Philippines, which was where we were most vulnerable. As for having his war with Germany, it could have backfired if Hitler not gone to war against the US. FDR would have been in trouble had he diverted effort from the war against Japan to Lend/Lease for Churchill and Stalin. Non auro, sed ferro, recuperando est patria
The present system would weed out guys like Patton and promote guys like Fredendall. Non auro, sed ferro, recuperando est patria
Cochon translated means "pig or piglet"... I picked it up from the Cajuns when I visited there they use the term... I have one of Donald Links recipe books and the term is used by him and he owns/runs restaurants named "Cochon" and "Butcher" down in New Orleans... http://www.donaldlink.com/ I haven't yet tried Donald's recipe for Red Beans and Rice yet but will probably do so when colder weather hits and I'm slower at work. The recipe I currently use/modified comes from a website called "NOLA Cuisine", have made quite a few of Danno's recipes and they have all been good... If you like Cajun food you can't go wrong using either Chefs recipes... http://www.nolacuisine.com/ (Here is the recipe page) http://www.nolacuisine.com/creole-cajun-recipe-page/ Vegetarians eat vegetables. Beware of humanitarians!
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#2. To: nativist nationalist (#0)
The subjugation of Filipino resistance required a three-year war and thousands of dead Marines.
#3. To: sneakypete (#1)
We should be READY to fight for free travel in the seas,though.
#4. To: sneakypete (#1)
(Edited)
We should be READY to fight for free travel in the seas,though
#5. To: A Pole (#2)
200,000 Filipinos dead are not worth mention of course. They are little brown people.
#6. To: sneakypete, nativist nationalist, redleghunter (#1)
(Edited)
We should be READY to fight for free travel in the seas,though.
#7. To: A Pole (#4)
Hmm, here is an urgent issue.
#8. To: nativist nationalist (#7)
Or perhaps Putin can step up to make sure each Yemeni gets his daily pint of milk.
#9. To: sneakypete (#1)
We should be READY to fight for free travel in the seas,though.
Let THEM worry about protecting and maintaining them against tsunamis and global warming's rising sea levels...
Let THEM pay for hunting down modern pirates & searching for missing planes
#10. To: A Pole (#2)
(Edited)
200,000 Filipinos dead are not worth mention of course. They are little brown people
#11. To: A Pole (#4)
Hmm, here is an urgent issue.
#12. To: nativist nationalist (#5)
The commitments assumed in 1899 came due in 1941, with disastrous results.
#13. To: sneakypete (#10)
The vast majority of the 200,000 dead Filipinos,IF that number is even accurate,where killed by the Filipino insurgents the US Marines were there to put down. THAT is WHY they were there.
#14. To: Willie Green (#9)
(Edited)
Why? What does Pat think the Chicoms are gonna do? Charge a toll for all the ships that pass through?
#15. To: sneakypete (#12)
The Philippines were nothing more than a side show.
#16. To: sneakypete (#11)
How is that urgent to anyone but those involved?
#17. To: sneakypete (#10)
It scares me to think that somebody somewhere,most likely eastern Europe,thinks you are a learned man and a deep thinker. The reality is you are more of a junk 50 year old car with a 40 dollar paint job over the rust,and chrome paint over the rusty chrome bumpers.
#18. To: sneakypete (#10)
#19. To: nativist nationalist (#15)
The Philippines were nothing more than a side show.
#20. To: A Pole (#16)
(Edited)
I thought you meant "free travel" for others too. My apologies.
#21. To: sneakypete (#10)
" Moro uprising. IMHO,the straw that broke the Muslim back was when the Marines started pouring pig blood over the mass graves of the Moro's they killed in combat. An excellent strategy to use when fighting a Muslim enemy,and one we need to be using today.
#22. To: Stoner (#21)
And you are correct, when dealing the muzzies today, we should adopt some of the methods they used back then. Quite effective. Of course, Oblabula probably would not like it, but who cares.
#23. To: sneakypete (#22)
(Edited)
" has anybody ever seen him eating a pork chop,or a sausage biscuit? "
#24. To: A Pole (#17)
Yes, we Polacks and other East European white trash are an inferior dumb sort, like the little brown people in the Philippines. We are not deep exceptional thinkers like you. And we drive old rusty cars as it is fitting for us.
#25. To: Stoner (#23)
I wonder what his muslim buddies will do when they discover he is queer?
#26. To: A Pole (#17)
(Edited)
Yes, we Polacks and other East European white trash are an inferior dumb sort, like the little brown people in the Philippines. We are not deep exceptional thinkers like you. And we drive old rusty cars as it is fitting for us.
#27. To: sneakypete (#26)
1 San Marino 1,263 2010[1]
2 Monaco 842 2011[1]
3 Liechtenstein 826 2011[1]
4 United States 809 2011[1][2]
5 Iceland 747 2011[1]
6 Luxembourg 741 2011[1]
7 Australia 731 2015[3]
8 Malta 709 2011[1]
9 New Zealand 708 2011[1]
10 Italy 682 2011[1]
13 Canada 607 2009[1]
14 Spain 593 2011[1]
15 Norway 591 2011[1]
16 Germany 588 2011[1]
17 Japan 588 2010[1]
18 Austria 585 2011[1]
19 Poland 580 2011[1]
20 France 578 2012[4]
21 Switzerland 573 2011[1]
22 Lithuania 560 2010[1]
23 Belgium 559 2010[1]
24 Finland 551 2011[1]
#28. To: sneakypete (#22)
BTW,has anybody ever seen him eating a pork chop,or a sausage biscuit?
#29. To: CZ82 (#28)
#30. To: A Pole, liberator, GarySpFc, CZ82, sneakypete (#27)
Well, in numbers of cars per population Poland is number 19 They have less than USA but they have more extensive public transportation, it would be better if they used the later more and did ride more on bicycles. Cars per 1000:
#31. To: redleghunter (#29)
A guy at work said he noticed Obolo did not wear his wedding ring during Ramadan.
#32. To: redleghunter (#29)
(Edited)
Looks like beef.
#33. To: redleghunter, Chuck_Wagon, A K A Stone (#29)
Front view... Looks like cochon, red beans and rice with some collard greens to me...
#34. To: CZ82 (#32)
cochon
#35. To: sneakypete (#19)
I thought we were discussing politics on a geopolitical level,not the viewpoint of a few individual pawns that suffered from bad decisions.
#36. To: nativist nationalist (#0)
(Edited)
Should We Fight for the Spratlys?
#37. To: nativist nationalist (#35)
The debacle in the Philippines was the worst defeat ever inflicted on the United States, and Cassandras like Homer Lea were ignored when they pointed out the danger. Keeping a large portion of our military force forward deployed where we had no hope of reinforcement or evacuation was a geopolitical error.
#38. To: sneakypete (#37)
We were reading the Japanese Naval codes,and KNEW DAYS IN ADVANCE THAT PEARL HARBOR WAS GOING TO BE ATTACKED,AND WHEN.
#39. To: rlk (#36)
At the present time I don't think we have the competence, determination, or capacity to fight anybody for anything.
#40. To: Stoner, Chuck_Wagon (#34)
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