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Title: Luntz Polling: Americans Are More Willing to Vote for Socialists
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URL Source: http://www.vdare.com/posts/luntz-po ... willing-to-vote-for-socialists
Published: Oct 19, 2015
Author: Brenda Walker
Post Date: 2015-10-19 14:38:07 by nativist nationalist
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Views: 2083
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It’s interesting to see that Americans have become more open to socialism — pollster Frank Luntz found that nearly half of citizens would consider voting for a socialist candidate. Luntz thinks that outspoken socialist Bernie Sanders has charmed the voters with his persuasiveness and that accounts for much of the change, along with convenient political redefinitions. However, there’s a longer history of leftism being treated kindly by the press. The crimes of the left have never been presented by the media as a major evil: Hitler gets the monster treatment, while his mass-murder equals Mao and Stalin get a pass. In addition, capitalism has not been working very well for average Americans in recent years. Real wages have remained stagnant since the seventies, and the middle class continues to shrink. In the minds of many people, capitalism means the global economy forced upon us by the elites, in the form of immigration and outsourcing over decades that has been entirely negative for average Americans: jobs that couldn’t be sent overseas have been given to inexpensive immigrant workers. Meanwhile, the rich have done very well under the globalization they promoted. Frank Luntz discussed his poll findings with Tucker Carlson on Fox News Saturday. CARLSON: Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders says he’s a democratic socialist. What do voters think? That used to be a really scary word — is it still? Pollster Frank Luntz spoke with a lot of people about this issue and he’s got the very latest from his research on it. Great to see you, Frank. LUNTZ: Thank you and what we found is that 47 percent of Americans now would consider — 46 percent — would consider voting for a socialist. It is no longer this demonized word and Bernie Sanders has completely changed it. You got the numbers there from June and I believe that those numbers have even increased. So we ask Democrats in our focus group we did a few days ago which is preferable socialism or capitalism and to my shock, more of them preferred socialism — that’s how much the Democratic Party’s changed. CARLSON: It just says a lot, I mean socialists, in the name of socialism, 80 million people were murdered last century. It wasn’t that long ago, we both remember, we’re not that old. LUNTZ: But that’s not the socialism they’re speaking of. So they’ll make the argument that having a police force is socialist because we’re paying for the common good and having a military is socialist, so they’re redefining what the terminology means, and they also believe that capitalism has failed because of this income inequality of CEOs making many millions of dollars and people still working at minimum wage. CARLSON: Well of course socialism has always been about arming the powerful; it’s always a species of fascism. It doesn’t surprise me there are more guns for the government LUNTZ: You keep going back 50 years, a hundred years — for them it’s what’s wrong with society today. And what i find interesting, and I’ve said to conservatives stop calling it crony capitalism because they don’t necessarily hear the word crony and it makes them think more negative of the word capitalism. The fact is to people capitalism is about profit and about Wall Street, rather than about opportunity and free markets, It’s far better to talk about economic freedom or financial freedom than it is capitalism. Tucker, our definitions are changing in politics because of this campaign. Donald Trump is having an impact, Bernie Sanders is having an impact and what we think in November of 2016 can be very different than October 2015 CARLSON: I completely agree with you. Let’s just give the party breakdown here. This is a question: would you be willing to vote for a socialist. Fifty-nine percent of Democrats say yes, 49 percent of independents — that’s really striking — and 26 percent of Republicans. What is going on? LUNTZ: What happened to Republicans? Yes it’s because capitalism in capitalism has been so demonized and so ripped apart by pundits in the media and even by candidates that socialism is no longer that horrible concept. CARLSON: A lot of this has gotta be a hangover from the 2008 financial crisis and its gotta be LUNTZ: And the fact that nobody went to jail which both Republicans and Democrats agree on that some of those people who perpetrated those financial disasters should have been held accountable and Tucker, without accountability, without personal responsibility, capitalism will continue to fall and socialism will continue to rise. It’s frightening but it’s true. CARLSON: It’s sort of interesting, but when Martha Stewart goes to jail for financial crimes but nobody goes after 2008 it does sort of raise questions. Poster Comment: Surprising for VDare, they seem to have left out that much of the increased receptivity to socialism is imported. The 1/10th of 1% are the ones importing this socialism, if it comes they need to reap what they've sown.
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#1. To: nativist nationalist (#0)
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lol... of course they are. Just look how many so called "conservatives" post here, and hate the rich, love drugs and remain silent towards social service type government growth.
I am one of those people to whom you refer. I do not claim to be a "conservative". Philosophically, I claim to be a Catholic. Catholics are very traditionalist on matters of family and personal sexual morality, and very communitarian on matters of economics. No party represents us well, so we split between the two parties. To be clear, Catholics do not hate the rich. We just see that the rich need to be prevented from accumulating excessive wealth and power to the detriment of everybody else. Catholics don't love drugs. We do love drug addicts, and even the drug peddlers, in the sense that we want them to break their addictions and stop peddling drugs. "Saving" people by destroying their lives through draconian laws is not the Catholic way. Social service type government growth is the sort of government growth that Catholics want to see, if the growth addresses a real need.
#4. To: Vicomte13, GrandIsland, Justified, A Pole (#3)
I am against full socialism as I am against full capitalism. Most of the system so called conservatives are defending is a mixed economic model. The economy works like an old fashioned corroborator - depending on the task the fuel air mixture is adjusted. Same with the economy - sometimes govt spending needs to be increased and safety nets applied and other times the govt should be hands off.
That's fuckin socialism or income redistribution, my holy buddy. Check yourself before you libtard wreck yourself.
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Just look how many so called "conservatives" post here, and hate the rich, love drugs and remain silent towards social service type government growth.
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#5. To: Vicomte13 (#3)
To be clear, Catholics do not hate the rich. We just see that the rich need to be prevented from accumulating excessive wealth
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